Termination From Employer For Refusing EUV

[RaineyRN7]

I am an Oncology nurse working for a hospital for more than 13 years. I live in California and there is now a mandate in place that is requiring me to be vaccinated before Sept. 30th or I will be terminated from my job. Not only do I not feel comfortable to receive a EUV that no long term studies have been documented because it is too new and not FDA approved but I have also witnessed friends as well as patients having severe side effects after receiving vaccination.

I am unclear how an employer has the LEGAL RIGHT to ask me personal questions about my religious beliefs or medical information (vaccination status), where are my HIPAA Rights. Employer vaccine mandates are subject to religious accommodation under the Title VII of the Civil rights act. For personal reasons I will be submitting for religious exemption to hopefully prevent me from losing my job. 

I'm not sure what the outcome will be but I am planning to seek employment elsewhere in case I do lose my job and likely it won't be in healthcare. I don't know if this will be the end of my nursing career and if it is I feel extremely sad about that. 

What happened to the phrase " my body my choice " ? 

I will not be forced to do anything to my body that I do not choose.

 Through scripture we know that God values our bodies. Our bodies are said to be a temple of the Holy Spirit, and we are called to take care of and honor God's temple. God's words lead use to use our bodies and the gifts He has given us to achieve the will of God.

[jive turkey]

On 8/18/2021 at 8:58 PM, LokelaniRN said:

I am just stating the rationale that you used is healthcare workers should be vaccinated which reduces their risk of hospitalization is flawed. The majority of admissions to a hospital is poor self induced behaviors, obesity being one of them. So fire the obese, smokers who work in healthcare.

I share your sentiment about this.  While I don't dispute COVID overwhelms the healthcare system or condone anyone being careless about its spread, I find it ironic that those who make that complaint aren't equally as fired up about the sedentary, the morbidly obese, the smokers, the alcoholics, drug abusers, diabetics (not type 1) and other patients chronically ill due to poor life choices and their impact on the healthcare system.  I'm in no way saying the aforementioned peolle should be mistreated in any way.  It's ironic how people come here to cry foul about the unvaccinated when millions stress the healthcare system routinely at the expense of others.  

By the way, there's a couple people you're replying to that, no matter WHAT you say, no matter what evidence or information you provide, they'll meet you with snide remarks chastising you for not sharing their perspective.  

[momoneypls, RN]

these behaviors are not contagious and imminently dangerous to those who come to you for help

[toomuchbaloney]

6 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

I share your sentiment about this.  While I don't dispute COVID overwhelms the healthcare system or condone anyone being careless about its spread, I find it ironic that those who make that complaint aren't equally as fired up about the sedentary, the morbidly obese, the smokers, the alcoholics, drug abusers, diabetics (not type 1) and other patients chronically ill due to poor life choices and their impact on the healthcare system.  I'm in no way saying the aforementioned peolle should be mistreated in any way.  It's ironic how people come here to cry foul about the unvaccinated when millions stress the healthcare system routinely at the expense of others.  

By the way, there's a couple people you're replying to that, no matter WHAT you say, no matter what evidence or information you provide, they'll meet you with snide remarks chastising you for not sharing their perspective.  

Conflating obesity with a highly contagious virus that killed 600k Americans in a year while sympathizing with poorly sourced reasons to remain unvaccinated is not a perspective that should be encouraged or shared.  

You haven't offered any information which supports not vaccinating if you are eligible and don't have medical contradiction. 

[jive turkey]

10 minutes ago, momoneypls said:

these behaviors are not contagious and imminently dangerous to those who come to you for help

I wasn't talking about contagion I was about burdens to healthcare due to personal choice.

 Those behaviors aren't communicable biologically but they are learned from others hence being spread.

Based on arguments from supporters of the vaccine, those who choose not to do it are primarily infecting each other and causing the burden. 

My main point is when people make decisions affecting their health and burden caregivers we shouldn't make it our place to put them on blast publicly. 

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[jive turkey]

14 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Conflating obesity with a highly contagious virus that killed 600k Americans in a year while sympathizing with poorly sourced reasons to remain unvaccinated is not a perspective that should be encouraged or shared.  

You haven't offered any information which supports not vaccinating if you are eligible and don't have medical contradiction. 

What did you say?

[momoneypls, RN]

Is this not a thread regarding healthcare workers who are upset that they have to take a vaccine that may prevent the spread of covid-- begun by yourself? This deviation from the topic at hand feels like a forced diversion; comparing a disease that you will likely contract and spread to everyone around you and possibly result in their death is not the same as someone with an eating disorder or metabolic problem they choose not to address being a burden on the system.  Being a burden and exhaustive PIA to treat constantly is not the same as knowing what you are electing to do is a serious threat to those around you.

