I am an Oncology nurse working for a hospital for more than 13 years. I live in California and there is now a mandate in place that is requiring me to be vaccinated before Sept. 30th or I will be terminated from my job. Not only do I not feel comfortable to receive a EUV that no long term studies have been documented because it is too new and not FDA approved but I have also witnessed friends as well as patients having severe side effects after receiving vaccination.
I am unclear how an employer has the LEGAL RIGHT to ask me personal questions about my religious beliefs or medical information (vaccination status), where are my HIPAA Rights. Employer vaccine mandates are subject to religious accommodation under the Title VII of the Civil rights act. For personal reasons I will be submitting for religious exemption to hopefully prevent me from losing my job.
I'm not sure what the outcome will be but I am planning to seek employment elsewhere in case I do lose my job and likely it won't be in healthcare. I don't know if this will be the end of my nursing career and if it is I feel extremely sad about that.
What happened to the phrase " my body my choice " ?
I will not be forced to do anything to my body that I do not choose.
Through scripture we know that God values our bodies. Our bodies are said to be a temple of the Holy Spirit, and we are called to take care of and honor God's temple. God's words lead use to use our bodies and the gifts He has given us to achieve the will of God.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
It's pretty clear that the answer to the mystery question is that none of the listed conditions are in pandemic status except covid. Only covid is currently a pandemic affecting all countries and all people.
OK. Here's the top 10 killers in the US for 2019. You'll find a couple in there. They're not the only ones that kill in large numbers but there's a start:
Heart disease: 659,041 - NOT contagious
Cancer: 599,601 - NOT contagious
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 173,040 - NOT contagious
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 156,979- Usually COPD -NOT contagious
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 150,005 NOT contagious
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,499 NOT contagious
Diabetes: 87,647 NOT contagious
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 51,565 NOT contagious
Influenza and pneumonia: 49,783 - Contagious
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,511 NOT contagious
And please don't try to qualify corona by saying "ONLY x number of people died from blank"
I only skimmed comments but from what I can see people are divided on the vaccine. Around half the healthcare workers at my hospital don’t want to get the vaccine, many have already (knowingly) had covid as well. We are mandated to get the vaccine, like you. I’m not going to say whether I’ve got it or not, I will say I think it should be a choice and there are many, many, many who feel like you and I don’t feel like it’s my place to bully you into thinking one way or another. I think the vaccine is altogether a good thing, I think it’s probably good to get it, and I absolutely get why lots of people don’t want to. What I think is absolutely terrible is the divide it’s created among healthcare workers, nurses in particular - and to get even more specific - hospital nurses. I think the bullying is absurd. I think people lashing out on both sides is pointless. I think we should all treat each other with respect - we all have that darn RN behind our name, right? On another note, I’ve heard many people say they will seek employment elsewhere, or that they will leave nursing altogether. Quite frankly, I feel nursing has turned into quite a fiasco and I wish I, myself, could think of something with close to equal pay to do instead of nursing. Between being short staffed, not having enough support or resources, and then all this covid bs and working in an environment where nurses are literally being forced to take a vaccine or lose their job - I am looking for a job outside of the hospital. If I can ever afford to leave nursing I probably would, that’s sad to say but the career of nursing keeps changing its dynamics, and not in a good way.
So get your facts straight before trying to criticize anybody.?
Responding to your posts I have often wondered if your reading comprehension is poor or if you deliberately misrepresent facts?
Your previous post listed CHRONIC LOWER RESPIRATORY DISEASES as the fourth-leading cause of death in the U.S. in 2019. It does NOT say respiratory INFECTIONS.
Chronic lower respiratory diseases are things like COPD, pulmonary hypertension, asthma and occupational lung diseases.
You already have influenza and pneumonia listed as one of the top ten causes of death. Which respiratory disease did you figure could have made it all the way up the list to the number four spot?
Even if you weren’t aware that chronic respiratory disease usually means COPD and the like, if you had applied even a small amount of critical thinking and basic nursing knowledge, it would have been obvious that the fourth most common cause of death in the U.S. in the pre-pandemic era, wasn’t an infectious respiratory disease.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
6 minutes ago, saltymermaid said:
I think we should all treat each other with respect - we all have that darn RN behind our name, right?
It's not a given that members or readers here are RNS. Further, it is disrespectful to work in close contact with others while refusing to vaccinate against a deadly contagion that is currently in pandemic status. It's also not evidence of critical thought, sound reasoning or altruism.
Specializes in Psych, Addictions, SOL (Student of Life).
10 hours ago, jive turkey said:
OK check this out.
Outside of doing your job or caring for a loved one, would you want to hang around someone dx with a LRI? let them cough or sneeze near you and with no mask? Would you still say "well its not specific enough to prove contagion so its cool"?
