The election 2024 Thread

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I traditionally have a thread heading to the election, here we go.

Get out the popcorn for this one.

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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to formally announce next week he is running for president in 2024, NBC News reported Thursday, citing two sources familiar with the matter.

The governor's official entry into the Republican primary field will put him head-to-head with former President Donald Trump, the party's current frontrunner for the nomination. Trump has already spent months treating DeSantis as his primary campaign rival, thrashing him with torrents of criticism over his gubernatorial record, his political skills and his personality.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/18/desantis-plans-to-officially-announce-presidential-run-next-week.html

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toomuchbaloney said:

Who is using George Floyd to "invoke hate and division" ? That's quite a claim to levy in such a generic and generalized way.  My guess is that you can't discuss that statement in any sort of fact based fashion.  Who is doing the invoking?  Who is supposed to hate who?  To me it sounds like you are simply demonizing people who would advocate for equal treatment by police. 

You're not sure that racism was involved but you're also unsure that it wasn't.  I guess you're thinking that there was some other reason that the killers didn't value the life of that man.

 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/report-black-people-are-still-killed-police-higher-rate-groups-rcna17169

If only there weren't cases involving POC for Sharpton and Krump to be involved with, eh?  Maybe you would respect them more for their efforts if they were not financially successful. Is that the issue? 

It is for some reason important to you that other people were also wrong about those young men. Trump was a very loud voice for their deaths, not justice.  Even then he desired vengeance and now his mental illness is out of control.  

Sharpton used historical fact to remind people who Trump has always been. It is emotional to look at men who served time in prison for crimes they didn't commit and know that if Trump could have bought the justice HE wanted, those men would be dead and not attending a political convention.  It was a demonstration of Trump's really bad judgement. He is unfit to serve as POTUS. 

When Trump lies to his fans and tells them that democrats want abortions just before or even after birth, do you think that he's stirring up the emotions of his fans with lies? I don't recall you mentioning stoking emotion using lies as noteworthy but stoking emotion using facts is noteworthy for you.  Maybe you can explain.  

Since her post says that George Floyd is still emploiting, maybe she thinks he's still alive?  Gee, I thought we were just evolving to be less racist.  Does a snuff film ever lose it's potency? It shouldn't.

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subee said:

Since her post says that George Floyd is still emploiting, maybe she thinks he's still alive?  Gee, I thought we were just evolving to be less racist.  Does a snuff film ever lose it's potency? It shouldn't.

 

While Crusades didn't say who was doing the exploiting of George Floyd's death, doubtful she was talking about the Republicans.  But she isn't wrong.  The event was "exploited to death". 

Here in Florida there was some protests and some violence, especially in Miami after George Floyd's death and we entered into an era of "protestors are bad".  It wrangled through the courts until 2024 until I think parts were enacted.  Was this exploiting George Floyd when surely there have been protests in Florida before.

When Walz was announced, he quickly said "Harris-Walz: most left-wing ticket in American history,  Minnesota was ground zero for the BLM riots of 2020. Harris egged it on and Walz sat by and let Minneapolis burn.”  Was this exploiting George Floyd?

Republicans who have traditionally polled worse with black voters did "exploit" the situation to their political advantage.  They wanted to look good to black voters.

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/23/882481264/how-george-floyds-death-made-republicans-on-capitol-hill-shift-their-rhetoric

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"I've learned over the years, but particularly recently, that every Black man in America apparently feels threatened when they're stopped by the cops." Lyndsay Graham

 

 

 

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As protests and violence continue across the country, President Donald Trump and his team have sprung into action. But not so much to heal the nation or to announce much-needed reforms. Instead, Trump has moved to capitalize on the carnage for political gain.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/politics/trump-george-floyd-protests-political-gain/index.html

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Tweety said:

 

While Crusades didn't say who was doing the exploiting of George Floyd's death, doubtful she was talking about the Republicans.  But she isn't wrong.  The event was "exploited to death". 

Here in Florida there was some protests and some violence, especially in Miami after George Floyd's death and we entered into an era of "protestors are bad".  It wrangled through the courts until 2024 until I think parts were enacted.  Was this exploiting George Floyd when surely there have been protests in Florida before.

When Walz was announced, he quickly said "Harris-Walz: most left-wing ticket in American history,  Minnesota was ground zero for the BLM riots of 2020. Harris egged it on and Walz sat by and let Minneapolis burn.”  Was this exploiting George Floyd?

Republicans who have traditionally polled worse with black voters did "exploit" the situation to their political advantage.  They wanted to look good to black voters.

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/23/882481264/how-george-floyds-death-made-republicans-on-capitol-hill-shift-their-rhetoric

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/politics/trump-george-floyd-protests-political-gain/index.html

When Walz was announced, he quickly said "Harris-Walz: most left-wing ticket in American history,  Minnesota was ground zero for the BLM riots of 2020. Harris egged it on and Walz sat by and let Minneapolis burn.”  Was this exploiting George Floyd?  THIS is exploiting George Floyd.  I invite people to look at a mad of Minneapolis and then look where the riot occurred.  It was a miniscule part of the city.  Bringing up his name to further a political lie is exploitation.  Yes, the happenings after GF weren't all pleasant....how could it be?  All of America had access to the snuff film.  I can't think of a recent tragedy that united people like that did.  And the courts thought so since these officers served federal time.  I know, I know.  Crusades is using this as an example of the Democrats doing the exploiting but what they did wasn't for political gain.  It was a human rights issue.

