The election 2024 Thread

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I traditionally have a thread heading to the election, here we go.

Get out the popcorn for this one.

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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to formally announce next week he is running for president in 2024, NBC News reported Thursday, citing two sources familiar with the matter.

The governor's official entry into the Republican primary field will put him head-to-head with former President Donald Trump, the party's current frontrunner for the nomination. Trump has already spent months treating DeSantis as his primary campaign rival, thrashing him with torrents of criticism over his gubernatorial record, his political skills and his personality.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/18/desantis-plans-to-officially-announce-presidential-run-next-week.html

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heron said:

I'm not going back to check right this minute, but didn't he list the DSM criteria for those?

As a new poster you might not be aware that AN is occasionally used by students doing their homework. Some students want to be spoonfed the answers to their questions, for whatever reason. It can get tiresome for the older nurses. So instead, they try to help by pointing out where they can find the answers for themselves. Good students will say thanks and go to the library. Lazy students will get all huffy. Perhaps you hit that nerve with TMB. I know you are with me..

Now, I don't think I'm understanding your question about infanticide. Prior to viability, the question is moot because the fetus will die, just like any other tissue removed from the body. 

So ... define the infanticide that concerns you.

 

It happens every election cycle.  

 

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Crusades said:

I have no need to define infanticide.  I was refering to Feticide.  Now I'll give you the opportunity bestowed to the students of AN and allow you to go to a library and find the definition. The discussion was related to later pregnancy abortion. Not pre-viability.  

He probably did state the criteria of the DSM but was unable to apply actual observations in Trump's behavior/symptoms that qualified the DSM criteria. I thought the debate would have provided that. 

First, good point- too late to edit again, though. Outside that particular mis-naming, the rest of my post stands. What would you do about a fetus undergoing a later term abortion, who manages to get born alive?

IOW, what's your point?

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Crusades said:

"Late term abortion" isn't reconized in any medical authority.  It's "later term". 

As these threads play out, an argument is inevitable and doesn't need to be itched out. 

You said you had an "upper leg"? 

See. 

You're just looking for argument.  Your purpose is agitation. 

 

 

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Crusades said:

I have no need to define infanticide.  I was refering to Feticide.  Now I'll give you the opportunity bestowed to the students of AN and allow you to go to a library and find the definition. The discussion was related to later pregnancy abortion. Not pre-viability.  

He probably did state the criteria of the DSM but was unable to apply actual observations in Trump's behavior/symptoms that qualified the DSM criteria. I thought the debate would have provided that. 

Baloney.  

You don't know what you are talking about and just making it up as you along. It's not my problem that you didn't read carefully and don't retain information.  

As I said, I've discussed his symptoms and I've provided supportive citations including the DSM for NPD.  I've given examples of his symptomatic behavior from actual observation.  The debate did provide more examples of the symptoms I've discussed previously.  You should watch the debate and think about the pathology of his behaviors.  Can you observe his debate performance with the eyes of a clinician? I don't think you can. I think you can only see him as President Trump, the best president who is going to save you from the liberals who want to destroy your country and kill babies after birth.  Prove me wrong.  Show me how moderate you are.  

I'm not going to argue with you about something that you're not even willing to investigate yourself.  

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toomuchbaloney said:

Baloney.  

You don't know what you are talking about and just making it up as you along. It's not my problem that you didn't read carefully and don't retain information.  

As I said, I've discussed his symptoms and I've provided supportive citations including the DSM for NPD.  I've given examples of his symptomatic behavior from actual observation.  The debate did provide more examples of the symptoms I've discussed previously.  You should watch the debate and think about the pathology of his behaviors.  Can you observe his debate performance with the eyes of a clinician? I don't think you can. I think you can only see him as President Trump, the best president who is going to save you from the liberals who want to destroy your country and kill babies after birth.  Prove me wrong.  Show me how moderate you are.  

I'm not going to argue with you about something that you're not even willing to investigate yourself.  

I'm asking you for specific behaviors. This is part of investigating as a clinician. If you are unwilling great. 

The conversation has ended. 

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Crusades said:

I'm asking you for specific behaviors. This is part of investigating as a clinician. If you are unwilling great. 

The conversation has ended. 

Don't be silly.  Your assessment of Trump's debate behavior and observance of his symptoms has nothing to do with me.  You have to watch the debate.  You have to observe Trump's behavior, note his speech patterns, consider his emotional state and response, and impulse control. 

Then we can have a conversation about what you observed and discerned.  I even gave you the DSM for NPD and you know the symptoms of FTD.  We can compare notes.  

If you aren't even willing to do that then the "conversation" is, indeed over.  It's hard to "discuss" a person's observable behavior and speech is one party isn't willing to observe and assess it.  

