I traditionally have a thread heading to the election, here we go.
Get out the popcorn for this one.
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to formally announce next week he is running for president in 2024, NBC News reported Thursday, citing two sources familiar with the matter.
The governor's official entry into the Republican primary field will put him head-to-head with former President Donald Trump, the party's current frontrunner for the nomination. Trump has already spent months treating DeSantis as his primary campaign rival, thrashing him with torrents of criticism over his gubernatorial record, his political skills and his personality.
It sounds like you are going to vote in PA instead of Colorado then. Maybe I should register and vote from my address in Michigan. That would certainly make my vote count more. There's still time!
Wait! Edited to add that NEB just reminded me that I have an address in Florida too since my parents died. Woot! I have several voting options.
Thanks Beerman for introducing me to the possibility that this is doable. I never would have considered it without your example.
Yep. Without having to vote in person and lenient requirements to prove your identity and residency, the choices are endless. I'm glad I could finally open your eyes to this.
I know the likelihood of someone stealing your identity and signature to vote isn't zero but it that really a concern of yours? Do you think that mail in voting shouldn't be allowed because the possibility the person on the ballot isn't the one voting? Is your preference for voting in PA because you want to vote for their issues rather than Colorado?
A republican official in Ohio forged his father's signature and then himself voted.
I know here snowbirds sometimes vote here in Florida. I know it's hard to detect them voting here and their home state. In 2020 they investigated closely for fraud and they found three residents of the Villages (a republican stronghold here) and one in Miami that voted twice. Some reports didn't say who they voted for but others said at least two voted for Trump.
Still after an intensive search finding four cases isn't all that impressive which is why DeSantis has declared us having the best voting system in the country.
I know that voter fraud is possible and everything possible should be done to prevent it because human beings suck. Still, I'm not believing that voter fraud is a huge problem, never mind that Democrats in several states rigged the election.
The Republicans will never drop this as an issue because they don't have much else to offer in terms of real ideas. It seems that Beerman has had to devote himself to voting in several states. A person with criminal tendencies will devote massive amounts of their time on circumventing the laws. I saw that behavior all the time while working in ladies' prison.
I know the likelihood of someone stealing your identity and signature to vote isn't zero but it that really a concern of yours? Do you think that mail in voting shouldn't be allowed because the possibility the person on the ballot isn't the one voting? Is your preference for voting in PA because you want to vote for their issues rather than Colorado?
A republican official in Ohio forged his father's signature and then himself voted.
I know here snowbirds sometimes vote here in Florida. I know it's hard to detect them voting here and their home state. In 2020 they investigated closely for fraud and they found three residents of the Villages (a republican stronghold here) and one in Miami that voted twice. Some reports didn't say who they voted for but others said at least two voted for Trump.
Still after an intensive search finding four cases isn't all that impressive which is why DeSantis has declared us having the best voting system in the country.
I know that voter fraud is possible and everything possible should be done to prevent it because human beings suck. Still, I'm not believing that voter fraud is a huge problem, never mind that Democrats in several states rigged the election.
No, not worried about someone stealing my identity. Just pointing out how I could have someone vote for me in the future.
Colorado's electoral votes are going to Harris. PA's are up for grabs if polling is accurate.
No, not worried about someone stealing my identity. Just pointing out how I could have someone vote for me in the future.
Colorado's electoral votes are going to Harris. PA's are up for grabs if polling is accurate.
But you had to elicit criminal intentions to show us your point. Your point is that sometimes people vote criminally. Since I need a picture ID to vote, I don't know how anyone else could vote for me. I'm not a criminal so it never occurred to me or probably 99.99 percent of the population isn't hanging out thinking, how can I vote illegally? Most people don't have second houses or the drive to bother with your scheme.
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Yep. Without having to vote in person and lenient requirements to prove your identity and residency, the choices are endless. I'm glad I could finally open your eyes to this.
Isn't it odd then, that that there's so little actual fraud? Maybe, since so many Republicans believe that it's easy to get away with it that more will try. You've only opened my eyes to your gullibility and low opinion of our democratic processes.
It's seems that you're preparing yourself to deny the election outcome if/ when Trump loses.
But you had to elicit criminal intentions to show us your point. Your point is that sometimes people vote criminally. Since I need a picture ID to vote, I don't know how anyone else could vote for me. I'm not a criminal so it never occurred to me or probably 99.99 percent of the population isn't hanging out thinking, how can I vote illegally? Most people don't have second houses or the drive to bother with your scheme.
He described how he wouldn't need his ID.
Beerman said:
Yep. Without having to vote in person and lenient requirements to prove your identity and residency, the choices are endless. I'm glad I could finally open your eyes to this.
It doesn't matter though. Voter fraud is soooooo insignificant it doesn't matter. Nothing like "protecting our Democracy " by down playing election fraud no matter how small. Every vote counts and every fraudulent vote disenfranchises our election process and canceled a valid ballot.
But yeah it doesn't matter. Just like votingb in Alaska doesn't matter. So who cares. No need to inconvenience yourself .
Don't worry Beerman if you vote more than once, if Harris wins you won't be held accountable.
But you had to elicit criminal intentions to show us your point. Your point is that sometimes people vote criminally. Since I need a picture ID to vote, I don't know how anyone else could vote for me. I'm not a criminal so it never occurred to me or probably 99.99 percent of the population isn't hanging out thinking, how can I vote illegally? Most people don't have second houses or the drive to bother with your scheme.
You only need a picture ID the first time you vote in PA. As you know, many Democrats believe asking for ID's after that is racist or suppressing the vote, or who knows what else. I'm not sure why. It seems if you have to prove your identity once to register it shouldn't be to difficult to in the future. But I digress.
