I traditionally have a thread heading to the election, here we go.
Get out the popcorn for this one.
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to formally announce next week he is running for president in 2024, NBC News reported Thursday, citing two sources familiar with the matter.
The governor's official entry into the Republican primary field will put him head-to-head with former President Donald Trump, the party's current frontrunner for the nomination. Trump has already spent months treating DeSantis as his primary campaign rival, thrashing him with torrents of criticism over his gubernatorial record, his political skills and his personality.
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Crusades said:
This is ridiculous propagandic hyperbole.
Did Harris mention how "misinformation " will be found and how it will determined misinformation? Besides the obvious? Does the party currently in the in WH get to decide? How woukd you feel if Trump was in charge of this?
Who gets to decide what is misinformation and was is not? What's the criteria? Who will oversee this imaginary not named plan to quell misinformation?
Better yet, what will happen to the people who speak about or disagree with this disinformation? Fines? Charges? We have our own opinion on Biden/Trump mental health/cognition, what if one of us is deemed misinformation?
Will she and whatever entity apply this stopping misinformation equally? Or just the GOP?
Imagine a dystopia futire in which you can only say what the party in power says you can. Where only 1 entity gets to decide what is misinformation/hate speech and what is not.
Imagine nothing.
I think answers will be found in Nazi Germany.
Sure...hyperbole and propaganda like saying Biden has dementia and his FEMA agency is stealing people's property? Like that?
It's weird that you don't know how to identify misinformation or how to recognize disinformation. Maybe it's not weird, maybe it's expected. After all, you're not even certain that January 6th was an attempt to stop the peaceful transition of power on Trump's behalf or that the 2020 election was free and fair.
Your speculation about Harris mistreating people for their opinions is just Laoghaire given that it's Trump who has literally talked about taking action against journalists or political opponents or comedians, etc. Do you realize that you are protecting the crazy things that Trump tasks about doing onto others or are you that poorly informed as to Trump's rhetoric?
You are trying to be clever but you have only succeeded in making yourself look silly and unaware.
Sure...hyperbole and propaganda like saying Biden has dementia and his FEMA agency is stealing people's property? Like that?
It's weird that you don't know how to identify misinformation or how to recognize disinformation. Maybe it's not weird, maybe it's expected. After all, you're not even certain that January 6th was an attempt to stop the peaceful transition of power on Trump's behalf or that the 2020 election was free and fair.
Your speculation about Harris mistreating people for their opinions is just Laoghaire given that it's Trump who has literally talked about taking action against journalists or political opponents or comedians, etc. Do you realize that you are protecting the crazy things that Trump tasks about doing onto others or are you that poorly informed as to Trump's rhetoric?
You are trying to be clever but you have only succeeded in making yourself look silly and unaware.
And no understanding of what a real Nazi is and how they come to power. One of the horrific things to read or listen to is someone slinging the word around to prop up a lousy argument. It really is an attempt to normalize the highly abnormal.
Why do you and @heron object to the radical far-left label for the Democratic ticket?
Harris is on the record as:
Supporting the New Green Deal, AND eliminating the filibuster to do it.
Supports the banning of fracking
Would consider prosecuting oil companies for their role in climate change
Supports decriminalizing illegal immigration
Supports packing the Supreme Court
Wants to implement price-fixing
Believes the federal government should be involved in combating what bureaucrats deem misinformation
Supports a gun buyback program
That's just a start. And, haven't even gotten to Walz.
Haitians and FEMA....nice strawman.
All the examples you cited amount to tinkering around the edges. You don't start getting really radical until you hit such ideas as guaranteed minimum income, returning land to the indigenous people we stole it from, total elimination of special privileges for relgious organizations, free publicly funded healthcare and education, banning use of fossil fuels ... you get the idea.
Harris, Waltz. Biden, Obama, Clinton, Carter, and all the rest of the white liberal demons you guys like to invoke, aren't leftist. They're left-leaning centrists and a completely different critter. Mis-naming them as "radical" is funny.
Why do you and @heron object to the radical far-left label for the Democratic ticket?
Harris is on the record as:
Supporting the New Green Deal, AND eliminating the filibuster to do it.
Supports the banning of fracking
Would consider prosecuting oil companies for their role in climate change
Supports decriminalizing illegal immigration
Supports packing the Supreme Court
Wants to implement price-fixing
Believes the federal government should be involved in combating what bureaucrats deem misinformation
Supports a gun buyback program
That's just a start. And, haven't even gotten to Walz.
Haitians and FEMA....nice strawman.
You believe all that? Oy vey. Packing the Supreme Court is a radical leftist idea? A buyback program for guns is a radical leftist idea? You never met a real radical leftist! I'm a pragmatist and vote for the most moderate person. Harris is much more mainstream than Trump. I don't even know if he knows what he's saying anymore. He is a pathological liar and like a murderer who convinces themself in prison that they are innocent, Trump may actually believe his gibberish.
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subee said:
You believe all that? Oy vey. Packing the Supreme Court is a radical leftist idea? A buyback program for guns is a radical leftist idea? You never met a real radical leftist! I'm a pragmatist and vote for the most moderate person. Harris is much more mainstream than Trump. I don't even know if he knows what he's saying anymore. He is a pathological liar and like a murderer who convinces themself in prison that they are innocent, Trump may actually believe his gibberish.
It's entirely possible that Trump is experiencing delusions and that some of them are actually shared within his sphere of influence. Folie en masse.
All the examples you cited amount to tinkering around the edges. You don't start getting really radical until you hit such ideas as guaranteed minimum income, returning land to the indigenous people we stole it from, total elimination of special privileges for relgious organizations, free publicly funded healthcare and education, banning use of fossil fuels ... you get the idea.
