Termination From Employer For Refusing EUV

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I am an Oncology nurse working for a hospital for more than 13 years. I live in California and there is now a mandate in place that is requiring me to be vaccinated before Sept. 30th or I will be terminated from my job. Not only do I not feel comfortable to receive a EUV that no long term studies have been documented because it is too new and not FDA approved but I have also witnessed friends as well as patients having severe side effects after receiving vaccination.

I am unclear how an employer has the LEGAL RIGHT to ask me personal questions about my religious beliefs or medical information (vaccination status), where are my HIPAA Rights. Employer vaccine mandates are subject to religious accommodation under the Title VII of the Civil rights act. For personal reasons I will be submitting for religious exemption to hopefully prevent me from losing my job. 

I'm not sure what the outcome will be but I am planning to seek employment elsewhere in case I do lose my job and likely it won't be in healthcare. I don't know if this will be the end of my nursing career and if it is I feel extremely sad about that. 

What happened to the phrase " my body my choice " ? 

I will not be forced to do anything to my body that I do not choose.

 Through scripture we know that God values our bodies. Our bodies are said to be a temple of the Holy Spirit, and we are called to take care of and honor God's temple. God's words lead use to use our bodies and the gifts He has given us to achieve the will of God.

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16 minutes ago, Cathyd241 said:

I am really sorry that you are receiving such snarky judgemental comments here when you were simply looking for support. Unfortunately, nurses aren't very good at supporting one another... "We eat our young".  We are going through the same thing here in CT, and we have been able to support each other through private facebook groups, private websites, and group chats. I would try to look there for support. You can PM me and I will hook you up with one that I know is nation-wide.

The truth is, the majority of people in our country are following main stream media, and are not seeing the other side to this story.  I would like to think that if only these nurses knew the truth, they wouldn't be so quick to judge. It's unfortunate that they don't put more effort into seeking the truth, being the medical professionals that they are. They are willing to blindly follow the narrative without asking questions and using their critical thinking skills. Regardless, this self righteous attitude has got to stop... We are just breeding such division and hatred amongst ourselves.

Good luck with your journey. Remember, only you can decide what is right for you. Don't let anyone else coerce you into doing something you don't feel right about, even if it means losing your job. You only have one body and it is yours alone to decide what is best.

Not being snarky or judgmental. And I listen to the science, not the "mainstream" media for my decision-making. Just because one tells the truth does not make them snarky.  Sorry you feel it does.

And just where are you getting your Truth from? What studies or media do you use to formulate the opinions you hold? Those are earnest, not snarky, questions.

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On 8/18/2021 at 12:04 PM, Cathyd241 said:

I am really sorry that you are receiving such snarky judgemental comments here when you were simply looking for support. Unfortunately, nurses aren't very good at supporting one another... "We eat our young".  We are going through the same thing here in CT, and we have been able to support each other through private facebook groups, private websites, and group chats. I would try to look there for support. You can PM me and I will hook you up with one that I know is nation-wide.

The truth is, the majority of people in our country are following main stream media, and are not seeing the other side to this story.  I would like to think that if only these nurses knew the truth, they wouldn't be so quick to judge. It's unfortunate that they don't put more effort into seeking the truth, being the medical professionals that they are. They are willing to blindly follow the narrative without asking questions and using their critical thinking skills. Regardless, this self righteous attitude has got to stop... We are just breeding such division and hatred amongst ourselves.

Good luck with your journey. Remember, only you can decide what is right for you. Don't let anyone else coerce you into doing something you don't feel right about, even if it means losing your job. You only have one body and it is yours alone to decide what is best.

You may think that the ”self righteous attitude” has to stop. I think it is healthcare professionals who endanger their patients and who fail to promote public health, who are the ones who need to stop. 

On 8/17/2021 at 12:18 PM, SFrazierRN said:

Why do she need to be attacked for her own choice whether if she is aware of the science behind the vaccine? I get that you guys have strong opinions behind this but at the end of the day it's not your place to ridicule someone for their own belief smh 

P.S. I'm vaccinated ? but I don't condone the attacking of human rights

What human right would that be? The right to infect a vulnerable patient population with our possibly fatal respiratory diseases?

I wasn’t ridiculing OP. That was actually me being as polite as I can possibly manage to a person who thinks it’s acceptable to care for immunocompromised patients without vaccinating, in the midst of a global pandemic. 

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I also follow the science. What I am saying is that there is science out there that is being censored and hidden. Yes, I do watch podcasts and Youtube, etc... But these people are simply doing the research for me. They point me to peer reviewed studies, research data, and experts in the field who have given witness to their own research. I read these sources of data myself, so I know they are not made up. There is so much out there that people just don't know. It's frustrating because we try to share this knowledge but nobody wants to listen. Everyone seems content in just going along with the narrative. Doesn't it make you wonder even a little why there is so much "vaccine hesitancy", especially amongst healthcare workers? Perhaps there is something they know that you don't. Just saying. Do your own research.

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On 8/18/2021 at 12:27 PM, Cathyd241 said:

I also follow the science. What I am saying is that there is science out there that is being censored and hidden. Yes, I do watch podcasts and Youtube, etc... But these people are simply doing the research for me. They point me to peer reviewed studies, research data, and experts in the field who have given witness to their own research. I read these sources of data myself, so I know they are not made up. There is so much out there that people just don't know. It's frustrating because we try to share this knowledge but nobody wants to listen. Everyone seems content in just going along with the narrative. Doesn't it make you wonder even a little why there is so much "vaccine hesitancy", especially amongst healthcare workers? Perhaps there is something they know that you don't. Just saying. Do your own research.

