Many hospitals are moving towards creating mandatory influenza vaccination policies as a condition of employment. Such mandates are causing surefire responses on both sides of the fence. What is the push behind the movement, and what is causing the pushback?
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First, let me just go over some of the symptoms of the flu, and then we will get down to business on the controversy surrounding the push to create mandatory flu vaccines for healthcare workers:
I can't think of anyone who wants any of these symptoms, or to come down with the flu, can you?
Influenza vaccination research has clearly documented the benefits of receiving the flu vaccine (Google it - you will find a plethora of information...however, I will list some links at the end of this article for your information). However, even though there is sufficient evidence to prove the benefits of receiving the flu vaccine, vaccination rates among healthcare workers are pitifully low. In 2013, only 55% of nurses in the frontlines were vaccinated.
Organizations such as The Joint Commission, the American Nurses Association, the American Academy of Family Physicians, the American Academy of Pediatrics, American College of Physicians, Infectious Diseases Society of America, the Association for Professionals in Infection Control and Epidemiology, the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, the Centers for Disease Control, Healthy People 2020, etc., etc., have stated their position on recommending the flu vaccine for healthcare workers in order to decrease the risk of exposure and reduce deaths. Due to this recommendation, many healthcare facilities are now creating mandatory flu vaccine policies as a condition of employment.
Employers who create mandatory policies will have exemptions, of course. Exemptions are made for medical and religious exceptions. For places that do not have a mandatory flu vaccine, they may "strongly recommend" the vaccination and may have a declination form for employees to submit if they refuse the vaccine. Additionally, some employers will enforce refusers to wear a mask during flu season while they are at work in order to protect the patients and the employee.
Evidence has shown that there are more than 36,000 deaths in the US each year related to influenza, and more than 200,000 hospitalizations. Influenza is the 6th leading cause of death. Healthcare workers are the leading cause of influenza outbreaks in the healthcare system. up to 50% of people who are infected by the flu virus do not fill ill for several days and can spread the virus to people at risk of complications and death from the flu. Additionally, evidence shows vaccination decreases mortality by 40%, decreases the spread of nosocomial infections by 43%, and decreases absenteeism by 20-30%.
Additionally, there is the ethics to consider. As healthcare workers, we have all taken an oath to "do no harm". As a nurse caring for patients who are not in their most physically healthy state, do we take the vaccination in order to prevent spreading the flu to our vulnerable patients, in order to "do no harm"? We must consider this when we make our decision to take or refuse the vaccination.
I have the names of a few hospitals, and this is by no means a comprehensive list. This is based on a ListServe survey of hospitals and these are the responses received:
Refusal may be largely due to misconceptions related to the vaccine. Fears that the immune system will cause them to get the flu, beliefs that hygiene and better nutrition are more helpful than the vaccine, fear of needles, beliefs that the vaccine does not work, and fear of side effects. Others believe that they have a constitutional right to refuse the vaccine and that mandatory policies are violating these rights.
(taken from the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health outline of flu vaccine talking points for managers)
The flu shot does not give people the flu. It uses inactivated ("dead") virus. People may still catch a cold or other virus that the vaccine is not designed match.
Studies have shown that flu vaccination prevents flu in 70% to 90% of healthy adults younger than 65 years old.
You need a new vaccine every year - the virus changes over time.
Serious adverse reactions are very rare. They are explained on the CDC's Vaccine Information Statement, which is distributed when the vaccine is administered.
Local short-term reactions - such soreness at the vaccination site, slight fever, achy feeling - may occur but usually do not last long. Over the counter medicines are helpful. Even short-term reactions are much less bothersome than catching the flu and feeling very sick for days.
Your patients are at-risk, and possibly some friends and family members. You can be infected with the flu virus but not feel ill - and can still transmit flu to at-risk patients.
Inactivated influenza vaccine is effective in preventing transmission and reducing complications of the flu. In years when there is a close match between the vaccine and circulating virus strains, the vaccine prevents illness among approximately 70%--90% of healthy adults under 65 years of age. Vaccinating healthy adults also has been proven to lead to decreased work absenteeism and use of health-care resources, including use of antibiotics. Strong protection is also expected when the vaccine is not a close match with circulating strains, with 50%--77% effectiveness in these instances. In addition, effectiveness against influenza-related hospitalization for healthy adults from inactivated vaccine is estimated at 90%.
