I am an Oncology nurse working for a hospital for more than 13 years. I live in California and there is now a mandate in place that is requiring me to be vaccinated before Sept. 30th or I will be terminated from my job. Not only do I not feel comfortable to receive a EUV that no long term studies have been documented because it is too new and not FDA approved but I have also witnessed friends as well as patients having severe side effects after receiving vaccination.
I am unclear how an employer has the LEGAL RIGHT to ask me personal questions about my religious beliefs or medical information (vaccination status), where are my HIPAA Rights. Employer vaccine mandates are subject to religious accommodation under the Title VII of the Civil rights act. For personal reasons I will be submitting for religious exemption to hopefully prevent me from losing my job.
I'm not sure what the outcome will be but I am planning to seek employment elsewhere in case I do lose my job and likely it won't be in healthcare. I don't know if this will be the end of my nursing career and if it is I feel extremely sad about that.
What happened to the phrase " my body my choice " ?
I will not be forced to do anything to my body that I do not choose.
Through scripture we know that God values our bodies. Our bodies are said to be a temple of the Holy Spirit, and we are called to take care of and honor God's temple. God's words lead use to use our bodies and the gifts He has given us to achieve the will of God.
I would say it's less of them doing whatever they want and more that its simply the law doesn't prohibit them from terminating for vaccination.
This disease has become so mainstream and polarizing, businesses likely feel its in their best interest to require it rather than be the black sheep that didn't mandate it, and get sued later after someone figures a crafty way to blame their infection on them.
My husband works for a medical manufacturer servicing OR equipment. They got a letter stating many hospitals are requiring vaccination to allow entrance for service from their supervisor. Basically, if they work in field service and do not get the vaccine and therefore cannot enter the facility they may have no choice but to terminate them as they cannot utilize them to work. My husband was vaccinated (because I pushed his butt into line when his turn was up) but probably wouldn’t have otherwise out of pure ignorance. His coworkers, let’s just say between now an December he may be missing a few friends in the field. They are serious about mandating this thing and for good reason-so many lives have been lost, it’s super contagious-and now the vaccine is having a lot of breakthrough infections-what the hell?
I want this to be over back in say early 2020. Now we are in the second half of 2021 and we are just hoping the vaccines keep us out of the hospital? And still nothing for those under 12? I really feel for those working at the bedside…you get a vaccine, feel a sense of security, and now that security feels like it’s slipping away….
My last grocery order for delivery was like trying to sign up for the vaccine in the early days….try again later for more slots….last week it took 4 days. Beginning of the pandemic this was a lot easier….either less people willing to deliver or a much higher demand. My husband and I were vaccinated early this year. My daughter is still not eligible at age 11. I do not want to risk exposure and bring it home and I really don’t know how my lungs would handle it…a cold can come close to placing me in the hospital…I really don’t want to play with this virus.
My husband works for a medical manufacturer servicing OR equipment. They got a letter stating many hospitals are requiring vaccination to allow entrance for service from their supervisor. Basically, if they work in field service and do not get the vaccine and therefore cannot enter the facility they may have no choice but to terminate them as they cannot utilize them to work. My husband was vaccinated (because I pushed his butt into line when his turn was up) but probably wouldn’t have otherwise out of pure ignorance. His coworkers, let’s just say between now an December he may be missing a few friends in the field. They are serious about mandating this thing and for good reason-so many lives have been lost, it’s super contagious-and now the vaccine is having a lot of breakthrough infections-what the hell?
I want this to be over back in say early 2020. Now we are in the second half of 2021 and we are just hoping the vaccines keep us out of the hospital? And still nothing for those under 12? I really feel for those working at the bedside…you get a vaccine, feel a sense of security, and now that security feels like it’s slipping away….
My last grocery order for delivery was like trying to sign up for the vaccine in the early days….try again later for more slots….last week it took 4 days. Beginning of the pandemic this was a lot easier….either less people willing to deliver or a much higher demand. My husband and I were vaccinated early this year. My daughter is still not eligible at age 11. I do not want to risk exposure and bring it home and I really don’t know how my lungs would handle it…a cold can come close to placing me in the hospital…I really don’t want to play with this virus.
That will prove to be very unfortunate if the vaccine in the future turns out not to bring this to an end were we end up with efficacy similar to flu vaccines having to do them indefinitely every year or sooner.
That will prove to be very unfortunate if the vaccine in the future turns out not to bring this to an end were we end up with efficacy similar to flu vaccines having to do them indefinitely every year or sooner.
