I traditionally have a thread heading to the election, here we go.
Get out the popcorn for this one.
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to formally announce next week he is running for president in 2024, NBC News reported Thursday, citing two sources familiar with the matter.
The governor's official entry into the Republican primary field will put him head-to-head with former President Donald Trump, the party's current frontrunner for the nomination. Trump has already spent months treating DeSantis as his primary campaign rival, thrashing him with torrents of criticism over his gubernatorial record, his political skills and his personality.
I find it interesting that we're spending all this time discussing the least consequential form of election fraud and completely ignoring the fraud and interference that can actually change the outcome of an election. Why is that?
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Crusades said:
He described how he wouldn't need his ID.
It doesn't matter though. Voter fraud is soooooo insignificant it doesn't matter. Nothing like "protecting our Democracy " by down playing election fraud no matter how small. Every vote counts and every fraudulent vote disenfranchises our election process and canceled a valid ballot.
But yeah it doesn't matter. Just like votingb in Alaska doesn't matter. So who cares. No need to inconvenience yourself .
Don't worry Beerman if you vote more than once, if Harris wins you won't be held accountable.
Apparently cheating doesn't matter as long as it's a Trump supporter cheating.
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heron said:
I find it interesting that we're spending all this time discussing the least consequential form of election fraud and completely ignoring the fraud and interference that can actually change the outcome of an election. Why is that?
Why do you think? Trump's voters are useful in the distractions.
Beerman said:
LOL...Nope. Didn't deny it the first time. So...
I still may vote in CO.
If Harris wins, Republicans will get the usual opposition surge at midterms. Possibly a red wave.
Then in 28, she'll have been so bad that no doubt the country will have tired of her by then, but Dems will be stuck with her. Republicans will have a new candidate.
So Republicans will have Congress at midterms, then the presidency after that.
And Dems aren't even going to get a SCOTUS nomination in her term.
For Republicans, and in my eyes there isn't really a bad outcome in this election.
The biggest reason for Trump to win for me is so that the Dems corrupt methods of trying to bring him down aren't successful.
Avoiding prison is also Trump's biggest reason to get reelected.
You only need a picture ID the first time you vote in PA. As you know, many Democrats believe asking for ID's after that is racist or suppressing the vote, or who knows what else. I'm not sure why. It seems if you have to prove your identity once to register it shouldn't be to difficult to in the future. But I digress.
As a 50 year old, I have zero intention to committed a crime by buying a six pack of beer at Safeway. But, they make me show a ID everytime. I digress again.
And, as you know most of 10's of millions on the east coast don't need to travel far to visit other states.
Yeah, youre right in that a few individuals here and there probably won't make a difference. But, you're not really thinking of the big picture. More ballots than ever being mailed out, more new people flooding into our country than ever, it's been never easier to register and vote and to have ballots under your name some are pushing for the rules to be more and more lenient.
It's a recipe for election fraud. Unless of course we take away so many rules that there is not reason to cheat.
What states are mailing out ballots to people who haven't requested a mail in ballot? I can't get a ballot until I've send back the request. My signature is on file in their office. As soon as my ballot is counted, that info is immediately recorded so that I can't vote again in person and vice versa of I vote in person first. We can't stop someone who deliberately decides to vote in two states....yet. But that is a criminal act and we can't stop criminals. You can't have a multi state driver's license, so how is it you can get a ballot from the state in which you aren't a citizen? I have to prove that I live here the majority of the time to get a homestead exemption in taxes. They will even go far enough, if they want to, to have you produce evidence of doctor's visit to prove you are in town in the Winter. And, BTW, signature checks are done for both ways of voting. How does someone randomly fake my signature? But I'm more interested to know which states send out actual ballots to random strangers.
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subee said:
What states are mailing out ballots to people who haven't requested a mail in ballot? I can't get a ballot until I've send back the request. My signature is on file in their office. As soon as my ballot is counted, that info is immediately recorded so that I can't vote again in person and vice versa of I vote in person first. We can't stop someone who deliberately decides to vote in two states....yet. But that is a criminal act and we can't stop criminals. You can't have a multi state driver's license, so how is it you can get a ballot from the state in which you aren't a citizen? I have to prove that I live here the majority of the time to get a homestead exemption in taxes. They will even go far enough, if they want to, to have you produce evidence of doctor's visit to prove you are in town in the Winter. And, BTW, signature checks are done for both ways of voting. How does someone randomly fake my signature? But I'm more interested to know which states send out actual ballots to random strangers.
