Termination From Employer For Refusing EUV

[RaineyRN7]

I am an Oncology nurse working for a hospital for more than 13 years. I live in California and there is now a mandate in place that is requiring me to be vaccinated before Sept. 30th or I will be terminated from my job. Not only do I not feel comfortable to receive a EUV that no long term studies have been documented because it is too new and not FDA approved but I have also witnessed friends as well as patients having severe side effects after receiving vaccination.

I am unclear how an employer has the LEGAL RIGHT to ask me personal questions about my religious beliefs or medical information (vaccination status), where are my HIPAA Rights. Employer vaccine mandates are subject to religious accommodation under the Title VII of the Civil rights act. For personal reasons I will be submitting for religious exemption to hopefully prevent me from losing my job. 

I'm not sure what the outcome will be but I am planning to seek employment elsewhere in case I do lose my job and likely it won't be in healthcare. I don't know if this will be the end of my nursing career and if it is I feel extremely sad about that. 

What happened to the phrase " my body my choice " ? 

I will not be forced to do anything to my body that I do not choose.

 Through scripture we know that God values our bodies. Our bodies are said to be a temple of the Holy Spirit, and we are called to take care of and honor God's temple. God's words lead use to use our bodies and the gifts He has given us to achieve the will of God.

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

1 hour ago, Honyebee said:

Maybe almost everyone in the family is in the gifted school. The governments want to stop them from conquering the future. 

Sorry,  Honyebee, I am missing what your point is here.  Please re-state.

[iNurs5, CNA]

2 minutes ago, subee said:

Sorry,  Honyebee, I am missing what your point is here.  Please re-state.

I'm referring to those people who think that they're chips in the vaccines.  I'd like some with unlimited data and GPS. ?  

[LokelaniRN]

I am vaccinated. However, studies have shown vaccinated people can still spread the virus. It seems like the only advantage of the vaccine at this point is it prevents you from dying. If you can still spread the virus after vaccination, it seems pretty shortsighted to fire nurses in a time of extreme shortages. Biden today has mandated all nursing homes who receive Medicare funding will have to require all staff be vaccinated. Do you really think nurses aides and nurses who refuse the vaccine will continue their employment? They will quit. Lack of staff is going to have a greater impact on the health of residents than some unvaccinated staff who can spread the virus (just like the vaccinated staff).It will also cause hospitals to be unable to discharge their patients to nursing homes, which will impact how many patients they can admit. It is going to be a disaster.

[klone, MSN, RN]

If they quit, where will they go? All nursing homes are going to require it. It’s not like they can go work at a different nursing home down the street. 
Yes, you can still get Covid if you’re vaccinated. Yes, it DOES offer some protection against Delta. And you say “all it does is prevent you from dying” as if that’s no big thing. You failed to mention that also prevents serious illness and hospitalization which helps prevent further burdening our acute care hospitals. 

[toomuchbaloney]

On 8/18/2021 at 8:20 PM, LokelaniRN said:

I am vaccinated. However, studies have shown vaccinated people can still spread the virus. It seems like the only advantage of the vaccine at this point is it prevents you from dying. If you can still spread the virus after vaccination, it seems pretty shortsighted to fire nurses in a time of extreme shortages. Biden today has mandated all nursing homes who receive Medicare funding will have to require all staff be vaccinated. Do you really think nurses aides and nurses who refuse the vaccine will continue their employment? They will quit. Lack of staff is going to have a greater impact on the health of residents than some unvaccinated staff who can spread the virus (just like the vaccinated staff).It will also cause hospitals to be unable to discharge their patients to nursing homes, which will impact how many patients they can admit. It is going to be a disaster.

Vaccinated HCWS are less likely than their unvaccinated counterparts to infect vulnerable patients everyday, everywhere. People who choose to remain unvaccinated during a pandemic should not be working with our most vulnerable. 

It's a shame that they would quit before vaccinating.  It's a shame that a small percentage of health workers would refuse to vaccinate while the vaccine preventable disease kills people and overwhelms their health system.  

This is a pandemic it already is a public health emergency...people who refuse to vaccinate for no good reason are making a terrible situation worse.