"A person's immunity always drops to some degree following immunization or natural infection, said Dr. Greg Poland, director of the Vaccine Research Group at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn.
But will your immunity against COVID fade quickly, as it does with the flu or the common cold, or will it last longer as it does in diseases like measles or whooping cough?
"Antibody levels fall over time. That is true for every single vaccine that we give," Poland said. "We've never immunized against coronaviruses before, so that question is really open-ended."
People's immunity against seasonal coronaviruses -- those that cause the common cold -- fades quickly. That's why you can catch a cold again and again.
But the vaccines developed against the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which causes COVID, appear to be creating high levels of antibodies that protect even as they wane."
I seriously thought this stuff was basic and well known, OF COURSE WE WILL NEED YEARLY BOOSTER SHOTS OF COVID VACCINE FOR VULNERABLE PEOPLE! Just like we need yearly flu shots. If perhaps as many people as possible took the vaccine then we might have got on top of this and killed it off but with so many muppets claiming "freedom" and refusing basic health measures this virus will continue to develop and we will continue to get new variants.
As you see, I have given you links to where I have received my information, however, as you will notice a couple of them are not scientific papers. Before you use that against me there is a reason.
That reason is simple. I am unconvinced you are a nurse or otherwise medical so I thought I would keep it simple so that they are easy to follow.
If you have ANY articles, or papers that show anything different to what I indicated please link to them. Remember, conspiracy theory or other wingnut stuff will be dismissed out of hand.
That will prove to be very unfortunate if the vaccine in the future turns out not to bring this to an end were we end up with efficacy similar to flu vaccines having to do them indefinitely every year or sooner.
It will never be brought to an end if the majority of the world's population isn't vaccinated. While we are contemplating booster shots, major areas of the world are unvaccinated, providing lovely conditions for another variant to emerge.
I intend to get a booster of a whole virus vaccine if it becomes available, since I have had Moderna's and I can't see a possible reason for a booster of that one again.
Unless my biology education is all screwed up, Rna is targeting the spike protein which from my recollection means permanent memory protection for the Tcells and future antibodies. However it's only for spike protein recognition. I want an unattenuated virus vaccine to cover all bases re antibodies for future infections reducing the need for maybe annual boosters. It's also more likely to increase my nasal antibody defense as far as I remember.
Please correct me if I am wrong. All information is helpful.
"A person's immunity always drops to some degree following immunization or natural infection, said Dr. Greg Poland, director of the Vaccine Research Group at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn.
But will your immunity against COVID fade quickly, as it does with the flu or the common cold, or will it last longer as it does in diseases like measles or whooping cough?
"Antibody levels fall over time. That is true for every single vaccine that we give," Poland said. "We've never immunized against coronaviruses before, so that question is really open-ended."
People's immunity against seasonal coronaviruses -- those that cause the common cold -- fades quickly. That's why you can catch a cold again and again.
But the vaccines developed against the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which causes COVID, appear to be creating high levels of antibodies that protect even as they wane."
I seriously thought this stuff was basic and well known, OF COURSE WE WILL NEED YEARLY BOOSTER SHOTS OF COVID VACCINE FOR VULNERABLE PEOPLE! Just like we need yearly flu shots. If perhaps as many people as possible took the vaccine then we might have got on top of this and killed it off but with so many muppets claiming "freedom" and refusing basic health measures this virus will continue to develop and we will continue to get new variants.
As you see, I have given you links to where I have received my information, however, as you will notice a few of them are not scientific papers. Before you use that against me there is a reason.
That reason is simple. I am unconvinced you are a nurse or otherwise medical so I thought I would keep it simple so that they are easy to follow.
If you have ANY articles, or papers that show anything different to what I indicated please link to them. Remember, conspiracy theory or other wingnut stuff will be dismissed out of hand.
That will prove to be very unfortunate if the vaccine in the future turns out not to bring this to an end were we end up with efficacy similar to flu vaccines having to do them indefinitely every year or sooner.
Well, yeah. We've been told from the beginning that this virus not going away (no cure for viruses currently but drugs are being tested now) and that we will have to learn to live with it. There was never any promise that the vaccine would bring Covid to an end - only that we would be able to contain it enough to restore near nomal living conditions. I'm beginning to agree with Grumpy that you are not a nurse and will try to be more patient with you in the future:)
Politically conservative medical professionals and republicans in general are all joining that new religion, GHDS, Groundhog Day Syndrome! And, they keep thinking that their beliefs are the same as everyone else's.