I don't mean to be rude. I just don't understand why people are being dismissive about it or countering whether or not they're contagious and straying from my original question of why aren't we as proactive about other contagious diseases as COVID.
Well all the years my son with asthma had LRI and URI I took care od him without wearing a mask andup until the current emergency it was not common proctice to wear masks when caring for these patients in the hospital.
Specializes in Physiology, CM, consulting, nsg edu, LNC, COB.
Waaaal, cowboy, I guess you could count malaria.... but that's not communicable human-to-human as a resp disease. Though there are some cases in the southern swampy US areas, it's not a big factor in, say, Sturgis, NYC, Plano, Omaha, Charlottesville, ...
Ummmm, lessee now.
Ebola, but not exactly killing the hundreds of thousands here that the vaccine-useful COVID is, and not respiratory. Hard to be "unknowingly" exposed to someone who is bleeding from every orifice, too.
There's TB in the US, and resistant strains are out there, and it's respiratory, but many people make their own antibodies to it and it's not killing hundreds of thousands either.
HIV/AIDS is almost a chronic disease now, thank god, and again, not respiratory.
1. I asked a question. Why are we more proactive about this infection than others? I would ask the same question about other causes of death but everyone uses the "its not contagious" counter. I won't even go there what I think about that counterargument
2.They were getting people before the pandemic. So I'm not understanding your point. Anybody can get a LRI just like anybody can get COVID.
3. As for my goals, specifically as it relates to my participation on this forum:
Originally it was to hear perspectives from other nurses. I hoped to hear new information, possibly learn from peers, and have a respectful debate considering there was conflicting information available despite all recommendations to take the vaccine anyway.
After seeing how hostile people were being over the issue, I had a goal of dissuading medical professionals from shaming, disrespecting, and being rude to people hesitant about the vaccine. I've mentioned many times there are those who go from hesitant to refusal in response to insensitive comments and unrelenting pressure made by vaccine supporters especially those in the medical field
4. I see no correlation between an individual making a career choice and disease to answer your question.
I know I am "hostile." I don't care about your feelings fyi.
Treating covid like those deaths you have cited is wicked and malicious. For me, it sounds to let the covid take care of those people who have CAD, DM, or diseases that predispose them to covid19 because they chose their lifestyles and that burden... Your suggestions are malicious and dangerous.
Get vaccinated or stay out of healthcare. There's no "force" is involved in this logic. There's a choice. The other one is just not the favorite choice.
Those were already killing people long before COVID came out so don't give me that. There are moments where people are so ambitious to be argumentative they respond without having their facts together.
I specifically said "don't mistake what I'm about to tell you to mean we should stop making an effort to curb this disease"
Therefore it made no sense to ask me if we should ?Do nothing?
Let me know when there's a drug that can stop people from dying in their sleep then we can discuss that again.
The question was why are we not as proactive stopping other diseases as COVID? Why fewer or no mandates for them (aside from flu shots in some places)
Are you going to tell me "well only x people died from the flu, and COVID killed more than that"
If so, give me a number of deaths you think is enough.
See above.
Listen folks, I realize I lit a fire under some of your kiesters by having a different perspective than you. At least make sure you know what you're replying to and what was already said before making your comments hmm?
No, you're telling the public about those deaths. How are they relevant to these COVID-19 viruses, isolation, choices of being vaccines or not, and vaccines?
What is your motive and intention for including those comorbidities with the COVID-19? For me, it translates to let the covid go nuts. I'm fine. Once I have it, I have the virus. It doesn't kill me. Evidently, nobody in my sphere at home got the COVID-19 infected. They worked in churches. They are now opting for the antibody tests but too late. (They didn't want the COVID-19 shots but took them. I didn't force or told them to do so. I told them the pros and cons. I encouraged them to phone their doctors or people they trust. They aren't stupid about this COVID-19 because some people they knew got it and were hospitalized).
I know I am "hostile." I don't care about your feelings fyi.
You aren't potent enough to have any bearing on my personal feelings FYI.
I'm perfectly fine with disagreeing, learning, and being corrected. I don't get angry with anyone having a different view point. The same can't be said for many of you.
What happens when you and other posters are more focused on personal attacks than rational debate, and being "hostile" as you just owned, you stray away from exchanging useful information nurturing your desire to be hostile.
I don't have time to waste satisfying your need to feel empowered
So you can respectfully kick rocks. Added to the list of people who's responses I can't see.
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It's pretty clear that the answer to the mystery question is that none of the listed conditions are in pandemic status except covid. Only covid is currently a pandemic affecting all countries and all people.