Harris, Waltz. Biden, Obama, Clinton, Carter, and all the rest of the white liberal demons you guys like to invoke, aren't leftist. They're left-leaning centrists and a completely different critter. Mis-naming them as "radical" is funny.
Besides, it doesn't work. We're still here.
As for personal shots: goose, meet gander.
Walz and/or Harris has supported some of those things on your list, too.
"Left-leaning centrists" bawawaa 🤣
Sure. If they're such centrists why are they pretending to be something they're not by flip-flopping, err, "evolving" from their leftist views on so many issues in trying to get votes, and disappointing the likes of Bernie Sanders and others in the process?
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heron said:
All the examples you cited amount to tinkering around the edges. You don't start getting really radical until you hit such ideas as guaranteed minimum income, returning land to the indigenous people we stole it from, total elimination of special privileges for relgious organizations, free publicly funded healthcare and education, banning use of fossil fuels ... you get the idea.
Harris, Waltz. Biden, Obama, Clinton, Carter, and all the rest of the white liberal demons you guys like to invoke, aren't leftist. They're left-leaning centrists and a completely different critter. Mis-naming them as "radical" is funny.
Besides, it doesn't work. We're still here.
As for personal shots: goose, meet gander.
I think it's interesting that current democratic policies are described as radical leftist and dangerous (when none of that rhetoric is related to reality) by the same people who take issue with current republican policy being correctly described as authoritarian, or right wing extremism. Misinformation and disinformation accompanied by divisive and agitating messaging across social media is a dark and destructive force in a country with freedom of speech.
Trump benefits from a confused and/or frightened population. That's why his messaging is all grievance and dark vision and "othering" of immigrants and other marginalized groups.
"Voters in Portage County have raised concerns about intimidation resulting from the surveillance and the collection of personal information regarding voters, as well as threats concerning the electoral process,” the Justice Department said in a news release.
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Portage County Sheriff Bruce Zuchowski, a Republican running for reelection, came under fire for a social media post last month in which he said people with Kamala Harris yard signs should have their addresses written down so that immigrants can be sent to live with them if the Democrat wins the presidency. He also likened people in the country illegally to "human locusts.”
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Beerman said:
Walz and/or Harris has supported some of those things on your list, too.
"Left-leaning centrists" bawawaa 🤣
Sure. If they're such centrists why are they pretending to be something they're not by flip-flopping, err, "evolving" from their leftist views on so many issues in trying to get votes, and disappointing the likes of Bernie Sanders and others in the process?
"Pretending to be something they're not"
Does Trump pretend to be a Christian? How many times has Vance changed his name? Did he really grow up in Appalachia? Did Trump pretend that he didn't really lose the 2020 election? Was Trump pretending when he said TikTok should be banned or when he said they shouldn't be banned? How about when Trump said there has to be punishment for women who obtain abortions, did he flip flop or pretend? Was Trump pretending when he rolled back Obama cannabis measures or when he changed his mind about legalization? Was Vance pretending when he said that Trump was our Hitler?
Why do you and @heron object to the radical far-left label for the Democratic ticket?
Harris is on the record as:
Supporting the New Green Deal, AND eliminating the filibuster to do it.
Supports the banning of fracking
Would consider prosecuting oil companies for their role in climate change
Supports decriminalizing illegal immigration
Supports packing the Supreme Court
Wants to implement price-fixing
Believes the federal government should be involved in combating what bureaucrats deem misinformation
Supports a gun buyback program
That's just a start. And, haven't even gotten to Walz.
Haitians and FEMA....nice strawman.
You forgot reparations. Just as democrats don't believe that Trump will protect abortion rights, I do not believe for 1 minutes Harris will secure the border. On what evenidence? The last 4 yrs. She will cave to the far left activist in her party.
The misinformation is a major red flag. This is a great idea in theory but so is communism.
For the management of "misinformation " to take place there needs to be a consensus of what is or is not misinformation. Who do we charge for this responsibility? There is no government in history that can be trusted with approving or disapproving the information to the masses.
The best way to combat misinformation is open discussion and providing the correct information. I wonder why the democrats do not like this?
This 💯. Well said. It's kinda crazy that it has to be said.
I fear we might have to re-learn the terrible lessions that we did when free speech was at threat. I remember 1000's of service people dying to give us the freedom to say what we want. Now Harris and democrats want to silence things they don't like. Or spin and twist any type of information to their favor. Call it misinformation. How convenient. How fascists of them.
Disinformation is the new modern version of "free speech "
This 💯. Well said. It's kinda crazy that it has to be said.
I fear we might have to re-learn the terrible lessions that we did when free speech was at threat. I remember 1000's of service people dying to give us the freedom to say what we want. Now Harris and democrats want to silence things they don't like. Or spin and twist any type of information to their favor. Call it misinformation. How convenient. How fascists of them.
Disinformation is the new modern version of "free speech "
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Sure...hyperbole and propaganda like saying Biden has dementia and his FEMA agency is stealing people's property? Like that?
It's weird that you don't know how to identify misinformation or how to recognize disinformation. Maybe it's not weird, maybe it's expected. After all, you're not even certain that January 6th was an attempt to stop the peaceful transition of power on Trump's behalf or that the 2020 election was free and fair.
Your speculation about Harris mistreating people for their opinions is just Laoghaire given that it's Trump who has literally talked about taking action against journalists or political opponents or comedians, etc. Do you realize that you are protecting the crazy things that Trump tasks about doing onto others or are you that poorly informed as to Trump's rhetoric?
You are trying to be clever but you have only succeeded in making yourself look silly and unaware.