I am an Oncology nurse working for a hospital for more than 13 years. I live in California and there is now a mandate in place that is requiring me to be vaccinated before Sept. 30th or I will be terminated from my job. Not only do I not feel comfortable to receive a EUV that no long term studies have been documented because it is too new and not FDA approved but I have also witnessed friends as well as patients having severe side effects after receiving vaccination.
I am unclear how an employer has the LEGAL RIGHT to ask me personal questions about my religious beliefs or medical information (vaccination status), where are my HIPAA Rights. Employer vaccine mandates are subject to religious accommodation under the Title VII of the Civil rights act. For personal reasons I will be submitting for religious exemption to hopefully prevent me from losing my job.
I'm not sure what the outcome will be but I am planning to seek employment elsewhere in case I do lose my job and likely it won't be in healthcare. I don't know if this will be the end of my nursing career and if it is I feel extremely sad about that.
What happened to the phrase " my body my choice " ?
I will not be forced to do anything to my body that I do not choose.
Through scripture we know that God values our bodies. Our bodies are said to be a temple of the Holy Spirit, and we are called to take care of and honor God's temple. God's words lead use to use our bodies and the gifts He has given us to achieve the will of God.
Specializes in Psych, Addictions, SOL (Student of Life).
8 hours ago, jive turkey said:
OK. Here's the top 10 killers in the US for 2019. You'll find a couple in there. They're not the only ones that kill in large numbers but there's a start:
Heart disease: 659,041
Cancer: 599,601
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 173,040
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 156,979
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 150,005
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,499
Diabetes: 87,647
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 51,565
Influenza and pneumonia: 49,783
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,511
And please don't try to qualify corona by saying "ONLY x number of people died from blank"
While none of these are contagious I’ll grant that the human loss is great. That being said if a vaccine existed to prevent Alzheimer’s (a deep rabbit hole in my family) I would strongly advocate for its use
Those were already killing people long before COVID came out so don't give me that. There are moments where people are so ambitious to be argumentative they respond without having their facts together.
I specifically said "don't mistake what I'm about to tell you to mean we should stop making an effort to curb this disease"
Therefore it made no sense to ask me if we should ?Do nothing?
Let me know when there's a drug that can stop people from dying in their sleep then we can discuss that again.
The question was why are we not as proactive stopping other diseases as COVID? Why fewer or no mandates for them (aside from flu shots in some places)
Are you going to tell me "well only x people died from the flu, and COVID killed more than that"
If so, give me a number of deaths you think is enough.
See above.
Listen folks, I realize I lit a fire under some of your kiesters by having a different perspective than you. At least make sure you know what you're replying to and what was already said before making your comments hmm?
FYI, answer your thoughts why should the covid is treated like those CAD to DM deaths.
While none of these are contagious I’ll grant that the human loss is great. That being said if a vaccine existed to prevent Alzheimer’s (a deep rabbit hole in my family) I would strongly advocate for its use
Yes there are contagious diseases in that list, look again.
Also, when I posted that list I was telling the respondent a couple of communicable diseases that kill in large numbers are in the top ten. There are others, just not in the top ten for the US (like HIV and Hep). Now if we want to talk worldwide we have a whole new discussion.
yes, human loss is great across other illnesses. Now, if there were a vaccine for Alzheimer's would you support a mandate for it? A little off topic but just for fun to know.
They already acknowledged influenza but low respiratory infection is not a specific dc to prove contagion just as all pneumonia’s are not contagious
OK check this out.
Outside of doing your job or caring for a loved one, would you want to hang around someone dx with a LRI? let them cough or sneeze near you and with no mask? Would you still say "well its not specific enough to prove contagion so its cool"?
I don't mean to be rude. I just don't understand why people are being dismissive about it or countering whether or not they're contagious and straying from my original question of why aren't we as proactive about other contagious diseases as COVID.
perhaps people feel they do not have enough information to make informed consent. There continues to be a great deal of mixed messaging out there. It is my role as a nurse to provide the best information available and let the patient make their decision. It is not my role to push my opinion or be judgmental of the patient. Everyone has their choice. Those at high risk know they are at high risk and will do what they feel is right for them. What is my opinion is that the nurses that have been providing care to patients pre-vaccination should be able to continue to provide the care to the patients in the same manner they were providing the care without vaccination. If you are thinking I am against vaccination, you would be incorrect, I am fully vaccinated, that was my choice.
1.Since there are so many deaths that you're including in this discussion what are you implying?
1.For me, those diseases you have posted are likely to get those populations with these pandemic viruses.
So, what are you exactly thinking, planning, inferring, or planning about them? Let the nonvaccinated work? And have the diseases eat them away?
What is your goal since you're a nurse? ?
So yeah, those cops and military people can die in the service. Why bother sending them away to the mouth of dangerous people.