All healthcare facilities will be facing the choice of creating a mandatory influenza vaccination in the near future, if they have not already. In order to make an informed decision on the topic, we must have information. Knowledge is power. Before you make a blanket statement on pros or cons, have the information you need, know the research, and make an educated decision.
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References
American Association of Family Practitioners. (2011). AAFP supports mandatory flu vaccinations for healthcare personnel. Retrieved from: AAFP Supports Mandatory Flu Vaccinations for Health Care Personnel
ATrain. (2014). To accept or refuse the flu vaccine. Retrieved from: ZZZ_133_Influenza: Module 7
CDC. (2014). Vaccination: Who should do it, who should not and who should take precautions. Retrieved from: Vaccination: Who Should Do It, Who Should Not and Who Should Take Precautions | Seasonal Influenza (Flu) | CDC
Influenza Action Coalition. (2015). Influenza vaccination honor roll. Retrieved from: Honor Roll: Mandatory Influenza Vaccination Policies for Healthcare Personnel
Los Angeles County Department of Public Health. (2014). Talking points for managers. Retrieved from: http://tinyurl.com/p6nbg2u
National adult and influenza immunization summit. (2015). Vaccinating healthcare personnel. Retrieved from: Vaccinating Healthcare Personnel - National Adult and Influenza Immunization Summit
NursingTimes. (2014). Why do health workers decline flu vaccination? Retrieved from: http://www.nursingtimes.net/Journals/2014/11/28/y/k/x/031214-Why-do-health-workers-decline-flu-vaccination.pdf
TJC. (2012). R3 Report: Requirement, rationale, reference. Retrieved from: http://www.jointcommission.org/assets/1/18/R3_Report_Issue_3_5_18_12_final.pdf
The hospital where I work offers them to all employees and I take mine. Those that get them get a sticker for their ID badge. If you don't participate, no sticker and you must sign a release and if I'm not mistaken cant use sick days for flu, plus those non-participants are required to wear masks in PT care and are restricted fro working with immune-compromised pt's.
Path of least resistance for me, plus wearing a mask all the time looks kind of creepy. Oh I forgot, this year you cant write or draw on the masks (there were some funny faces being drawn last year.)
1)__ Do you take the flu vaccine yearly? If you do not, what is the reason you do not participate (if you don't mind answering this question)?
I get the yearly flu vaccine offered by my employer
2)__ Does your employer have a mandatory influenza vaccination policy as a condition of employment? If yes, where do you work?
No, it is usually not required, but strongly encouraged
3)__ What concerns do you have about the flu vaccine?
Nothing. It's just a vaccine.
4)__ Do you know if anyone who has been released from their job because they did not get the flu vaccine?
No, but I know of people who should have been
concerned lady said:Thank you, AllNurses, for the opportunity to honestly reply:It took me many years to evolve on the subject of "forced" vaccinations. I used to be all for them. Not any more. Years ago, my own GP doc started me questioning the need for and efficacy (usefulness) of certain vaccines.
Everyone I know who gets a flu shot (I have never had one, and I won't ever have one), has gotten the flu, as a result of the flu shot!
I know of more than one child who was adversely (badly) affected (seizures, autism, etc.) by childhood vaccinations.
Vaccines are medications, but some large pharmaceutical companies have turned them into "sacred cows" that (supposedly) must not be openly questioned!
But, we do live in America, after all, and until we become a totalitarian dictatorship, those of us who feel the need to, BETTER question authority! Science evolves. Drugs get pulled off the market, after we all were lined up like cattle or human guinea pigs, and after enough deaths & adverse effects are recognized and admitted to.
I urge nurses (and everyone) to read these informative and controversial websites (see links below), and at least hear "the other side" of the vaccination story.
I also am waiting to hear vital Congressional testimony by a CDC (Centers for Disease Control) senior scientist (phD) William Thompson, who says that he and others were coerced to "fudge" and "delete" important data that would have shown a connection between between certain vaccines and AUTISM.
See what you all think of the info in these websites (keep an open mind):
Here are 5 websites that explain why some parents and nurses and doctors decide to avoid vaccinations, for themselves &/or for their children, &/or for their patients. See these links:
National Vaccine Information Center - Your Health. Your Family. Your Choice.