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subee said:

When Walz was announced, he quickly said "Harris-Walz: most left-wing ticket in American history,  Minnesota was ground zero for the BLM riots of 2020. Harris egged it on and Walz sat by and let Minneapolis burn.”  Was this exploiting George Floyd?  THIS is exploiting George Floyd.  I invite people to look at a mad of Minneapolis and then look where the riot occurred.  It was a miniscule part of the city.  Bringing up his name to further a political lie is exploitation.  Yes, the happenings after GF weren't all pleasant....how could it be?  All of America had access to the snuff film.  I can't think of a recent tragedy that united people like that did.  And the courts thought so since these officers served federal time.  I know, I know.  Crusades is using this as an example of the Democrats doing the exploiting but what they did wasn't for political gain.  It was a human rights issue.

I don't think in the long run that pointing out that BLM really gave them any political gain.  It wasn't like "oh a black man was murdered by a white cop, let's exploit that".  It started with a visceral reaction by the general public who watched and were outraged.  Republicans as well as democrats had to go on record.

 In fact I feel it was more exploited by the right, especially news organizations like Fox that published articles like "anarchy in Portland, as city is ablaze".  I had friend in Portland who stated they were barely aware of the protests and life was pretty normal there.  Certainly condemnation of any violent reaction to the event and reporting of such is necessary, but over dramatizing it was an attempt at political gain.

 

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Tweety said:

I don't think in the long run that pointing out that BLM really gave them any political gain.  It wasn't like "oh a black man was murdered by a white cop, let's exploit that".  It started with a visceral reaction by the general public who watched and were outraged.  Republicans as well as democrats had to go on record.

 In fact I feel it was more exploited by the right, especially news organizations like Fox that published articles like "anarchy in Portland, as city is ablaze".  I had friend in Portland who stated they were barely aware of the protests and life was pretty normal there.  Certainly condemnation of any violent reaction to the event and reporting of such is necessary, but over dramatizing it was an attempt at political gain.

 

What a difference context makes!

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https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/25/republican-fight-inflation-reduction-act-00176223

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Republicans plotting their party's post-election policy agenda have a decision to make: What do they do with the Democrats' 2022 climate law, now that its clean energy tax breaks are drawing growing GOP support?

No Republican voted for the Inflation Reduction Act two years ago, and conservatives consistently charge that its hundreds of billions of dollars in subsidies for electric vehicles, wind, solar and other technologies will drive up prices, distort the markets and benefit China.

But the law is undeniably bringing federal money, private investments and jobs into communities around the country overwhelmingly represented by Republicans — and the once-united opposition is fraying.

It's all part of an intensifying debate within the Republican Party about how to respond to climate change, a rising priority for many young voters. And while more GOP lawmakers say they want to be active on the issue, many conservatives — including Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump — still don't buy the reality of human-caused global warming and the impact of fossil fuels.

This month, 18 House Republicans signed onto a letter asking Speaker Mike Johnson to spare the energy tax credits from efforts to repeal the Inflation Reduction Act, with many of them seeing the incentives as both good for the planet and extremely beneficial for local economic development.

This letter is inconvenient for the GOP need to follow Trump's personal political whims rather than govern for the benefit of their constituents. 

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"we don't believe in climate change and government spending but give us our tax cuts, we like that part"

Have I got that right?

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CNN  8/24/24

The 10 Senate seats most likely to flip in 2024

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The top three states most likely to change hands — West Virginia, Montana and Ohio — aren't budging. After those three, the next most likely are now open seats where Democrats are on defense: Michigan and Arizona. Seats without incumbents are almost always harder to defend, in part because the nominees don't have as well-known brands to help buck any national headwinds. Those two seats slide above Nevada, where Sen. Jacky Rosen is

running for a second term and which had previously been No. 4.

  1. West Virginia
  2. Montana
  3. Ohio
  4. Michigan
  5. Arizona
  6. Nevada
  7. Pennsylvania
  8. Wisconsin
  9. Texas
  10. Maryland

PA residents not buying that Dave McCormick who's lived outside our state for 15 years in Connecticut has PA voters best interest at heart -along with being former CEO of Bridgewater Associates, one of the world's largest hedge fund leaving in 2022 for politics.

 

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I think the mic mute is a great idea for a debate with Trump.  It's not like he's known to be quiet and not interrupt his opponents.  LOL

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/26/kamala-harris-donald-trump-debate-abc-microphones-00176294

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Tweety said:

I think the mic mute is a great idea for a debate with Trump.  It's not like he's known to be quiet and not interrupt his opponents.  LOL

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/26/kamala-harris-donald-trump-debate-abc-microphones-00176294

From time to time it almost seems like Trump is trying to find an excuse for not debating Harris that resonates with his fan base.  So far, nothing seems to dilute the impression that a cancelation would make him look weak.

 

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Tweety said:

I think the mic mute is a great idea for a debate with Trump.  It's not like he's known to be quiet and not interrupt his opponents.  LOL

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/26/kamala-harris-donald-trump-debate-abc-microphones-00176294

I think that's a win:win for Harris. Muted mics allow for Harris to actually complete a thought without being drowned out by static. Open mics make room for trump to expose his mean-spirited pathology. After all, Harris learned to play rope-a-dope as a prosecutor and went on to hone her skills under the guidance of a master.

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Tweety said:

I think the mic mute is a great idea for a debate with Trump.  It's not like he's known to be quiet and not interrupt his opponents.  LOL

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/26/kamala-harris-donald-trump-debate-abc-microphones-00176294

True that!! 

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