I am an Oncology nurse working for a hospital for more than 13 years. I live in California and there is now a mandate in place that is requiring me to be vaccinated before Sept. 30th or I will be terminated from my job. Not only do I not feel comfortable to receive a EUV that no long term studies have been documented because it is too new and not FDA approved but I have also witnessed friends as well as patients having severe side effects after receiving vaccination.
I am unclear how an employer has the LEGAL RIGHT to ask me personal questions about my religious beliefs or medical information (vaccination status), where are my HIPAA Rights. Employer vaccine mandates are subject to religious accommodation under the Title VII of the Civil rights act. For personal reasons I will be submitting for religious exemption to hopefully prevent me from losing my job.
I'm not sure what the outcome will be but I am planning to seek employment elsewhere in case I do lose my job and likely it won't be in healthcare. I don't know if this will be the end of my nursing career and if it is I feel extremely sad about that.
What happened to the phrase " my body my choice " ?
I will not be forced to do anything to my body that I do not choose.
Through scripture we know that God values our bodies. Our bodies are said to be a temple of the Holy Spirit, and we are called to take care of and honor God's temple. God's words lead use to use our bodies and the gifts He has given us to achieve the will of God.
I’m really asking that question, including what “large numbers” we’re talking about.
OK. Here's the top 10 killers in the US for 2019. You'll find a couple in there. They're not the only ones that kill in large numbers but there's a start:
Heart disease: 659,041
Cancer: 599,601
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 173,040
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 156,979
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 150,005
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,499
Diabetes: 87,647
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 51,565
Influenza and pneumonia: 49,783
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,511
And please don't try to qualify corona by saying "ONLY x number of people died from blank"
There's plenty of other contagious diseases killing in large numbers being spread unknowingly.
Why are we not as proactive about those as this one? Whynomandatesforthosediseasesbutthisone?
14 hours ago, heron said:
And what diseases would those be?
14 hours ago, jive turkey said:
I want to make sure you're really asking that question and don't already know, before I answer you
14 hours ago, heron said:
I’m really asking that question, including what “large numbers” we’re talking about.
What I’m reading here is j turkey claiming that there are plenty of other contagious diseases [apart from Covid-19] that kill ”large numbers” and posing the question why there are no mandates in place for those [contagious] diseases [like there are for Covid]. Heron is asking for clarification regarding what [contagious] diseases he is referring to and what j turkey meant when he said ”large numbers”.
The reply to heron’s questions:
1 hour ago, jive turkey said:
OK. Here's the top 10 killers in the US for 2019. You'll find a couple in there. They're not the only ones that kill in large numbers but there's a start:
Heart disease: 659,041
Cancer: 599,601
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 173,040
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 156,979
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 150,005
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,499
Diabetes: 87,647
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 51,565
Influenza and pneumonia: 49,783
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,511
And please don't try to qualify corona by saying "ONLY x number of people died from blank"
There are not plenty of contagious diseases, ”killing in large numbers” on your list. You say ”it’s a start”. What are the other infectious diseases that kill in large numbers [that you don’t have any mandates in place to try to mitigate their spread]?
Seriously, you do this a lot. Start talking about one thing and then just change it or twist it around, and end up talking about something different. Do you think you’ve made a point? Is this just an attempt to keep posters confused? Is it simply an attempt to hide the fact that you don’t actually have an answer to heron’s question?
You made the claim that there are ”plenty of other contagious diseases killing in large numbers” and now you don’t have any facts to back up that claim.
Your arguments aren’t logical. In this case you claimed that there are plenty more ? out there, and just served us a bowl of ?, thinking we wouldn’t notice the difference or alternatively think you offered an adequate response.
The following has been pointed out to you several times but you seem unable to appreciate the distinction. The illness a person with diabetes or cancer had does not pose a threat to other people in their vicinity. Covid-19 is different.
The reason that Covid is in a category of its own, is that it has killed and still kills a very large number of human beings + it’s an highly transmissible respiratory disease + the large number of people being infected at the same time is threatening to overwhelm healthcare systems + it has had a very negative impact on the world economy.
None of us have experienced a pandemic like this one in our lifetimes. It requires a completely different response compared to what would be needed to for example attempting to lower the population incidence of type 2 diabetes, or even lowering flu deaths.