1. I asked a question. Why are we more proactive about this infection than others? I would ask the same question about other causes of death but everyone uses the "its not contagious" counter. I won't even go there what I think about that counterargument
2.They were getting people before the pandemic. So I'm not understanding your point. Anybody can get a LRI just like anybody can get COVID.
3. As for my goals, specifically as it relates to my participation on this forum:
Originally it was to hear perspectives from other nurses. I hoped to hear new information, possibly learn from peers, and have a respectful debate considering there was conflicting information available despite all recommendations to take the vaccine anyway.
After seeing how hostile people were being over the issue, I had a goal of dissuading medical professionals from shaming, disrespecting, and being rude to people hesitant about the vaccine. I've mentioned many times there are those who go from hesitant to refusal in response to insensitive comments and unrelenting pressure made by vaccine supporters especially those in the medical field
4. I see no correlation between an individual making a career choice and disease to answer your question.
Don't mistake what I'm about to tell you to mean we should stop making an effort to curb this disease:
People still die from those behaviors in large numbers
The healthcare system and the associated costs are burdened with it too
There's plenty of other contagious diseases killing in large numbers being spread unknowingly.
Why are we not as proactive about those as this one? Why no mandates for those diseases but this one?
17 hours ago, jive turkey said:
OK. Here's the top 10 killers in the US for 2019. You'll find a couple in there. They're not the only ones that kill in large numbers but there's a start:
Heart disease: 659,041
Cancer: 599,601
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 173,040
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 156,979
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 150,005
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,499
Diabetes: 87,647
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 51,565
Influenza and pneumonia: 49,783
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,511
And please don't try to qualify corona by saying "ONLY x number of people died from blank"
And this is why I know that you have no medical knowledge. You stated "There's plenty of other contagious diseases killing in large numbers being spread unknowingly," then give us a list with only (at best) 2 contagious diseases on it. I would hate to think that I could catch cancer from someone - maybe that's where I caught the cancer I had, from a patient.
Can you tell me how to avoid catching accidents or stroke or heart disease from people? According to you these are "contagious" diseases.
Definition of contagious
1: transmissible by direct or indirect contact with an infected person.
I love how you very conveniently forgot to mention that deaths from Covid in the US was 345,323 in 2020. Influenza and pneumonia sits at around 55,000 to 60,000 per year.
I noticed that when Heron answered you you took GREAT delight in jumping on a perceived error and tried to show how superior you are with the comment, and I quote;
"I see, so:
influenza isn't contagious?
Lower respiratory infections aren't contagious?
Pneumonia overlaps
So get your facts straight before trying to criticize anybody.?"
So instead of correcting your own errors you try to show someone else as failing so that you feel good. And before you use the "he's bullying me" card, I'm not. I am merely pointing out your own errors and your own lack of critical thinking and knowledge.
Thank you, Grumpy. JT was right to point out that I missed those two items … the problem with reading fast between other chores.
What he did NOT do was to was to explain why diabetes and stroke are the same as a world-wide pandemic of an extremely contagious virus and thus deserve a similar extreme public health response.
This is a common troll tactic: walls of wordy text saying not much of anything, then getting butt-hurt when his/her assertions are challenged - all the while failing to answer those challenges. All we get are accusations of bullying and the claim that our responses “prove” that his allegedly superior intellect is making us feel inferior. Feh!
Is JT a troll? I have no idea. I do know that his posts don’t show much knowledge of medicine, nursing or the scientific process. I also know that AN does not require members to be actual nurses. So … there’s no way to know anyone’s credentials or truthfulness on this site.
I do know that Russian troll farms have been having a field day ginning up the antivaxxers. I as have asked before, who has a vested interest in riling up and dividing the US electorate?
Those were already killing people long before COVID came out so don't give me that. There are moments where people are so ambitious to be argumentative they respond without having their facts together.
I specifically said "don't mistake what I'm about to tell you to mean we should stop making an effort to curb this disease"
Therefore it made no sense to ask me if we should ?Do nothing?
Let me know when there's a drug that can stop people from dying in their sleep then we can discuss that again.
The question was why are we not as proactive stopping other diseases as COVID? Why fewer or no mandates for them (aside from flu shots in some places)
Are you going to tell me "well only x people died from the flu, and COVID killed more than that"
If so, give me a number of deaths you think is enough.
See above.
Listen folks, I realize I lit a fire under some of your kiesters by having a different perspective than you. At least make sure you know what you're replying to and what was already said before making your comments hmm?
What would a mandate for a non-communicable disease look like.? There is no easy fix to cardiac disease and other lifestyle non-communicable diseases. The vaccine is easy - no dieting, no quit smoking, no get off the couch, no stop eating white stuff. Just a little jab and the world could be vastly healthier than if people refuse to vaccinate.
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While none of these are contagious I’ll grant that the human loss is great. That being said if a vaccine existed to prevent Alzheimer’s (a deep rabbit hole in my family) I would strongly advocate for its use