I traditionally have a thread heading to the election, here we go.
Get out the popcorn for this one.
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to formally announce next week he is running for president in 2024, NBC News reported Thursday, citing two sources familiar with the matter.
The governor's official entry into the Republican primary field will put him head-to-head with former President Donald Trump, the party's current frontrunner for the nomination. Trump has already spent months treating DeSantis as his primary campaign rival, thrashing him with torrents of criticism over his gubernatorial record, his political skills and his personality.
Thanks for the link, I guess it needed approval or was delayed because I didn't see it before I re-posted the link myself.
I don't think double haters or Biden voters are concerned that Trump is going to change the constitution, but for some of us it goes a bit beyond just his personality. For me it's his Great Lie that he won the election.
Some here have said he'll change the constitution. Yes, definitely for some it's more then his personality.
I'm not sure the "Great Lie" matters much to the undecided and double-haters. It's just another reason to not vote for him for those who weren't going to anyway . Just like the "hush money" case.
I haven't researched that, probably a poll somewhere, but it's just my gut feeling.
Thanks for the link, I guess it needed approval or was delayed because I didn't see it before I re-posted the link myself.
I don't think double haters or Biden voters are concerned that Trump is going to change the constitution, but for some of us it goes a bit beyond just his personality. For me it's his Great Lie that he won the election.
For me, it's a somewhat longer list:
1. His general incompetence as a manager, AEB bad hires, multiple bankruptcies. global ignorance.
2. His looooong history of overt racism.
3. Project 2025
4. His open courting of extremist fascists, both domestic and foreign.
5. His go-to strategy of bullying.
6. His cynicism and complete lack of ethics.
7. His misogyny and sexual predation.
And that's just a partial list of what I know about as a random citizen. I strongly suspect that there's much more behind-the-scenes self-serving treachery involving national security. We won't know about that for years, if ever.
Some here have said he'll change the constitution. Yes, definitely for some it's more then his personality.
I'm not sure the "Great Lie" matters much to the undecided and double-haters. It's just another reason to not vote for him for those who weren't going to anyway . Just like the "hush money" case.
I haven't researched that, probably a poll somewhere, but it's just my gut feeling.
I think the implications of using the justice system against your political opponent (whether legit or not) is far more fearful than than all the other fear mongering claims made against Trump.
I think the idea of charging Trump was a big mistake for democrats.
Americans have had a strong standing of not prosecuting political opponents as it has show to be done by murderous tyrannical governments all through history. Almost no justice is worth setting the precedence of political persecution of your political rival.
The desperate attempt to keep Trump out of thevWH may but what gets Trump elected again.
Some here have said he'll change the constitution. Yes, definitely for some it's more then his personality.
I'm not sure the "Great Lie" matters much to the undecided and double-haters. It's just another reason to not vote for him for those who weren't going to anyway . Just like the "hush money" case.
I haven't researched that, probably a poll somewhere, but it's just my gut feeling.
I would agree that people that are offended by the "Great Lie" were never going to vote for him anyway, but it doesn't mean we aren't double haters either. Many people that are double haters were never going to vote for Biden either.
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Crusades said:
Yes. Because even with all of that, he is better to run the country than Biden. If Biden wasn't in cognitive decline I would vote for him.
Exactly. You prefer a convicted felon who is a fraud and sexual abuser to a guy who is not a fraud, is not a convicted felon, is not civilly accountable for sexual abuse, and did not try to overthrow our government after losing a election. You choose the guy who mismanaged a pandemic and is ranked among the least productive presidents of all time instead of the guy who navigated postpandemic global inflation and is ranked among the most effective and productive presidents of all time. All while pretending that Biden's normal aging somehow is more alarming than Trump's agitated confusion, habitual lying, word salad and and crazy stories about sharks and snakes and batteries and immigrant fight clubs.
Yep. You choose that guy. According to Karl Rove, there will be fewer of you come November.
A few people mentioned it was Trump's personality was what they disliked the most. That's how Biden won last time.
No one mentioned he was going to change to constitution.
Lots of double-haters, whi h is going to make the election hard to predict. Unless Biden is replaced. A lot of them would go for the replacement.
Just because changing our constitution wasn't mentioned in that article does not mean that such a thing is not on Trump's agenda. He's said a much. His sycophants have said as much. Project 2025 is a blueprint of sorts.
Biden likely won last time because Trump demonstrated a complete lack of character and leadership skills during the pandemic in the months leading up to the election. During those critical months he was the single largest source of misinformation about covid and intentionally politicized a national health emergency. People were sick of his chaotic incompetence.
It would be an entirely different contest if the GOP candidate wasn't a corrupt, lying felon.
I read that there's some concern that the RNC convention might be interesting.
