I traditionally have a thread heading to the election, here we go.
Get out the popcorn for this one.
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to formally announce next week he is running for president in 2024, NBC News reported Thursday, citing two sources familiar with the matter.
The governor's official entry into the Republican primary field will put him head-to-head with former President Donald Trump, the party's current frontrunner for the nomination. Trump has already spent months treating DeSantis as his primary campaign rival, thrashing him with torrents of criticism over his gubernatorial record, his political skills and his personality.
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Crusades said:
I'm not talking about Trump.
So the way we will combat misinformation is to use our own values and ethics to identify it? Or how are momma raised us? So how does that translate into how Harris will fight misinformation?
Right now, what you said, we already do this. So what will Harris do? How do you see that working.?
The FBI just released updated data on violent crime. As some info was missing (as Trump said) from the original numbers. It now shows that violent crime is much higher than previously reported.
How do you manage a situation like that?
Is omission of information considered disinformation too?
I bet you will show no concern how the FBI very quietly updated this and the only way to compare the previous numbers was if you previously downloaded them. That's a real threat to democracy.
I am talking about Trump because he is a big part of the problem with disinformation and lies. I don't care if you want to pretend that he's not the most dishonest and divisive political figure of your lifetime.
Yes. We combat lies be calling them out in real time using facts and evidence and discernment and common sense. The Bible and other religious texts give us guidance on honesty and integrity and ethics and morals.
We do that in exactly the way House Republicans whined and postured and exaggerated and fear mongered about; they speak truth to media in response to lies.
Yes, data gets updated all of the time. Did the data show that crime is lower now? It did.
I am talking about Trump because he is a big part of the problem with disinformation and lies. I don't care if you want to pretend that he's not the most dishonest and divisive political figure of your lifetime.
Yes. We combat lies be calling them out in real time using facts and evidence and discernment and common sense. The Bible and other religious texts give us guidance on honesty and integrity and ethics and morals.
We do that in exactly the way House Republicans whined and postured and exaggerated and fear mongered about; they speak truth to media in response to lies.
Yes, data gets updated all of the time. Did the data show that crime is lower now? It did.
No actually the data you are refering to has been updated by the FBI to include new data. Violent crime is up, Allot higher than the previous numbers. 4.7 % higher. Trump said they didn't include all the data during the debate and here we are...... . That was disinformation now it's not. How would this be addressed under the Harris regime if combating misinformation?
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But the FBI has quietly revised those numbers, releasing new data that shows violent crime increased in 2022 by 4.5%. The new data includes thousands more murders, rapes, robberies, and aggravated assaults.
Trump says the FBI is corrupt. Looks like he is right. 2 times.
I wonder what else he's right about?. See? This type of manipulative propagandic hypocrisy from the democrats might lose them the election.
The Bible? LOL. Really? That's why democrats are having tantrums because some states want to bring the Bible to the class room? Yeah. Okay.... But you say we combat misinformation is to look to the Bible for morals and values? What?
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Crusades said:
No actually the data you are refering to has been updated by the FBI to include new data. Violent crime is up, Allot higher than the previous numbers. 4.7 % higher. Trump said they didn't include all the data during the debate and here we are...... . That was disinformation now it's not. How would this be addressed under the Harris regime if combating misinformation?
Trump says the FBI is corrupt. Looks like he is right. 2 times.
I wonder what else he's right about?. See? This type of manipulative propagandic hypocrisy from the democrats might lose them the election.
The Bible? LOL. Really? That's why democrats are having tantrums because some states want to bring the Bible to the class room? Yeah. Okay.... But you say we combat misinformation is to look to the Bible for morals and values? What?
Yes. And crime rates, even updated, are what when compared to Trump's presidency?
Trump says anyone who tried to hold him accountable is corrupt. Trump is a liar who uses projection religiously.
Come on now, you love hypocrisy, that's why you support the biggest hypocrite to call himself conservative. Just imagine, Trump made a huge stink about a another candidate mishandling classified documents and then he lifted hundreds of them and refused to return them resulting in a warrant and criminal charges. That's epic hypocrisy.