He's just pulling our collective leg, trying to make some point about how easy it is to commit voter fraud. He only has to convince us that he plans to commit a felony to prove that point and that his motive is to increase the odds that his vote will elect the felon and fraud and others who will carry out the crazy guy's agenda in congress.
The ruse is all part of thoughtful discussion about elections in the USA in the era of Trump.
What states are mailing out ballots to people who haven't requested a mail in ballot? I can't get a ballot until I've send back the request. My signature is on file in their office. As soon as my ballot is counted, that info is immediately recorded so that I can't vote again in person and vice versa of I vote in person first. We can't stop someone who deliberately decides to vote in two states....yet. But that is a criminal act and we can't stop criminals. You can't have a multi state driver's license, so how is it you can get a ballot from the state in which you aren't a citizen? I have to prove that I live here the majority of the time to get a homestead exemption in taxes. They will even go far enough, if they want to, to have you produce evidence of doctor's visit to prove you are in town in the Winter. And, BTW, signature checks are done for both ways of voting. How does someone randomly fake my signature? But I'm more interested to know which states send out actual ballots to random strangers.
CA and CO are two states that send ballots to every voter. There are others.
I agree, voting twice or two ballots for same person isn't much of a concern.
PA you can prove residency with a passport and utility bill, bank statement (or apparently a check with PA address on it), and there is a list of other acceptable items. I'm not sure how many other states are that lenient.
I don't know what to tell you about comparing signatures. I do know of a wife signing her husband's name on his ballot and sending it in (with his permission) and his vote was counted. Maybe it was a fluke, or maybe they can't check signatures that efficiently. I would like to know how they go about that. At the speed they do it and that large of volume, it seems an impossible task.
No one has said ballots are sent out to random strangers.
CA and CO are two states that send ballots to every voter. There are others.
I agree, voting twice or two ballots for same person isn't much of a concern.
PA you can prove residency with a passport and utility bill, bank statement (or apparently a check with PA address on it), and there is a list of other acceptable items. I'm not sure how many other states are that lenient.
I don't know what to tell you about comparing signatures. I do know of a wife signing her husband's name on his ballot and sending it in (with his permission) and his vote was counted. Maybe it was a fluke, or maybe they can't check signatures that efficiently. I would like to know how they go about that. At the speed they do it and that large of volume, it seems an impossible task.
No one has said ballots are sent out to random strangers.
If ballots are sent to registered voters, what us the problem? I have checked signatures. Yes, it's very tedious and time consuming and both checkers at the table are from the opposite party. It's 2024 and time to let people vote from home. It's why I had to put in a 19 hour day for the primary last time. We are not allowed to leave the room except to pee. You have to bring your own food. There is nothing unsafe about it. You diminish the the volunteers when you dismiss the process as unsafe. We are.desperately short of Republican poll workers so sign up and see how it really works,not hiw you think it works. You need not reply. Nothing changes a fixed mind except experience and you don't have any.
If ballots are sent to registered voters, what us the problem? I have checked signatures. Yes, it's very tedious and time consuming and both checkers at the table are from the opposite party. It's 2024 and time to let people vote from home. It's why I had to put in a 19 hour day for the primary last time. We are not allowed to leave the room except to pee. You have to bring your own food. There is nothing unsafe about it. You diminish the the volunteers when you dismiss the process as unsafe. We are.desperately short of Republican poll workers so sign up and see how it really works,not hiw you think it works. You need not reply. Nothing changes a fixed mind except experience and you don't have any.
People move. People die. Ballot harvesting. Votes could be bought. I have less of a problem with mail in voting if the ballot is requested. But more could be done to make it more secure.
And, let's see how much you trust the mail. Put $500 cash in it, send to someone here of your choosing and they'll send it back.
And, in-person voting there is no valid reason to not have to show a govt issued ID.
No, I don't know how it's done. Other than you have to bring your own food and only get bathroom breaks. Not sure how they can enforce that. I'm volunteering and they're short. Ill take a break when I want.
Anyway...
So, tell us. How do they verify signatures? Is there a difference how they do a mail ballot vs in-person ballot?
Volunteers are people. Most good, some bad. I can't imagine there's too much quibbling by anyone over signatures unless it's blatantly obvious. Probably how the husband ballot signed by wife got counted.
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Beerman said:
People move. People die. Ballot harvesting. Votes could be bought. I have less of a problem with mail in voting if the ballot is requested. But more could be done to make it more secure.
And, let's see how much you trust the mail. Put $500 cash in it, send to someone here of your choosing and they'll send it back.