[LokelaniRN]

Nurses aides make very little. Nursing home jobs are not much of an attraction. Therefore, you keep the staff you have.

They can work as a driver for Amazon for more money than as an aide.Some will quit the profession . There are a lot of jobs out there, we are not in a recession type of situation.  

[JKL33]

3 minutes ago, klone said:

Yes, you can still get Covid if you’re vaccinated. Yes, it DOES offer some protection against Delta. And you say “all it does is prevent you from dying” as if that’s no big thing. You failed to mention that also prevents serious illness and hospitalization which helps prevent further burdening our acute care hospitals. 

....and that the more people who are vaccinated the fewer who are (as) vulnerable to infection. [Sorry, bad grammar there].

[LokelaniRN]

6 minutes ago, klone said:

If they quit, where will they go? All nursing homes are going to require it. It’s not like they can go work at a different nursing home down the street. 
Yes, you can still get Covid if you’re vaccinated. Yes, it DOES offer some protection against Delta. And you say “all it does is prevent you from dying” as if that’s no big thing. You failed to mention that also prevents serious illness and hospitalization which helps prevent further burdening our acute care hospitals. 

If preventing serious illness and hospitalization is the goal to vaccinate healthcare employees, then maybe we should put a weight limit on hires, because obesity is a factor for serious illness and hospitalizarion.

[toomuchbaloney]

5 minutes ago, LokelaniRN said:

If preventing serious illness and hospitalization is the goal to vaccinate healthcare employees, then maybe we should put a weight limit on hires, because obesity is a factor for serious illness and hospitalizarion.

Are you commenting out of bitterness or...? Certainly you know that obesity is not contagious although selfish gullibility might be. 

[LokelaniRN]

5 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Are you commenting out of bitterness or...? Certainly you know that obesity is not contagious although selfish gullibility might be. 

I am just stating the rationale that you used is healthcare workers should be vaccinated which reduces their risk of hospitalization is flawed. The majority of admissions to a hospital is poor self induced behaviors, obesity being one of them. So fire the obese, smokers who work in healthcare.

I was pro vaccine for healthcare workers until recent studies showed vaccinated people can still spread the virus. Therefore, it makes no sense to me to fire nurses in a shortage situation. Nursing homes are pretty much a horrible place to work in ( I used to work in one going through nursing school). Firing them is only going to push them in a new career, with plentiful jobs out there. It makes more sense to rapid test them prior to a shift. 

[toomuchbaloney]

55 minutes ago, LokelaniRN said:

I am just stating the rationale that you used is healthcare workers should be vaccinated which reduces their risk of hospitalization is flawed. The majority of admissions to a hospital is poor self induced behaviors, obesity being one of them. So fire the obese, smokers who work in healthcare.

I was pro vaccine for healthcare workers until recent studies showed vaccinated people can still spread the virus. Therefore, it makes no sense to me to fire nurses in a shortage situation. Nursing homes are pretty much a horrible place to work in ( I used to work in one going through nursing school). Firing them is only going to push them in a new career, with plentiful jobs out there. It makes more sense to rapid test them prior to a shift. 

Nonsense.  The majority of hospitalizations are currently reflecting a covid pandemic. It makes no sense for you to hire unvaccinated people to care for the vulnerable. 

[Horseshoe, BSN, RN]

1 hour ago, LokelaniRN said:

I am just stating the rationale that you used is healthcare workers should be vaccinated which reduces their risk of hospitalization is flawed. The majority of admissions to a hospital is poor self induced behaviors, obesity being one of them. So fire the obese, smokers who work in healthcare.

I was pro vaccine for healthcare workers until recent studies showed vaccinated people can still spread the virus. Therefore, it makes no sense to me to fire nurses in a shortage situation. Nursing homes are pretty much a horrible place to work in ( I used to work in one going through nursing school). Firing them is only going to push them in a new career, with plentiful jobs out there. It makes more sense to rapid test them prior to a shift. 

Vaccinated people can spread Covid, but they do so at a much lower rate than unvaccinated populations. It's no coincidence that populations with high vaccination rates have lower infection rates than populations with low vaccination rates. The goal is to reduce transmission AND provide protection for all.