I'm really impressed with your ability to completely miss the point and then misrepresent those same points made in response to your own silly questions. It does make trying to engage with you tedious, however.
Yes. And crime rates, even updated, are what when compared to Trump's presidency?
Trump says anyone who tried to hold him accountable is corrupt. Trump is a liar who uses projection religiously.
Come on now, you love hypocrisy, that's why you support the biggest hypocrite to call himself conservative. Just imagine, Trump made a huge stink about a another candidate mishandling classified documents and then he lifted hundreds of them and refused to return them resulting on a warrant and criminal charges.
I'm really impressed with your ability to completely miss the point and then misrepresent those same points made in response to your own silly questions. It does make trying to engage with you tedious, however.
You want to discuss how the FBI quietly updated the correct data that shows violent crime is up 4.9%? And how when Trump said during the debate that the FBI numbers do not include all the data and he was lying and spreading Harris' precious "misinformation "? I could see why she would want to suppress this.
Do you have a small idea why half the country doesn't trust the democrats? It's because of things like this.
Want to talk about using the justice system to persecute your political opponent? Looks like the FBI needs a closer look.
Or do you want to reenact the Harris Fox interview where I ask you a question and all you have to say is "but Trump......."?
I notice you increase your name calling when you have been given information that goes against your ideology. Especially when Trump was right!!
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Crusades said:
You want to discuss how the FBI quietly updated the correct data that shows violent crime is up 4.9%? And how when Trump said during the debate that the FBI numbers do not include all the data and he was lying and spreading Harris' precious "misinformation "? I could see why she would want to suppress this.
Do you have a small idea why half the country doesn't trust the democrats? It's because of things like this.
Want to talk about using the justice system to persecute your political opponent? Looks like the FBI needs a closer look.
Or do you want to reenact the Harris Fox interview where I ask you a question and all you have to say is "but Trump......."?
I notice you increase your name calling when you have been given information that goes against your ideology. Especially when Trump was right!!
Feel free to talk about it.
Do you think that putting a mentally ill and demented old liar in charge of the country will make the FBI better? If we just put a rapist, felon and fraud in charge of law and order and data collection it will be all better, is that about right?
It's funny that republicans are so sensitive about truth telling that they can't trust democrats but they want to elect a pathological liar and conman who is struggling with mental illness and dementia. It's also funny that you believe that's how that Fox interview went.
Oh no... the imagined name calling and other perceived slights that conservatives love to whine about.
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Crusades said:
Do you think that calling someone 'silly or unaware" makes your feelings about various topics credible? It's weird you have a need to personally insulting people in almost every comment you make. Something you complain Trump does ad nauseum.
Disinformation like Hunters laptop? That COVID originated in a gain of function lab?
Well see about election denial if Trump wins. Good thing Pelosi is out, so there should be ample security.
I use words to convey meaning an me ideas. I think you get my meaning when I use those descriptive words. I'm sorry that you are insulted that I find many of your questions silly and disingenuous.
That laptop is somehow of political or national importance and you think that COVID originated in a lab?
Do you think that the SOTH is responsible for Capitol security?
Oh my goodness... and you express about my credibility? That's funny.
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Crusades said:
I'm not surprised you know about Nazis so well.
What? Members here suggest that people who vote Trump are voting for the party of Nazis. Apparently because some nazis may have or may not have voted for him . Msm and democrats sling that word to Republicans all the time. Loool
Thank the democrats for the loss of meaning of the word Nazi.
More liberal hypocrisy
What a bunch of baloney.
The meaning of the words Nazi and fascism are fully intact. You're confused. The right has called democrats Marxists and communists and socialists interchangeably for years. Now they've elevated their own American version of fascism and they get all finicky about word use.
I'm telling you... it's a bad look to project Trump's hypocrisy onto others.
Do you think that putting a mentally ill and demented old liar in charge of the country will make the FBI better? If we just put a rapist, felon and fraud in charge of law and order and data collection it will be all better, is that about right?
