I am an Oncology nurse working for a hospital for more than 13 years. I live in California and there is now a mandate in place that is requiring me to be vaccinated before Sept. 30th or I will be terminated from my job. Not only do I not feel comfortable to receive a EUV that no long term studies have been documented because it is too new and not FDA approved but I have also witnessed friends as well as patients having severe side effects after receiving vaccination.
I am unclear how an employer has the LEGAL RIGHT to ask me personal questions about my religious beliefs or medical information (vaccination status), where are my HIPAA Rights. Employer vaccine mandates are subject to religious accommodation under the Title VII of the Civil rights act. For personal reasons I will be submitting for religious exemption to hopefully prevent me from losing my job.
I'm not sure what the outcome will be but I am planning to seek employment elsewhere in case I do lose my job and likely it won't be in healthcare. I don't know if this will be the end of my nursing career and if it is I feel extremely sad about that.
What happened to the phrase " my body my choice " ?
I will not be forced to do anything to my body that I do not choose.
Through scripture we know that God values our bodies. Our bodies are said to be a temple of the Holy Spirit, and we are called to take care of and honor God's temple. God's words lead use to use our bodies and the gifts He has given us to achieve the will of God.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
26 minutes ago, Cathyd241 said:
I just got through explaining that I am looking at actual data and published studies. Who are you to say that this is not credible? I have not been telling"tales" (again, LOVE the snarky judgemental attitudes). The problem is that people will not even look at it. Everyone, including you, seems to have already made up their minds about what is truth and have no desire to seek further. And yes, it's unfortunate that even our physicians seem to have gone along with it. I have sent research articles to my own PCP to review, but I doubt he will. Even if he did change his mind, he is "owned" by the corporate healthcare system he works for.
You haven't actually shared any credible evidence to support your dangerous attitude about remaining unvaccinated during a pandemic. You've simply decided to believe the opinions of unaccountable people. Do you know why?
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
8 minutes ago, Cathyd241 said:
Like I said, there is other scientific evidence out there...you just have to be willing to look for it and read it. That's all I have to say about that. I only replied to this thread to respond to the poor nurse who was looking for support but instead was verbally attacked by others, and I ended up getting attacked myself.
You aren't being attacked...the dangerous and scientifically unfounded beliefs about covid vaccines are being attacked...you can choose to believe the credible science instead but for some reason you aren't willing to accept the credible science and opinions. Do you know why?
Listen, you seem to know a lot.. I'm sure you are smart enough to find this stuff for yourself. I only responded to this thread because I wanted to support the poster after she had been attacked. I wasn't looking to get it into a dialogue with everyone about how credible my facts are. I could get the information to you but that would take time to find it, and I took this day off from work to spend with my daughter, so I'm done here. I've already wasted too much time bantering with people who already know everything
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
26 minutes ago, Cathyd241 said:
Have you ever listened to Del Bigtree on thehighwire.com? That is an excellent place to start. He had been doing research on covid for over a year and the information he has put out is phenomenal.
In this paper, we studied the broadcast of COVID-19-related misinformation by a popular anti-vaccine broadcast, and drew out major themes in the discussion. We explained the similarities between these themes and anti-vaccine misinformation generally. These themes can appeal to people from different walks of life, and can pull people into the alternative world of health misinformation, especially during times of crisis. Scientists and physicians should be cognizant of these misleading claims and their origins, as we collectively are often asked to respond to them.
You are spreading covid misinformation...why? You should stop.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
11 minutes ago, Cathyd241 said:
Listen, you seem to know a lot.. I'm sure you are smart enough to find this stuff for yourself. I only responded to this thread because I wanted to support the poster after she had been attacked. I wasn't looking to get it into a dialogue with everyone about how credible my facts are. I could get the information to you but that would take time to find it, and I took this day off from work to spend with my daughter, so I'm done here. I've already wasted too much time bantering with people who already know everything
Of course you are going to bow out without providing credible support for your assertions...because you don't have credible support for your choice to remain unvaccinated.