As a 50 year old, I have zero intention to committed a crime by buying a six pack of beer at Safeway. But, they make me show a ID everytime. I digress again.
And, as you know most of 10's of millions on the east coast don't need to travel far to visit other states.
Yeah, youre right in that a few individuals here and there probably won't make a difference. But, you're not really thinking of the big picture. More ballots than ever being mailed out, more new people flooding into our country than ever, it's been never easier to register and vote and to have ballots under your name some are pushing for the rules to be more and more lenient.
It's a recipe for election fraud. Unless of course we take away so many rules that there is not reason to cheat.
Isn't it odd then, that that there's so little actual fraud? Maybe, since so many Republicans believe that it's easy to get away with it that more will try. You've only opened my eyes to your gullibility and low opinion of our democratic processes.
It's seems that you're preparing yourself to deny the election outcome if/ when Trump loses.
LOL...Nope. Didn't deny it the first time. So...
I still may vote in CO.
If Harris wins, Republicans will get the usual opposition surge at midterms. Possibly a red wave.
Then in 28, she'll have been so bad that no doubt the country will have tired of her by then, but Dems will be stuck with her. Republicans will have a new candidate.
So Republicans will have Congress at midterms, then the presidency after that.
And Dems aren't even going to get a SCOTUS nomination in her term.
For Republicans, and in my eyes there isn't really a bad outcome in this election.
The biggest reason for Trump to win for me is so that the Dems corrupt methods of trying to bring him down aren't successful.
It doesn't matter though. Voter fraud is soooooo insignificant it doesn't matter. Nothing like "protecting our Democracy " by down playing election fraud no matter how small. Every vote counts and every fraudulent vote disenfranchises our election process and canceled a valid ballot.
But yeah it doesn't matter. Just like votingb in Alaska doesn't matter. So who cares. No need to inconvenience yourself .
Don't worry Beerman if you vote more than once, if Harris wins you won't be held accountable.
I'm still getting used to your style but you're making it sound like people are condoning fraud and turning a blind eye to it. Not the case, we're just looking at the bigger picture and the evidence out there. There is no evidence that Trump won the election. Yes fraud occurs, no one says it doesn't, but I'm not believing Trump for a second that it's a problem worth shutting down the government for.
It probably is quite easy to commit fraud if you put your mind to it, just like it's easy to go into a school and shoot, shoplift at the grocery store, steal someone's identity and commit credit card fraud, on and on. But there are enough honest people in the world and enough checks and balances to keep Democracy alive and the world functioning.
You only need a picture ID the first time you vote in PA. As you know, many Democrats believe asking for ID's after that is racist or suppressing the vote, or who knows what else. I'm not sure why. It seems if you have to prove your identity once to register it shouldn't be to difficult to in the future. But I digress.
As a 50 year old, I have zero intention to committed a crime by buying a six pack of beer at Safeway. But, they make me show a ID everytime. I digress again.
And, as you know most of 10's of millions on the east coast don't need to travel far to visit other states.
Yeah, youre right in that a few individuals here and there probably won't make a difference. But, you're not really thinking of the big picture. More ballots than ever being mailed out, more new people flooding into our country than ever, it's been never easier to register and vote and to have ballots under your name some are pushing for the rules to be more and more lenient.
It's a recipe for election fraud. Unless of course we take away so many rules that there is not reason to cheat.
Fair enough and there is no need to not be diligent about voter fraud or future fraud and be lax about that.
Still, if there is no evidence that mail in voting is causing fraud now, I'm not sure there's a recipe for fraud in the future just because more people might use it.
The idea of "more people flooding into our country than ever" doesn't seem to ring a bell of concern, as they need to be here five years before even being eligible to be a citizen much less vote. (But legal immigration is on the rise so how this will translate to voter fraud is yet to be determined, since studies show fraud is low currently: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/annual-number-of-us-legal-permanent-residents
I will say that I did find that it is indeed easier to vote. I guess time will tell how much this will be a recipe for fraud.
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"Although we often talk in a partisan context about voter fraud and voter suppression and whether voters have access to the ballot, the reality is, over the past 25 years, we've greatly increased the convenience of voting for almost all Americans," said David Becker, the founder and executive director of the Center for Election Innovation & Research (CEIR), which authored the new report.
Florida requires an ID each time you vote, so it's not an issue with me. For a while I figured this is how all states voted. It's been that way the 33 years I've been here, but I wanted to look into the idea of the accusations that it's racist to want to change the laws in states that don't do this. Found an interesting study.
I also read that voter impersonation is about 0.00004% of all ballots cast. Again, I think we're creating a concern where there isn't one. Although @Crusades is concerned about even one vote canceling out one other vote it's never going to be zero (there's a post above I wrote 8 hours ago awaiting approval), and even though they study the issue and try to find fraud, I'm sure some slip through the cracks and it's higher than 0.00004%. But again, is it worth all the hoopla and concern because Trump said so? Is it worth shutting down the government. Has Johnson come up with the evidence of illegals voting in elections yet?
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The proliferation of increasingly strict voter identification laws around the country has raised concerns about voter suppression. Although there are many reasons to suspect that these laws could harm groups like racial minorities and the poor, existing studies have been limited, with most occurring before states enacted strict identification requirements, and they have uncovered few effects. By using validated voting data from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study for several recent elections, we are able to offer a more definitive test. The analysis shows that strict identification laws have a differentially negative impact on the turnout of racial and ethnic minorities in primaries and general elections. We also find that voter ID laws skew democracy toward those on the political right.
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Yep. Without having to vote in person and lenient requirements to prove your identity and residency, the choices are endless. I'm glad I could finally open your eyes to this.