How come you added ”please don’t try to qualify Corona by saying that only x number of people died from blank”? Are you arguing that the amount of morbidity and mortality an infectious disease generates is beside the point and not a factor? Do you think the response should be the same if infectious disease A has an R0 of 2 and an IFR of 0.003% and 91% of the population are vaccinated against A and infectious disease B har an R0 of 10 and an IFR of 10%, with only 21% vaccinated?
The numbers involved matter.
Unless you can come up with more examples of infectious diseases currently killing a large number of people in the U.S., and I don’t think you will, all you’ve really done with your reply to heron is imply that the flu and Covid-19 are somehow a similar threat to public health and should be the target of similar mitigation efforts and mandates.
Politically conservative medical professionals and republicans in general are all joining that new religion, GHDS, Groundhog Day Syndrome! And, they keep thinking that their beliefs are the same as everyone else's.
Apparently we all start a new day, every day and we completely forget about the things they said and did, so it's driving them insane why the gaslighting that works on them, doesn't work on us!
I mean it's an excellent religion overall, if you don't believe in the law and think science is bunk! And if you could follow their one commandment of....
Hypocrisy today and Hypocrisy tomorrow!
it's actually the best religion going, Barr, none ?????!
I think both sides of politics are hypocrites and the vaccine should have never become the political pawn it has turned into but that’s just me.
I know equal number of vaccinated and unvaccinated people on each side of the fence. I also remember some very specific people of one party saying they would not take the vaccine if a particular someone was in office when it came out….I’m pretty sure they got their vaccine before those on the frontlines did….after all, politicians and a few of their select favored workers were more important to keep healthy and alive than the doctors, nurses, and other healthcare personnel that had already been through almost a year in hell because of this damn mutant virus. Who would be able to worry about global warming if they had to wait their turn like everyone else. Many of their policies with COVID19 have been rules for thee and but not for me…as seen on video footage.
Oh well, can’t fix stupid. Get the vaccine, don’t get the vaccine, whatever. Those who haven’t are starting to feel the consequences, sometimes in the form of of very bad infection. And then those of us who got the vaccine can only pray that if we get a breakthrough infection-and there have been many, that it keeps us out of the hospital….or never leave our house and eventually go insane under self imposed house arrest.
Completely disgusted by both sides. Sorry if that turned into a rant. I keep the TV turned off. Hubby turns on the news. I was working from my home office today when the power went off. My 11 year old ran into the room asking if the Taliban was here for us. Anyone who thinks everything isn’t screwed up needs to open their eyes. The world has be messed up for a long time.
I think both sides of politics are hypocrites and the vaccine should have never become the political pawn it has turned into but that’s just me.
Completely disgusted by both sides.
My 11 year old ran into the room asking if the Taliban was here for us. Anyone who thinks everything isn’t screwed up needs to open their eyes. The world has be messed up for a long time.
You're not alone, the feeling is mutual.
It seems like there always needs to be an issue to be divided over and be angry about.
Republican vs Democrat
BLM vs all lives matter
Pro vax vs anti vax.
LOL it's the Talibán here to get us! Poor baby he meant that didn't he
It seems like there always needs to be an issue to be divided over and be angry about.
Republican vs Democrat
BLM vs all lives matter
Pro vax vs anti vax.
LOL it's the Talibán here to get us! Poor baby he meant that didn't he
She sure did. Took some convincing it was just some squirrels on the power lines or something again. Have to be careful what children see on TV. It used to be that they couldn’t rationalize facts from fiction. Now it’s trying to explain….how the heck does someone explain THAT??? It’s actually happening….. “Don’t listen to the news honey. You’re safe at home. Now let’s get back to your school work while momma tries to figure out how to hookup the hotspot on her phone to her work computer and call back the patient that just got disconnected”….I wish for a time when all we had to worry about was having electricity not interrupted by little creatures walking on the lines…that time feels so long ago. Now I just feel OLD.
OK. Here's the top 10 killers in the US for 2019. You'll find a couple in there. They're not the only ones that kill in large numbers but there's a start:
Heart disease: 659,041
Cancer: 599,601
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 173,040
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 156,979
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 150,005
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,499
Diabetes: 87,647
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 51,565
Influenza and pneumonia: 49,783
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,511
And please don't try to qualify corona by saying "ONLY x number of people died from blank"
Not a contagious disease to be found on this list. This is where your analogy breaks down when discussing extreme measures for controlling a pandemic. This has been pointed out to you before.
