I traditionally have a thread heading to the election, here we go.
Get out the popcorn for this one.
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to formally announce next week he is running for president in 2024, NBC News reported Thursday, citing two sources familiar with the matter.
The governor's official entry into the Republican primary field will put him head-to-head with former President Donald Trump, the party's current frontrunner for the nomination. Trump has already spent months treating DeSantis as his primary campaign rival, thrashing him with torrents of criticism over his gubernatorial record, his political skills and his personality.
I agree. Mr. DeSantis should have immediately condemned this. Nor do I understand his reluctance to do so. As bad as this is, in my opinion it pales in comparison to Mr. Trump's "stand back and stand by" comment. And while Mr. Trump tried to walk this back the next day this was much worse than not denouncing the Proud Boys. What he was saying, regarding potentially violent action by the Proud Boys with this statement was this: not here, not now.
One doesn't need to "stand back" to "stand by." What else could "Stand by" mean? If he said "Go home" we would all understand that he was trying to prevent violence in the streets.
Yes, I suppose adding a "sarcasm font" might be helpful. Equally helpful might be not attributing Mr. Trump's actions and words to another, or assuming that they are going tobact as Mr. Trump, based solely on the fact the they are Republican.
It has been often repeated here that the word "Republican" isn't necessarily a slur but MAGA is. Too many of the decent Republicans (which we actually need in Congress to counter the excesses of progressives on the left), have left and it's to our detriment that the Republicans left in Congress are bringing the party to the extreme right. That's not cool but, nevertheless, they identify as Republicans and we have to assume that they are going to stick with their corrupt "leader."
It has been often repeated here that the word "Republican" isn't necessarily a slur but MAGA is. Too many of the decent Republicans (which we actually need in Congress to counter the excesses of progressives on the left), have left and it's to our detriment that the Republicans left in Congress are bringing the party to the extreme right. That's not cool but, nevertheless, they identify as Republicans and we have to assume that they are going to stick with their corrupt "leader."
I don't recall anyone here saying "MAGA" was a slur. It was a different term, and I'm sure the one who claims she came up with it will let us know what it was. She is very proud of it.
I do understand though how it's much easier for many Democrats and liberals to lump all conservatives and Republicans together under one umbrella, and assign them all the worst of character flaws, lack of morals, etc.
I don't recall anyone here saying "MAGA" was a slur. It was a different term, and I'm sure the one who claims she came up with it will let us know what it was. She is very proud of it.
Oooooh - sick burn ... what are you, thirteen? (And you still don't know anything about entymology.)
Fair enough. It mystifies me that all the current primary candidates are magadonians - except Christie, who's more of a ride-the-coattails kinda guy. Is the GOP truly that bankrupt?
Well, let's be fair. The Democratic nomination isn't exactly a satisfying choice. We didn't offer any alternatives stepping up to take what has become a soul-crushing job. And yes, the GOP is left with no moral compass and would only torment the poor person brave enough to stand up and run as a non-MAGA. It would probably even be dangerous for a person to do so.
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Beerman said:
I don't recall anyone here saying "MAGA" was a slur. It was a different term, and I'm sure the one who claims she came up with it will let us know what it was. She is very proud of it.
I do understand though how it's much easier for many Democrats and liberals to lump all conservatives and Republicans together under one umbrella, and assign them all the worst of character flaws, lack of morals, etc.
Do you also understand that it is easier for many Republicans and conservatives to lump all liberals and Democrats together under one umbrella, and assign them all the worst of character flaws, lack of morals, etc?
Yes, I do ... and you still don't understand it, regardless of mis-spelling.
I had to Google it when you mentioned it the other day. It's not a commonly used word or discipline so I wanted to understand it. I've mentioned when talking about MAGA above and Woke in another thread some things do change over time. Is this what you're talking about?
I had to Google it when you mentioned it the other day. It's not a commonly used word or discipline so I wanted to understand it. I've mentioned when talking about MAGA above and Woke in another thread some things do change over time. Is this what you're talking about?
Yes, specifically how and why an initially innocuous word comes to be pejorative, aka a "slur".
The evolution of language and trying to understand the ways it influences how we think and what we think about.
One of the ways I evaluate something I'm reading/hearing is the language being used to make the argument. When it gets pejorative, I naturally tend to wonder what it is the author doesn't want me to think about. Then I look over there.
"Woke" has become a pejorative term for lefty ideas that certain groups find destructive, dangerous, silly or just plain wrong. It's usefully vague, as well. When it comes up in a debate, it can mean anything the writer/speaker wants it to mean.
When I read about something being out of control, I wanna know what that is and is it doing me damage, so I ask the writer. Who then refuses a straight answer because "everybody knows already."
No, I don't. I first read the term less than a year ago. So ... I substituted the original meaning - the awareness of social injustice - in the writer's post about fat people.
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Tweety said:
We had a long discussion about "Mega-phile" but not necessarily MAGA as a slur.
But like our recent discussion about "woke" in another thread, I think "MAGA" has taken on a whole new meaning and it is indeed a slur for some of us.
It's not a slur. It simply identifies a specific group of people (cult?) who are often mocked for their belief of conspiracy theories and wild speculation while carrying grievances for Trump and the GOP. The lovers of the MAGA "movement" (MAGAphiles) are often flamboyant, outspoken and not very well informed.
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One doesn't need to "stand back" to "stand by." What else could "Stand by" mean? If he said "Go home" we would all understand that he was trying to prevent violence in the streets.