And, in-person voting there is no valid reason to not have to show a govt issued ID.
No, I don't know how it's done. Other than you have to bring your own food and only get bathroom breaks. Not sure how they can enforce that. I'm volunteering and they're short. Ill take a break when I want.
Anyway...
So, tell us. How do they verify signatures? Is there a difference how they do a mail ballot vs in-person ballot?
Volunteers are people. Most good, some bad. I can't imagine there's too much quibbling by anyone over signatures unless it's blatantly obvious. Probably how the husband ballot signed by wife got counted.
Thank you for highlighting the concern about voter fraud that troubles our republican voting friends and family. It's unfortunate that the high level of effective security and the low incidence of in person voter fraud doesn't reassure conservatives.
If you are going to volunteer and aren't on a break at the time, maybe you'll get to see how the election workers compare signatures or examine a mailed ballot. I hope no disgruntled Trump supporters show up to harass you.
Will you tell the election people that you are thinking about voting in 2 states and think that it's easy to do? Probably not since that would be illegal.
Driving the news: The House is set to vote Wednesday on a six-month government funding bill that includes the SAVE Act – legislation to require proof of citizenship to vote in federal elections.
Johnson pulled a vote on the same bill last week in the face of mounting Republican opposition.
Several right-wing Republicans who opposed the measure – including Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.), Matt Rosendale (R-Mont.) and Cory Mills (R-Fla.) — told Axios on Tuesday that they remain opposed.
Johnson said Tuesday that "Congress has an immediate obligation to ... fund the federal government and ensure the security of our elections," saying he is putting up the bill again because "we owe this to our constituents."
Zoom in: House Majority Whip Tom Emmer (R-Minn.) told reporters that he had flipped some GOP "no" votes.
But Nehls told Axios the bill's right-wing opponents are "dug in."
This is not going well for Republicans. I can't help but think that Republicans would be much further ahead if they just governed instead of playing political theater. They could campaign on their work if they just did the work.
Thank you for highlighting the concern about voter fraud that troubles our republican voting friends and family. It's unfortunate that the high level of effective security and the low incidence of in person voter fraud doesn't reassure conservatives.
If you are going to volunteer and aren't on a break at the time, maybe you'll get to see how the election workers compare signatures or examine a mailed ballot. I hope no disgruntled Trump supporters show up to harass you.
Will you tell the election people that you are thinking about voting in 2 states and think that it's easy to do? Probably not since that would be illegal.
So, you have know idea either how signatures are checked.
I didn't say I was going to vote in two states in the same election. That is clearly illegal as I looked up statutes and is punishable by fines and in some states jail time. Although, if someone or a mass of people were caught, it'd be after the fact. What a quagmire that'd be if it was on a large scale and effected an election.
It is nit illegal to be registered in multiple states.
A lot of bad things never happened until, you know, they happened. Too bad we didn't believe a 9/11 or a Columbine could happen.
You know what's more rare than voter fraud? A Trump voter who has harassed an election worker.
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Beerman said:
So, you have know idea either how signatures are checked.
I didn't say I was going to vote in two states in the same election. That is clearly illegal as I looked up statutes and is punishable by fines and in some states jail time. Although, if someone or a mass of people were caught, it'd be after the fact. What a quagmire that'd be if it was on a large scale and effected an election.
It is nit illegal to be registered in multiple states.
A lot of bad things never happened until, you know, they happened. Too bad we didn't believe a 9/11 or a Columbine could happen.
You know what's more rare than voter fraud? A Trump voter who has harassed an election worker.
That's interesting, I don't recall mentioning signature verification in my comment that you quoted. But I guess you think you know what I do or don't know. That's not at all surprising.
Shrugs. You think you didn't imply that you're thinking about breaking voting laws. OK. I don't believe you anyway. I think you're just using the silliness to try to make a point about election security that isn't really supported by the actual evidence.
Yes. We understand that our elections are currently secure and folks like you are trying to use your manipulated feelings and beliefs about something that might happen to justify making changes to our already secure processes. It's not lost on us that all of the feelings and beliefs about our election security are precipitated by Trump's persistent lies about voter fraud. He inspires people to make crazy claims about voting and elections and he's even inspired people to harass workers and fabricate suspicion to justify their actions.
Why don't you know about the harassment of poll workers? It seems like you might have Googled that statement about harassment before posting it as fact.
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I find it interesting that we're spending all this time discussing the least consequential form of election fraud and completely ignoring the fraud and interference that can actually change the outcome of an election. Why is that?