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https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4877411-gop-senators-government-shutdown-house/

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A Senate Republican aide said there's no appetite among Republican senators to get into a standoff with Democrats over voter registration reform right before government funding is due to expire on Sept. 30.

"No one wants to back ourselves into a corner where it's either the SAVE Act or shut down the government. It's 50 days before the election, we're not stupid,” the aide said.

But Trump is pouring fuel on the controversy by demanding that GOP lawmakers enact proof of citizenship requirements for voter registration or shut down Washington.

"If Republicans in the House, and Senate, don't get absolute assurances on Election Security, THEY SHOULD, IN NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, GO FORWARD WITH A CONTINUING RESOLUTION ON THE BUDGET,” Trump thundered in a Truth Social post Tuesday.

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Trump has significantly more influence with House Republicans than he does with Senate Republicans, and his decision to interject himself in the debate has put the Speaker in a tough spot.

Johnson wants to win another term as Speaker and he can't afford to anger Trump or his MAGA allies on Capitol Hill by capitulating too easily on the SAVE Act. But he also doesn't want to be seen as shutting down the government with his narrow House majority on the line.

"Mike Johnson has to fight now so he can be re-elected Speaker,” the Senate GOP aide observed.

Once again, Trump is asking the House Republicans to put his demands above what is best for the country. Will they go along with it? Will Johnson deny Trump his shutdown threat? 

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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4877602-ohio-bomb-threat-immigrant-hate/

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The bomb threat which resulted in the evacuation of Springfield City Hall in Ohio on Thursday used harmful language against the city's immigrant community, aligning with recent false claims touted by Republicans, including former President Trump.

Springfield Mayor Rob Rue told The Washington Post that the threat "used hateful language towards immigrants and Haitians in our community.”

What a coincidence.  

stochastic terrorism; the public demonization of a person or group resulting in the incitement of a violent act, which is statistically probable but whose specifics cannot be predicted: The lone-wolf attack was apparently influenced by the rhetoric of stochastic terrorism.

 

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67.1 million viewers watched the Trump-Harris debate per Nielson stats.    6ABC is my local go to station watched for 50 years, heavily involved in debate setup + coverage. So not surprising that 1/2 population of Pittsburgh and Philadelphia watched the debate as national politic pundits say PA voters will determine Presidential election voting.

Philadelphia and Pittsburgh score highest watch ratings for the Harris-Trump presidential debate in the U.S.

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Top ten markets for last night's debate:

  • Pittsburgh - 44.2
  • Philadelphia - 43.4
  • West Palm - 43.3
  • Minneapolis - 38.7
  • Milwaukee - 37.8
  • Detroit - 37.4
  • New York - 36.7
  • Kansas City - 36.7
  • St Louis - 36.2
  • Providence - 36.2

 

 

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toomuchbaloney said:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4877602-ohio-bomb-threat-immigrant-hate/

What a coincidence.  

stochastic terrorism; the public demonization of a person or group resulting in the incitement of a violent act, which is statistically probable but whose specifics cannot be predicted: The lone-wolf attack was apparently influenced by the rhetoric of stochastic terrorism.

 

 

Now they are terrorizing school children. 

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nursej22 said:

 

Now they are terrorizing school children. 

There are probably Haitian children in those schools.  

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https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/11/republicans-defy-trump-fed-rate-cut-00178758

More Republicans are pushing back against Trump's crazy.  

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Several Republicans endorsed Harris at the Democratic National Convention in August, while a group of more than 200 who worked for former Presidents George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush, as well as Sen. Mitt Romney and the late Sen. John McCain signed onto a letter supporting the Democratic nominee.

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With economic fears rising, some of Trump's allies on Capitol Hill aren't echoing his warning to the Fed about election interference and instead say it's the right call to lower rates. Many GOP lawmakers said in interviews this week that the Fed should act because of worrying indicators that the economy could be slowing down.

"It is time for a rate cut,” said Sen. John Kennedy of Louisiana. "This economy — particularly the labor market — is softening very, very, very quickly.”

GOP lawmakers' support for the cut signals that they're willing to give the Fed room to drive decision-making on monetary policy, despite Trump's stated desire to have more say over it. Next week's move by Fed Chair Jerome Powell and his colleagues could become a flash point over the independence of the central bank and provide an early window into how Republicans would respond to Trump's attempts to pressure the Fed if he's reelected.

"The time is right,” said GOP Rep. Dan Meuser, a Trump supporter from the battleground state of Pennsylvania. "You've got to put the greater good ahead of looking political.”

Maybe as Trump looks increasingly crazy more Republicans will step toward sanity and stability.  

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