The election 2024 Thread

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I traditionally have a thread heading to the election, here we go.

Get out the popcorn for this one.

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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to formally announce next week he is running for president in 2024, NBC News reported Thursday, citing two sources familiar with the matter.

The governor's official entry into the Republican primary field will put him head-to-head with former President Donald Trump, the party's current frontrunner for the nomination. Trump has already spent months treating DeSantis as his primary campaign rival, thrashing him with torrents of criticism over his gubernatorial record, his political skills and his personality.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/18/desantis-plans-to-officially-announce-presidential-run-next-week.html

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subee said:

And if one looks closely enough, you can find "tells" that the image is fake.  AI is no replacement for reality.  The fake Fox released was amateurish with Biden looking like a cardboard insert.  We are all going to ratchet up our skepticism skills:(

 

 

 

 

Probably not all of us.  There are millions of extremely gullible people who are not practiced at vetting images or information for accuracy or authenticity.  

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toomuchbaloney said:

 

 I guess that disparaging liberals is OK but noting that Trump has consolidated the grievances of racists, white supremacists, white nationalists and nazis and that millions of voters happily associate themselves with that group is a bridge too far, eh? 

Guilt by Association Fallacy

..... something unsavory or untrustworthy in order to discredit them. 

Be on guard when you see phrases like these:

"has ties to…”
"connected with"
"is the parent company/subsidiary of…”
"was a member of…”

https://www.butte.edu/departments/cas/tipsheets/thinking/fallacies.html

heron said:

Actually it was dubbed a cheap fake.

I saw the unedited versions of two of them.  I didn't see much difference. 

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toomuchbaloney said:

Probably not all of us.  There are millions of extremely gullible people who are not practiced at vetting images or information for accuracy or authenticity.  

Wishful thinking:(  NYC used to have a partnership with the Daily News who supplied the newspapers to any school who asked for them.  Newspapers were worked into English and the social studies.  It's a lot easier to get an elementary school school hooked on the news than it is to give it to older students who never learned to read well.  It's a win-win for everyone.  IDK, but it's depressing how so many people have no curiosity or interest in diving a little deeper than a Fox headline written by someone who never went to journalism school.  Bring on Smartmatic for another near billion dollar suit.  I can't wait.  Four of Fox's board members were subpoenaed this month.  Things are moving forward

 

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The Philadelphia Citizen  June 20, 2024

An Open Letter to CNN's Jake Tapper and Dana Bash

In advance of the Trump/Biden presidential debate, former Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter shares some thoughts on a way to get the answers we really need to hear from the candidates

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Ask them about ... governing...

Some illuminating questions to ask...

From our U.S. Citizenship Test, I suggest asking these questions of both men: (Answer key at end.)

1. What are the first three words of the Constitution establishing the idea of self-government? How do they inform decisions you'd make as President and leader of the free world?

2. How many rights are declared in the First Amendment, what are they, and what does the Amendment with which the Framers chose to open our founding document mean to you?

3. What are the rights declared in the Declaration of Independence?

4. Name two authors of the Federalist Papers.

5. What does the phrase "Checks and Balances" mean?

Here are some others, off the top of my head:

6. Who is Frederick Douglass?

7. What's the Hatch Act?

8. What's the War Powers Act and when was it adopted?

9. What president first recognized the state of Israel?

10. Name Ronald Reagan's economic policy, and are you

 

 

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NRSKarenRN said:

The Philadelphia Citizen  June 20, 2024

An Open Letter to CNN's Jake Tapper and Dana Bash

In advance of the Trump/Biden presidential debate, former Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter shares some thoughts on a way to get the answers we really need to hear from the candidates

 

The first question to Trump should be who won the 2020 election.  

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Crusades said:

Guilt by Association Fallacy

..... something unsavory or untrustworthy in order to discredit them. 

Be on guard when you see phrases like these:

"has ties to…”
"connected with"
"is the parent company/subsidiary of…”
"was a member of…”

https://www.butte.edu/departments/cas/tipsheets/thinking/fallacies.html

So are you saying that you really aren't associated with a felon, sexual abuser and fraud who is celebrated by white supremacists and nazis? I mean you have said over and over that he's the best candidate.  Maybe you've decided not to associate with that now? 

Crusades said:

Actually. It was the white house press secretary that called the latest video example of Bidens cognitive decline as a "cheap fake". Then left wing msm just like bots are now repeating it. 

It wasn't Trump that said anything . It was the WH LOL

Prove it.  

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Meanwhile, republican legislators are making folks of themselves for Trump.  Here's another one. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/rep-ronny-jackson-says-biden-submit-drug-tests-debate-rcna158492

Trump really ought to get a more credible person to question whether or not Biden is using performance enhancing drugs.  Jackson was demoted by the Navy for his irresponsible behavior involving drugs and alcohol.  

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toomuchbaloney said:

So are you saying that you really aren't associated with a felon, sexual abuser and fraud who is celebrated by white supremacists and nazis? I mean you have said over and over that he's the best candidate.  Maybe you've decided not to associate with that now? 

Prove it.  

 

"White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre addressed the issue, pointing to a Washington Post article that referred to the videos as "cheap fake" and spreading "misinformation" and noted their dissemination by "right-wing critics of the president.”

https://www-hindustantimes-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/white-house-calls-joe-bidens-freezing-and-appearing-confused-videos-cheap-fake-101718680339841-amp.html?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From %1%24s&aoh=17191935526666&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.Google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hindustantimes.com%2Fworld-news%2Fus-news%2Fwhite-house-calls-joe-bidens-freezing-and-appearing-confused-videos-cheap-fake-101718680339841.html

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toomuchbaloney said:

So are you saying that you really aren't associated with a felon, sexual abuser and fraud who is celebrated by white supremacists and nazis? I mean you have said over and over that he's the best candidate.  Maybe you've decided not to associate with that now? 

Prove it.  

White House says Joe Biden is a victim of 'cheap fakes’: What are they?

https://www.Google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/6/18/white-house-says-joe-biden-is-a-victim-of-cheap-fakes-what-are-they

Seems like Biden is trying to place doubt in visual media in order to convince his base that he is not in cognitive decline. 

It's a know tatice of toltalian government to instil doubt in our visual communication so that you doubt your own eyes. This type of propaganda is very dangerous to our democratic republic. A common occurrence in the era of Biden. 

subee said:

Wishful thinking:(  NYC used to have a partnership with the Daily News who supplied the newspapers to any school who asked for them.  Newspapers were worked into English and the social studies.  It's a lot easier to get an elementary school school hooked on the news than it is to give it to older students who never learned to read well.  It's a win-win for everyone.  IDK, but it's depressing how so many people have no curiosity or interest in diving a little deeper than a Fox headline written by someone who never went to journalism school.  Bring on Smartmatic for another near billion dollar suit.  I can't wait.  Four of Fox's board members were subpoenaed this month.  Things are moving forward

 

That reminds me, I asked where you got the idea that the Taliban stole our tanks and weapons?

Or, was that just a headline that you read without diving deeper?

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Crusades said:

Can you prove that "it wasn't Trump who said anything" ? No you can't.  

 

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