You haven’t specified what it is you believe, but I can guess from the way you worded your posts.

The reason that most healthcare professionals ignore your tales, is because they are not credible, not rational, not logical and not supported by evidence. I don’t buy the ”science being censored and hidden” narrative. 

There isn’t that much hesitancy among healthcare workers. I’ve shared the stats that ~98% of U.S. physicians have chosen to vaccinate against Covid. The percentage of U.S. nurses is significantly lower. That’s not something to take pride in or make you think that you are much more ”in the know”, compared to physicians. We’ve seen a number of posters make very similar posts to yours. As a group you are very active on social media, but I think you only are a small percentage of healthcare professionals.

I’ve shared the following before as well. On my unit, over 99% are vaccinated. It’s just a single person out of ~120 who isn’t vaccinated and that person has a medical contraindication. I’m in a different country. Vaccination is not mandated. We’ve all made the decision based on understanding and trusting the scientific evidence and because of the knowledge we have about infectious diseases and public health.

We’ve done our research. The result is that we understand that the vaccines are safe and effective and a very important part of the pandemic-fighting orificenal. 

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I just got through explaining that I am looking at actual data and published studies. Who are you to say that this is not credible? I have not been telling"tales" (again, LOVE the snarky judgemental attitudes). The problem is that people will not even look at it. Everyone, including you, seems to have already made up their minds about what is truth and have no desire to seek further. And yes, it's unfortunate that even our physicians seem to have gone along with it. I have sent research articles to my own PCP to review, but I doubt he will.  Even if he did change his mind, he is "owned" by the corporate healthcare system he works for.

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2 minutes ago, Cathyd241 said:

I just got through explaining that I am looking at actual data and published studies. Who are you to say that this is not credible? I have not been telling"tales" (again, LOVE the snarky judgemental attitudes). The problem is that people will not even look at it. Everyone, including you, seems to have already made up their minds about what is truth and have no desire to seek further. And yes, it's unfortunate that even our physicians seem to have gone along with it. I have sent research articles to my own PCP to review, but I doubt he will.  Even if he did change his mind, he is "owned" by the corporate healthcare system he works for.

Can you share a source you are listening to? I'm interested bc as I evaluate what they say, I'd like to know their motivation, if they are profiting from traffic to their sites, etc.

 

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Have you ever listened to Del Bigtree on thehighwire.com? That is an excellent place to start. He had been doing research on covid for over a year and the information he has put out is phenomenal.

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1 minute ago, Cathyd241 said:

Have you ever listened to Del Bigtree on thehighwire.com? That is an excellent place to start. He had been doing research on covid for over a year and the information he has put out is phenomenal.

I will check it out, thank you

10 minutes ago, Cathyd241 said:

I just got through explaining that I am looking at actual data and published studies. Who are you to say that this is not credible? I have not been telling"tales" (again, LOVE the snarky judgemental attitudes). The problem is that people will not even look at it. Everyone, including you, seems to have already made up their minds about what is truth and have no desire to seek further. And yes, it's unfortunate that even our physicians seem to have gone along with it. I have sent research articles to my own PCP to review, but I doubt he will.  Even if he did change his mind, he is "owned" by the corporate healthcare system he works for.

I live and work in a country with universal healthcare. I’m definitely not owned by the corporate healthcare system. I’m not going to speculate to what extent U.S. physicians are ”owned”, but even if they were I highly doubt that’s the reason they’ve chosen to get vaccinated. They’ve likely gotten vaccinated because they’ve earned a degree in medicine and understand the rationale for vaccinating against infectious diseases. We don’t need to overcomplicate something that is really basic. 

Do you actually love the snarky attitude, or is that you being snarky too? The reason why I am snarky is because I consider people who don’t accept what the scientific evidence demonstrates and instead tries to promote a narrative not supported by facts, very dangerous. 

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13 minutes ago, Cathyd241 said:

Have you ever listened to Del Bigtree on thehighwire.com? That is an excellent place to start. He had been doing research on covid for over a year and the information he has put out is phenomenal.

I have listened to him and most other persons that are named every time someone shows up with their alternative facts, which is why I said that your narrative isn’t credible and that isn’t supported by facts. I’ve responded to so many posts similar to yours that I know the names of the individuals you usually refer to by heart.

The man produced the movie Vaxxed for crying out loud. And you look to him for information?!?

I have to ask. Do you think that childhood vaccines causes autism? They don’t. I’m just trying to gauge where on the anti-vaxxer conspiracy continuum you are. 

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On 8/13/2021 at 11:35 AM, Horseshoe said:

Then the extreme antivaxxers will all just lie or conveniently find religion. 

True, however, many healthcare employers in CA require those with an excuse to be tested every so many days by the employer or show proof of negativity every so many days.  Without proof, the unvaccinated healthcare worker is not allowed to work a shift.

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Like I said, there is other scientific evidence out there...you just have to be willing to look for it and read it. That's all I have to say about that. I only replied to this thread to respond to the poor nurse who was looking for support but instead was verbally attacked by others, and I ended up getting attacked myself.

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