I am an Oncology nurse working for a hospital for more than 13 years. I live in California and there is now a mandate in place that is requiring me to be vaccinated before Sept. 30th or I will be terminated from my job. Not only do I not feel comfortable to receive a EUV that no long term studies have been documented because it is too new and not FDA approved but I have also witnessed friends as well as patients having severe side effects after receiving vaccination.
I am unclear how an employer has the LEGAL RIGHT to ask me personal questions about my religious beliefs or medical information (vaccination status), where are my HIPAA Rights. Employer vaccine mandates are subject to religious accommodation under the Title VII of the Civil rights act. For personal reasons I will be submitting for religious exemption to hopefully prevent me from losing my job.
I'm not sure what the outcome will be but I am planning to seek employment elsewhere in case I do lose my job and likely it won't be in healthcare. I don't know if this will be the end of my nursing career and if it is I feel extremely sad about that.
What happened to the phrase " my body my choice " ?
I will not be forced to do anything to my body that I do not choose.
Through scripture we know that God values our bodies. Our bodies are said to be a temple of the Holy Spirit, and we are called to take care of and honor God's temple. God's words lead use to use our bodies and the gifts He has given us to achieve the will of God.
On 8/19/2021 at 5:34 PM, jive turkey said:I'd like to ask you and anyone else reading an interesting question on a philosophical level and being totally neutral.
If unable to answer without being rude or launching insults please ignore.
I'll start by asking:
Would you agree everyone should vaccinate so the vaccinated can enjoy the freedom of interacting with the world without fear of infection?
No, I cannot be neutral about nurses refusing to get vaccinated. The large majority of people who are too sick to be vaccinated are unable to work as nurses. Switzerland was neutral during the war and glad to deposit the art and gold teeth that the Nazis brought them for safe-keeping. Sometimes neutral is reprehensible.
On 8/22/2021 at 7:12 PM, jive turkey said:Now I'm starting to feel sorry for you.
I say it'll be unfortunate if we don't bring this to an end and the vaccine ends up being something e have to do indefinitely and you reply with 900 links to "educate" me about whether or not there will be one..
Duh! I can already tell without reading any scholarly articles this is shaping up to requiring boosters. I wasn't being naive to the fact so let me simplify it even more for you
"It'll be unfortunate if we don't get lucky enough to bring this virus to and end and not need life long immunizations"
That's why I feel sorry for you. Every time I say something you don't like or agree with you can't just make your point or share information, you weaken yourself to the point of finding a personal attack to launch in there. In this case you misunderstood me and went on a tangent. Kick rocks.
See above.
I answered a specific point you made but you still turn it around so that somehow it is my fault. I'm sorry that I'm more intelligent and better informed than you are. I'm sorry that you seem unable to grasp even the most basic stuff without whining and moaning about being "bullied" when with even the slightest reading comprehension you would understand that this is not, and has never been, the case.
It was 4 links not 900. I can't decide if you are exaggerating for effect or if you are really one of those people who count 1, 2, 3, many.
25 minutes ago, GrumpyRN said:I answered a specific point you made but you still turn it around so that somehow it is my fault. I'm sorry that I'm more intelligent and better informed than you are. I'm sorry that you seem unable to grasp even the most basic stuff without whining and moaning about being "bullied" when with even the slightest reading comprehension you would understand that this is not, and has never been, the case.
It was 4 links not 900. I can't decide if you are exaggerating for effect or if you are really one of those people who count 1, 2, 3, many.
The same person who criticized me for thinking I was superior is sitting here claiming to be.?
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More intelligent than me is doubtful.
I may consider funnier!
Grump this is about the 5th time you've made your replies personal. If Your arguments were superior to mine then insults wouldn't be relied upon as a crutch.
I won't be entertaining anything else you have to say. I won't even be able to see them.
Cheerio!
4 minutes ago, jive turkey said:I won't be entertaining anything else you have to say. I won't even be able to see them.
Cheerio!
And my work here is done.
ETA,
I know you will still get notifications that I have posted and I just know that it will drive you up the wall enough that you will have to look. ????
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I am unclear how an employer has the LEGAL RIGHT to ask me personal questions about my religious beliefs or medical information (vaccination status), where are my HIPAA Rights. Employer vaccine mandates are subject to religious accommodation under the Title VII of the Civil rights act. For personal reasons I will be submitting for religious exemption to hopefully prevent me from losing my job
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1. HIPAA has nothing to do with it. I suggest you go to OCR.gov and read the actual rule. It's very clearly written.
2. There is no religion's doctrine that includes vaccine refusal as an obligation. None. Even Christian Scientists and Adventists get vaccines. So I'm curious-- what religion do you follow that you think does? "I don't like it" or "My pastor says so" is not a religious doctrine.
Read all the way to the bottom for the COMPLETE story, including the concept of undue burden and de minimis. https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/questions-and-answers-religious-discrimination-workplace
On 8/18/2021 at 8:42 PM, momoneypls said:these behaviors are not contagious and imminently dangerous to those who come to you for help
Don't mistake what I'm about to tell you to mean we should stop making an effort to curb this disease:
People still die from those behaviors in large numbers
The healthcare system and the associated costs are burdened with it too
There's plenty of other contagious diseases killing in large numbers being spread unknowingly.
Why are we not as proactive about those as this one? Why no mandates for those diseases but this one?
3 hours ago, jive turkey said:Don't mistake what I'm about to tell you to mean we should stop making an effort to curb this disease:
People still die from those behaviors in large numbers
The healthcare system and the associated costs are burdened with it too
There's plenty of other contagious diseases killing in large numbers being spread unknowingly.
Why are we not as proactive about those as this one? Why no mandates for those diseases but this one?
And what diseases would those be?
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I have been a nurse for many years. When the month arrives for TB and flu shot, we just got it without question. I would think that you would be compromising your fragile patients health by working in oncology.