Macawake beat me to it - and much better. Thank, Mac!
OK. Here's the top 10 killers in the US for 2019. You'll find a couple in there. They're not the only ones that kill in large numbers but there's a start:
Heart disease: 659,041
Cancer: 599,601
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 173,040
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 156,979
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 150,005
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,499
Diabetes: 87,647
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 51,565
Influenza and pneumonia: 49,783
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,511
And please don't try to qualify corona by saying "ONLY x number of people died from blank"
Most of those diseases among people who have one or more of those are also susceptible to COVID-19. What are you trying to imply? Share, share your thoughts.
¿Do nothing?
There are people died in their sleep. Should include that, too.
Not a contagious disease to be found on this list. This is where your analogy breaks down when discussing extreme measures for controlling a pandemic. This has been pointed out to you before.
Macawake beat me to it - and much better. Thank, Mac!
Influenza is on the list. But you are correct that most are not.
OK. Here's the top 10 killers in the US for 2019. You'll find a couple in there. They're not the only ones that kill in large numbers but there's a start:
Heart disease: 659,041
Cancer: 599,601
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 173,040
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 156,979
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 150,005
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,499
Diabetes: 87,647
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 51,565
Influenza and pneumonia: 49,783
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,511
And please don't try to qualify corona by saying "ONLY x number of people died from blank"
Why have cops? Military? Those jobs can cause deaths,too.
Not a contagious disease to be found on this list. This is where your analogy breaks down when discussing extreme measures for controlling a pandemic. This has been pointed out to you before.
Macawake beat me to it - and much better. Thank, Mac!
I see, so:
influenza isn't contagious?
Lower respiratory infections aren't contagious?
Pneumonia overlaps
So get your facts straight before trying to criticize anybody.?
Most of those diseases among people who have one or more of those are also susceptible to COVID-19. What are you trying to imply? Share, share your thoughts.
¿Do nothing?
There are people died in their sleep. Should include that, too.
Those were already killing people long before COVID came out so don't give me that. There are moments where people are so ambitious to be argumentative they respond without having their facts together.
I specifically said "don't mistake what I'm about to tell you to mean we should stop making an effort to curb this disease"
Therefore it made no sense to ask me if we should ?Do nothing?
Let me know when there's a drug that can stop people from dying in their sleep then we can discuss that again.
The question was why are we not as proactive stopping other diseases as COVID? Why fewer or no mandates for them (aside from flu shots in some places)
Are you going to tell me "well only x people died from the flu, and COVID killed more than that"
If so, give me a number of deaths you think is enough.
19 minutes ago, Honyebee said:
Why have cops? Military? Those jobs can cause deaths,too.
How many can you add?
See above.
Listen folks, I realize I lit a fire under some of your kiesters by having a different perspective than you. At least make sure you know what you're replying to and what was already said before making your comments hmm?
Those were already killing people long before COVID came out so don't give me that. There are moments where people are so ambitious to be argumentative they respond without having their facts together.
I specifically said "don't mistake what I'm about to tell you to mean we should stop making an effort to curb this disease"
Therefore it made no sense to ask me if we should ?Do nothing?
Let me know when there's a drug that can stop people from dying in their sleep then we can discuss that again.
The question was why are we not as proactive stopping other diseases as COVID? Why fewer or no mandates for them (aside from flu shots in some places)
Are you going to tell me "well only x people died from the flu, and COVID killed more than that"
If so, give me a number of deaths you think is enough.
See above.
Listen folks, I realize I lit a fire under some of your kiesters by having a different perspective than you. At least make sure you know what you're replying to and what was already said before making your comments hmm?
Well, think about what you're delivering in public.
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OK. Here's the top 10 killers in the US for 2019. You'll find a couple in there. They're not the only ones that kill in large numbers but there's a start:
Heart disease: 659,041
Cancer: 599,601
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 173,040
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 156,979
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 150,005
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,499
Diabetes: 87,647
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 51,565
Influenza and pneumonia: 49,783
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,511
And please don't try to qualify corona by saying "ONLY x number of people died from blank"