Apparently we all start a new day, every day and we completely forget about the things they said and did, so it's driving them insane why the gaslighting that works on them, doesn't work on us!
I mean it's an excellent religion overall, if you don't believe in the law and think science is bunk! And if you could follow their one commandment of....
Hypocrisy today and Hypocrisy tomorrow!
it's actually the best religion going, Barr, none ?????!
That reason is simple. I am unconvinced you are a nurse or otherwise medical so I thought I would keep it simple so that they are easy to follow.
Now I'm starting to feel sorry for you.
I say it'll be unfortunate if we don't bring this to an end and the vaccine ends up being something e have to do indefinitely and you reply with 900 links to "educate" me about whether or not there will be one..
Duh! I can already tell without reading any scholarly articles this is shaping up to requiring boosters. I wasn't being naive to the fact so let me simplify it even more for you
"It'll be unfortunate if we don't get lucky enough to bring this virus to and end and not need life long immunizations"
That's why I feel sorry for you. Every time I say something you don't like or agree with you can't just make your point or share information, you weaken yourself to the point of finding a personal attack to launch in there. In this case you misunderstood me and went on a tangent. Kick rocks.
On 8/22/2021 at 11:40 AM, klone said:
Of course we will all have to get regular boosters - I thought that was a given.
Well, yeah. We've been told from the beginning that this virus not going away (no cure for viruses currently but drugs are being tested now) and that we will have to learn to live with it. There was never any promise that the vaccine would bring Covid to an end - only that we would be able to contain it enough to restore near nomal living conditions. I'm beginning to agree with Grumpy that you are not a nurse and will try to be more patient with you in the future:)
I suspect you and @GrumpyRN are possibly so irritated with my posts in general for going against the grain that you read that with malice. I can't say what you think or feel it just looks that way
I already knew we were facing a potentially mutating virus that would need boosters. What I said wasn't to convey being clueless about that.
You guys misunderstood my point, so where you need to demonstrate patience is with realizing text is often misunderstood as is the case here.
I've had every possible bodily fluid projected on me, poked with dirty needles, nearly assaulted, and done enough chest compressions to be sure I'm a nurse.
One of the greatest strengths a nurse has is demonstrating kindness and compassion even in the face of information we may find absurd. In the face of COVID and discussions thereof on this site posters like you and grumpy to name a few have demonstrated a lack of proficiency in this regard. I feel sorry for you.
Watch this then come back and learn how to share disagreements civilly
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
12 minutes ago, jive turkey said:
One of the greatest strengths a nurse has is demonstrating kindness and compassion even in the face of information we may find obsurd. In the face of COVID and discussions thereof on this site posters like you and grumpy to name a few have demostrasted a lack of proficiency in this regard. I feel sorry for you.
In your opinion.
Meanwhile, every person who has been previously infected with covid should vaccinate ASAP. The vaccines are safe and effective. Noncompliance with safe public health recommendations is irresponsible civic and professional behavior and will likely negatively impact employment opportunities with greater frequency as we move forward in this pandemic.
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My husband works for a medical manufacturer servicing OR equipment. They got a letter stating many hospitals are requiring vaccination to allow entrance for service from their supervisor. Basically, if they work in field service and do not get the vaccine and therefore cannot enter the facility they may have no choice but to terminate them as they cannot utilize them to work. My husband was vaccinated (because I pushed his butt into line when his turn was up) but probably wouldn’t have otherwise out of pure ignorance. His coworkers, let’s just say between now an December he may be missing a few friends in the field. They are serious about mandating this thing and for good reason-so many lives have been lost, it’s super contagious-and now the vaccine is having a lot of breakthrough infections-what the hell?
I want this to be over back in say early 2020. Now we are in the second half of 2021 and we are just hoping the vaccines keep us out of the hospital? And still nothing for those under 12? I really feel for those working at the bedside…you get a vaccine, feel a sense of security, and now that security feels like it’s slipping away….
My last grocery order for delivery was like trying to sign up for the vaccine in the early days….try again later for more slots….last week it took 4 days. Beginning of the pandemic this was a lot easier….either less people willing to deliver or a much higher demand. My husband and I were vaccinated early this year. My daughter is still not eligible at age 11. I do not want to risk exposure and bring it home and I really don’t know how my lungs would handle it…a cold can come close to placing me in the hospital…I really don’t want to play with this virus.