Merck Has Some Explaining To Do Over Its MMR Vaccine Claims Lawrence Solomon
Why the Press Shouldn't Dismiss Vaccine Skeptics Lawrence Solomon
Controversial? Yes! But, remember my older comment here, about stool transfers for fighting recurrent C. diff, and how some nurses said "eeeew!", while other nurses said "Right on!" (when needed...).
Sincerely, Carol Sidofsky
Are you even a medical professional? The amount of nonsense you have posted here leads me to believe you never graduated high school let alone a university.
What kind of auto-immune responses are you having? Have you discussed this with a physician? There are contra-indications (rare) but I would suggest you discuss it with your doc.Sometimes I think our minds makes things worse than they really are. We psych ourselves out. It would be interesting to give the shot to folks who are frightened when they are unaware and see if they would have a negative response. Like, when you are sound asleep.
Depending on the person giving the shot, good technique can mean it doesn't hurt much. Tdap stings a bit but I advise "rubbing it up". I had a booster before my granddaughter was born to protect her against pertussis (whooping cough). I just rubbed on my shoulder off and on all day and I didn't have much pain at all. If we protect the arm and don't move it for fear of pain, I think that makes the pain worse. Kind of like a frozen shoulder - it hurts, you don't move it, it freezes that way.
I really encourage you to talk to your physician and lay out all your fears/concerns.
Thanks. I am in the process of figuring it out with a doc. Will let you know how it all goes later on sometime. Maybe October! haha You are right, sometimes a lot of it is in our heads. No doubt. I hope this one is in my head.
A healthy diet and lifestyle I wouldn't think needs a study to show one would have a stronger immunity. Most are told that the only "defense" is a flu shot. Apparently, more are finding that's not true as I have. And, certainly if one is sick even if they've been vaccinated, they're still spreading something around obviously. Just to add, I notice those not vaccinated must wear a mask, but, if your sick as a dog yet vaccinated, then what? hmmm
The vaccine courts came about having exempted vaccine makers from responsibility or they wouldn't make profit. They (politicians who get their campaign contributions) had to come up with something to appease the vaccine-injured. Actually, the lawsuits are covered by a charge for each vaccine paid by those who get them interestingly. If a vaccine is given to a baby, child or anyone one who is determined "healthy" before, yet all kinds of behavioral changes and horrendous effects afterwards, something is off somewhere. Denial seems to be the only thing from "science" regarding it.
concerned lady said:Everyone I know who gets a flu shot (I have never had one, and I won't ever have one), has gotten the flu, as a result of the flu shot!
I know of more than one child who was adversely (badly) affected (seizures, autism, etc.) by childhood vaccinations.
Ummmmmm . . . . . wow.
Show me the research, the peer-reviewed research that shows that everyone who got a flu vaccine got the flu as a result of the vaccine.
And there is NO evidence that vaccines cause autism. None. Thoroughly discredited.
Fevers can cause seizures. A seizure can be relatively mild.
Those place you linked to have been debunked, discredited, and discarded by those who prefer scientific research.
Serious adverse effects of the influenza vaccine have been close monitored for the past 15 years. Over that time period the rate of serious adverse effect of the vaccine in adults in less than 1%, in fact the most common serious adverse effect has a rate of occurrence of 0.70 per million vaccinated.Fiore, A. E., Uyeki, T. M., Broder, K., Finelli, L., Euler, G. L., Singleton, J. A., ... & Cox, N. J. (2010). Prevention and control of influenza with vaccines: recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), 2010. Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
0.7 occurrences/million X 130 million (approximate)= 91 cases of serious adverse side effects (likely Guillian Barre)on an annual basis and that is just the ones that are reported. Many are likely not reported. The actual incidence of unintended side effects is probably closer to 5% and not the 1% that are reported. Unfortunately, most practitioners will dismiss the idea that your symptoms are related to the flu shot.
The attitude with the flu shot is like some sort of religious trial. If you don't get the shot and you get the flu, then it is your fault for having sinned by not getting the flu shot. If you do get the shot and STILL get the Flu, then it is because you did something wrong (again, you sinned).
There is no winning with those who support the Flu shot despite no direct evidence that it is effective. The science to support it is sketchy at best. Even CDC studies have concluded that out of those who are hospitalized with flu like symptoms, 32% received the flu shot. How is that in any way effective? You can't even make the argument for "Herd immunity" with those stats.