Yes, you've clearly already wasted too much of your time on antivaxxers crap like Bigtree and The Highwire. It would be great if you stopped sharing those poorly sourced and dangerous antivaxx opinions and misinformation on public forums. It's unacceptable for a nurse to encourage such poor public health attitudes and thinking for the general public during a pandemic.
Like I said, there is other scientific evidence out there...you just have to be willing to look for it and read it. That's all I have to say about that. I only replied to this thread to respond to the poor nurse who was looking for support but instead was verbally attacked by others, and I ended up getting attacked myself.
You are not getting attacked. Youropinions are. If you had just turned up here to wish OP good luck on her journey and share that you support her, chances are that you wouldn’t have been met with even a tenth of the resistance and pushback that you are encountering now. You were the one who chose to bring up ”people blindly following, how we only follow mainstream media, how there is another truth out there, that we eat our young, that we don’t make an effort to seek out the truth [that you are privy to] etc.”
I am normally quite friendly to posters who ask questions or share scientifically sound information, but I don’t extend that courtesy to purveyors of disinformation.
I also follow the science. What I am saying is that there is science out there that is being censored and hidden. Yes, I do watch podcasts and Youtube, etc... But these people are simply doing the research for me. They point me to peer reviewed studies, research data, and experts in the field who have given witness to their own research. I read these sources of data myself, so I know they are not made up. There is so much out there that people just don't know. It's frustrating because we try to share this knowledge but nobody wants to listen. Everyone seems content in just going along with the narrative. Doesn't it make you wonder even a little why there is so much "vaccine hesitancy", especially amongst healthcare workers? Perhaps there is something they know that you don't. Just saying. Do your own research.
On 8/18/2021 at 12:46 PM, Cathyd241 said:
I just got through explaining that I am looking at actual data and published studies. Who are you to say that this is not credible? I have not been telling"tales" (again, LOVE the snarky judgemental attitudes). The problem is that people will not even look at it. Everyone, including you, seems to have already made up their minds about what is truth and have no desire to seek further. And yes, it's unfortunate that even our physicians seem to have gone along with it. I have sent research articles to my own PCP to review, but I doubt he will. Even if he did change his mind, he is "owned" by the corporate healthcare system he works for.
On 8/18/2021 at 1:12 PM, Cathyd241 said:
Like I said, there is other scientific evidence out there...you just have to be willing to look for it and read it. That's all I have to say about that. I only replied to this thread to respond to the poor nurse who was looking for support but instead was verbally attacked by others, and I ended up getting attacked myself.
+I have bolded a few things so to keep this simple and civil...
You say you have all this research. I personally don't believe it is research, I think it conspiracy nonsense but if you are really convinced it is true then GIVE US A LINK. How hard can it be? YOU are the one making (so far unsubstantiated) claims so prove your point - GIVE US LINKS.
I personally doubt that those of us who got covid last year need a vaccine. That said if you want to or must get the vaccine I would avoid the J&J as it seems to have the most adverse effects. In fact, if I didn't mention earlier a coworker's family member who is also a nurse got guillaine barre after the J&J and is now relearning how to walk with the help of a sit to stand machine. To my knowledge J&J is the only vaccine linked to guillaine barre and yes his doctors told him they believe it was from the vaccine.
So far moderna is supposed to be superior to pfizer for the delta varient so I would choose moderna. I'm waiting for this to become a yearly thing like the flu vaccine. I'm sure the pharmaceuticals are hoping for this to make more money.
Did the 98% of vaccinated physicians ALL participate in a coven to keep the pandemic recirculating because they wanted to be tormented ? What is the purpose of this giant conspiracy in which they participate? Do you anti-vaxxers think you can read a research report better than medical scientists? They are attempting to make you sterile? For what purpose?
Did the 98% of vaccinated physicians ALL participate in a coven to keep the pandemic recirculating because they wanted to be tormented ? What is the purpose of this giant conspiracy in which they participate? Do you anti-vaxxers think you can read a research report better than medical scientists? They are attempting to make you sterile? For what purpose?
Maybe almost everyone in the family is in the gifted school. The governments want to stop them from conquering the future.
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You haven't actually shared any credible evidence to support your dangerous attitude about remaining unvaccinated during a pandemic. You've simply decided to believe the opinions of unaccountable people. Do you know why?