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Beerman said:
Some here have said he'll change the constitution. Yes, definitely for some it's more then his personality.
I'm not sure the "Great Lie" matters much to the undecided and double-haters. It's just another reason to not vote for him for those who weren't going to anyway . Just like the "hush money" case.
I haven't researched that, probably a poll somewhere, but it's just my gut feeling.
Maybe "the great lie" doesn't resonate but the reality that the lie was intended to undermine confidence in election outcomes and pave the way for Trump to overturn electing results and break our constitution resonates with lots of people. Felony convictions will matter to lots of voters. Lots of people have loved ones with felony convictions who cannot get good jobs.
My gut feeling is that Trump is going to continue to lose support in the polls as we near the election. As the trials in Florida and Georgia are intentionally delayed, it increases the likelihood that some of the evidence against Trump will be examined in the public square. Trump will be sentenced soon. I think that the character of these two candidates matters a great deal and that I'm not in the minority in that view. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think most Americans have set aside their values regarding character to favor Trump.
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Tweety said:
I would agree that people that are offended by the "Great Lie" were never going to vote for him anyway, but it doesn't mean we aren't double haters either. Many people that are double haters were never going to vote for Biden either.
Correct. I wasn't a Biden fan. NEB convinced me that Kamala was the better choice and I was going to vote with her. Then Biden got the nomination. The rest is history. Biden is fine with me, I wanted a younger candidate and it was a bonus to get to dream about a gay or mixed race female president for a hot minute, but Biden is fine as long as he can beat Trump and Trumpism at the polls.
Seems like Biden is trying to place doubt in visual media in order to convince his base that he is not in cognitive decline.
It's a know tatice of toltalian government to instil doubt in our visual communication so that you doubt your own eyes. This type of propaganda is very dangerous to our democratic republic. A common occurrence in the era of Biden.
Gaslighting. We have to watch Trump behave like an ignorant, mean boor every day of the week. Even Jesus would fight not to hate him. You'll have to produce evidence of tampered images of Trump yet the one Fox showed is stricly amateur it's so bad. False images are the new images. We will never be able to trust our ears and eyes again after an unregulated AI has control of all media.
Some here have said he'll change the constitution. Yes, definitely for some it's more then his personality.
I'm not sure the "Great Lie" matters much to the undecided and double-haters. It's just another reason to not vote for him for those who weren't going to anyway . Just like the "hush money" case.
I haven't researched that, probably a poll somewhere, but it's just my gut feeling.
I definitely do not want to be governed by anyone who believes the Great Lie. Anyone who still supports that is unhinged. At some point, we have to accept the courts' multiple decisions on this and move on. But that is not analagous to the hush money case. Trump did attempt to influence the election. Otherwise, why would he pay the money? He doesn't give a damn what Melania thinks of him.
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subee said:
I definitely do not want to be governed by anyone who believes the Great Lie. Anyone who still supports that is unhinged. At some point, we have to accept the courts' multiple decisions on this and move on. But that is not analagous to the hush money case. Trump did attempt to influence the election. Otherwise, why would he pay the money? He doesn't give a damn what Melania thinks of him.
I'm not sure that he doesn't care about what Melania thinks. I think that he would think it was bad if she didn't publicly support him at or after the convention.
Exactly. You prefer a convicted felon who is a fraud and sexual abuser to a guy who is not a fraud, is not a convicted felon, is not civilly accountable for sexual abuse, and did not try to overthrow our government after losing a election. You choose the guy who mismanaged a pandemic and is ranked among the least productive presidents of all time instead of the guy who navigated postpandemic global inflation and is ranked among the most effective and productive presidents of all time. All while pretending that Biden's normal aging somehow is more alarming than Trump's agitated confusion, habitual lying, word salad and and crazy stories about sharks and snakes and batteries and immigrant fight clubs.
Yep. You choose that guy. According to Karl Rove, there will be fewer of you come November.
Yes. As I said. I feel Trump can manage better and so do millions of other Americans.
Normal cognitive change is still cognitive decline. A man with his decline shoukd not be POTUS.
Do you ever consider the implications on Biden? His health?
Only in this circumstance would placing a senior man with cognitive decline due to age or not, in a powerful position at the risks of others. This would not be acceptable but because it has to do with power, Biden's administration and family are fully engaging in elder abuse.
I guess you can't blame Dr. Jill Biden as she's not a medical Dr......
According to others Trump will be ypur president again.
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Some here have said he'll change the constitution. Yes, definitely for some it's more then his personality.
I'm not sure the "Great Lie" matters much to the undecided and double-haters. It's just another reason to not vote for him for those who weren't going to anyway . Just like the "hush money" case.
I haven't researched that, probably a poll somewhere, but it's just my gut feeling.