It's funny that republicans are so sensitive about truth telling that they can't trust democrats but they want to elect a pathological liar and conman who is struggling with mental illness and dementia. It's also funny that you believe that's how that Fox interview went.
Oh no... the imagined name calling and other perceived slights that conservatives love to whine about.
Still nothing to say? Yup. Just the repetative stuff about Trump.
How do ypu feel the FBI handled this? What do you think it means that violent crime was so under stated? And if it was under Trump, what would ypu say?
Hypocrisy
At least half Americans disagree with you. Some of these Americans feel better with a Trump presidency than with a Harris presidency. With all his flaws, even he is better for the country. At least according to half.
She answered every question invoking Trump. It is hilarious that you feel that interview went well. And weird but not odd you come with the same talking points of the bias left media.
You'll have to try allot harder than "Trump is mentally ill dementia victim" bla bla bla.
I use words to convey meaning an me ideas. I think you get my meaning when I use those descriptive words. I'm sorry that you are insulted that I find many of your questions silly and disingenuous.
That laptop is somehow of political or national importance and you think that COVID originated in a lab?
Do you think that the SOTH is responsible for Capitol security?
Oh my goodness... and you express about my credibility? That's funny.
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When Trump uses rude insulting language he is just articulating his ideas. He using his words to his meaning
I think Trump is insecure and egotistical so he uses this language. Maybe you do too.
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Crusades said:
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When Trump uses rude insulting language he is just articulating his ideas. He using his words to his meaning
I think Trump is insecure and egotistical so he uses this language. Maybe you do too.
What should we do with people who are so sensitive about adjectives?
Clearly you're not listening to Trump's speeches. You say you "think" Trump is insecure and egotistical because you can't admit that he's mentally ill and cognitively challenged as evidenced by his obvious symptoms.
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Crusades said:
Still nothing to say? Yup. Just the repetative stuff about Trump.
How do ypu feel the FBI handled this? What do you think it means that violent crime was so under stated? And if it was under Trump, what would ypu say?
Hypocrisy
At least half Americans disagree with you. Some of these Americans feel better with a Trump presidency than with a Harris presidency. With all his flaws, even he is better for the country. At least according to half.
She answered every question invoking Trump. It is hilarious that you feel that interview went well. And weird but not odd you come with the same talking points of the bias left media.
You'll have to try allot harder than "Trump is mentally ill dementia victim" bla bla bla.
LOL
Trumps campaign seems to think that there's a good reason to limit Trump's interviews and appearances right now. It's probably just coincidental that he's retreating after having a really weird townhall where he got confused and played dance hall DJ for a half hour before wandering off without hearing more questions. It's probably not related to that wildly cringey Univision townhall where he couldn't answer a question if his life depended on it, right? Did you see the looks on those voters faces when grifter grandpa rambled through unrelated word salad responses to their concise and thoughtful questions? I think he lost some voters there.
It's clear that there's trouble in Trumplandia when Trump is avoiding cameras and the spotlight. Who do you think is making these decisions? Is Trump, in his diminished capacity, still calling the shots?
The meaning of the words Nazi and fascism are fully intact. You're confused. The right has called democrats Marxists and communists and socialists interchangeably for years. Now they've elevated their own American version of fascism and they get all finicky about word use.
I'm telling you... it's a bad look to project Trump's hypocrisy onto others.
Oh noooo. Being a Trump supporter has seen me be called all sorts of things. I'm telling you, nobody cares about being called the evil buzz words democrats and their radicals call us. Haven't you noticed?
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I am talking about Trump because he is a big part of the problem with disinformation and lies. I don't care if you want to pretend that he's not the most dishonest and divisive political figure of your lifetime.
Yes. We combat lies be calling them out in real time using facts and evidence and discernment and common sense. The Bible and other religious texts give us guidance on honesty and integrity and ethics and morals.
We do that in exactly the way House Republicans whined and postured and exaggerated and fear mongered about; they speak truth to media in response to lies.
Yes, data gets updated all of the time. Did the data show that crime is lower now? It did.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/violent-crime-rate-trump-harris-fact-check/