Oh, and for all of those that receive the flu shot annually, there is mounting evidence that immunity decreases with each successive immunization for the flu
It was explained to me that it is natural for the body to react to the flu vaccine as it would the flu, only to a lesser degree. So, yes...you might have a spike of (short lived) fever or aches. It is supposed to be brief and then you build up your immunity. I write this because it is not unexpected to get some symptoms, just not the full blown flu. I do have to bring up one of my old instructors again though....LOL She told us that sometimes (maybe not often) the virus is *not* killed or attenuated in the process, as it should be.
I do not get the flu shot. My company offers a free voucher. It is not mandatory but you must sign a form of refusal. My concerns are not about becoming ill with the flu. My concerns are with what is actually in the vaccine besides the "dead" virus such as antibiotics, Mercury and Polysorbate 80. There is no real evidence it works and there is growing evidence that it causes Alzheimer's due to the combo of aluminum, Mercury and formaldehyde. It is not worth the risk to my future body and brain. I have yet to get the flu and I am middle aged. I have not yet heard of someone getting fired for refusal.
I'm sorry, you have so much misinformation and outright fallacy here it's hard to know where to start. But simply put, you should have NO concerns about anything you have listed as a concern. I should think even doing a cursory reading of this very thread, with the very easily proven information ON this thread, you would see how very wrong you are.
Fearmongering does healthcare no good.....I mean, really: you are telling people that there is "growing evidence" that influenza vaccination "causes Alzheimer's due to the combo of aluminum, mercury and formaldehyde" in the vaccination?? Please cite those credible sources that clearly indicate the "growing evidence". You are an RN....but do not know that there IS no aluminium in the vaccine, that the formaldehyde issue is non-existent, and the "mercury" as you are calling it is not a toxic formulation within the vaccine.
Half-truths and rumor and conspiracy theories have NO place in patient education. Screw the ADN-BSN-MSN discussions....bring on the entry-level understanding of pharmacology, toxicology, and IC/IP, and perhaps the ability to actually read and understand a scientific study.
Ummmmmm . . . . . wow.Show me the research, the peer-reviewed research that shows that everyone who got a flu vaccine got the flu as a result of the vaccine.
And there is NO evidence that vaccines cause autism. None. Thoroughly discredited.
Fevers can cause seizures. A seizure can be relatively mild.
Those place you linked to have been debunked, discredited, and discarded by those who prefer scientific research.
AREA 51 does not exist despite those crazy people who insist that it does. It is just one big conspiracy theory to fool simple.......
Seriously, you mean it does exist and the government was just trying to hide the evidence?
Now the only thing I have to give my life purpose is to argue with people who believe that the flu-vaccine can have negative side-effects.
concerned lady said:Everyone I know who gets a flu shot (I have never had one, and I won't ever have one), has gotten the flu, as a result of the flu shot!
I know of more than one child who was adversely (badly) affected (seizures, autism, etc.) by childhood vaccinations.
I believe you are either lying outright, or so very naive you will believe absolutely anything anyone tells you. Must be one or the other for you to make the outrageous statements you have just made. Thing is, MOST of us are not so completely incapable of discerning nonsense from truth, so MOST will do with your messages as they deserve.....and ignore or delete them.
Why you are posting on a forum designed for intelligent discussion of the INFLUENZA vaccine is beyond me, as you have nothing whatsoever to add to this debate. I imagine a search engine found you your way to AN, as it certainly wasn't a nursing license that did it...
EVERYONE you know who has received a flu shot has been afflicted with the flu as a result of the vaccination? My...you live in a VERY unusual community! Better call the media, your hometown should be investigated!
YOU personally know of children who have suffered seizures and autism as a direct result of vaccinations? My, again....get the media on the horn, you're much more savvy than the people who actually understand what they are talking about.
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!. I am 'justavolunteer' on a pt. unit. Everyone, where I volunteer, including volunteers, is required to get the vaccine. I have a bigger concern about the flu itself, rather than the vaccine, especially as I get older. The hospital allows exemptions for allergies, but anyone who doesn't get the vaccine has to wear a mask. I don't know what other exemptions exist (never been an issue for me. I have never known anyone to be fired over it.
I have thought about the ethics issue. A nurse may have 4-5 pts. & be in & out of those rooms. As a volunteer, I go in any room that isn't isolation (volunteers not allowed) to stock gloves, haul off linen etc. I wouldn't feel good about spreading anything to patients.