 

[jive turkey]

On 8/19/2021 at 12:11 AM, momoneypls said:

Is this not a thread regarding healthcare workers who are upset that they have to take a vaccine that may prevent the spread of covid-- begun by yourself? This deviation from the topic at hand feels like a forced diversion; comparing a disease that you will likely contract and spread to everyone around you and possibly result in their death is not the same as someone with an eating disorder or metabolic problem they choose not to address being a burden on the system.  Being a burden and exhaustive PIA to treat constantly is not the same as knowing what you are electing to do is a serious threat to those around you.

Who are you talking to? The OP appears to have long left the discussion so you can't acuse them of diversion.

You didn't have to reply if you thought it was diversionary.

Nobody said the burden is borne from identical choices however each presents a burden nonetheless. There is a difference in attitude and response. 

[LokelaniRN]

The majority of cases requiring hospital care are traumas, people delaying care due to covid, and the run of the mill self induced behaviors causing hospitalization. Covid has increased cases, in the 10-20% range. You all want to blame the unvaccinated for hospitals being full.Why are you not blaming the hospitals who have been short staffing for years, so when increased utilization is needed, the hospitals cannot handle the influx.

When a vaccine is not FDA approved, and studies have shown it does not prevent spread, why are we firing nurses who refuse the vaccine, the same nurses who worked unvaccinated during the covid pandemic?

I could understand it if the vaccine prevented transmission of the virus, butyou can still transmit even if vaccinated.

I heard on the radio a nurse who is quitting because she is pregnant. She is not an anti vaxxer, yet is concerned regarding the effect of the vaccine on her baby. She is now required to vaccinate to keep her job, yet at the same time the vaccine has not been approved on children. Yet her baby is a fetus what is the rationale there?

Why don't we test them prior to their shift. Heck, I have 4 Abbott Binax tests in my medicine cabinet, in case I develop symptoms. You can get results in 15 minutes.

Scream all you like,  but these mandates is going to create more of a nursing shortage. It is no problem for me, I am retired ( unless I need hospital care, which is unlikely). But it is a problem for you who will see a more decreased staffing level.

Next time, blame the crisis on administrators who scaled back staffing to the bone for the last few years. 

[LokelaniRN]

On 8/19/2021 at 12:11 AM, momoneypls said:

Is this not a thread regarding healthcare workers who are upset that they have to take a vaccine that may prevent the spread of covid-- begun by yourself? This deviation from the topic at hand feels like a forced diversion; comparing a disease that you will likely contract and spread to everyone around you and possibly result in their death is not the same as someone with an eating disorder or metabolic problem they choose not to address being a burden on the system.  Being a burden and exhaustive PIA to treat constantly is not the same as knowing what you are electing to do is a serious threat to those around you.

I am vaccinated. But now I am questioning the decision making of our scientist overlords, the same people who funded gain of function tests.

It makes no sense to fire people in the middle of a nursing shortage.

[jive turkey]

On 8/19/2021 at 12:34 AM, LokelaniRN said:

The majority of cases requiring hospital care are traumas, people delaying care due to covid, and the run of the mill self induced behaviors causing hospitalization. Covid has increased cases, in the 10-20% range. You all want to blame the unvaccinated for hospitals being full.Why are you not blaming the hospitals who have been short staffing for years, so when increased utilization is needed, the hospitals cannot handle the influx.

When a vaccine is not FDA approved, and studies have shown it does not prevent spread, why are we firing nurses who refuse the vaccine, the same nurses who worked unvaccinated during the covid pandemic?

I could understand it if the vaccine prevented transmission of the virus, butyou can still transmit even if vaccinated.

I heard on the radio a nurse who is quitting because she is pregnant. She is not an anti vaxxer, yet is concerned regarding the effect of the vaccine on her baby. She is now required to vaccinate to keep her job, yet at the same time the vaccine has not been approved on children. Yet her baby is a fetus what is the rationale there?

Why don't we test them prior to their shift. Heck, I have 4 Abbott Binax tests in my medicine cabinet, in case I develop symptoms. You can get results in 15 minutes.

Scream all you like,  but these mandates is going to create more of a nursing shortage. It is no problem for me, I am retired ( unless I need hospital care, which is unlikely). But it is a problem for you who will see a more decreased staffing level.

Next time, blame the crisis on administrators who scaled back staffing to the bone for the last few years. 

I would totally support a testing mandate. That would be an effective way to stop the spread because one you know you're positive, you can go quarantine. It would be beneficial if rapid home tests were made available, large numbers.  Many places make you wait days to get an appointment.  Not all, but many.  

Mandates this early in the game have the consequence of turning people off.  Pro vax people often discount the perceptions science and findings of others resorting to bullying, shaming, and declaring a need for force. I've seen many times where this creates resistance rather than compliance.  

I'd like to see more effort to educate and persuade rather than bully and force.  

[toomuchbaloney]

24 minutes ago, LokelaniRN said:

I am vaccinated. But now I am questioning the decision making of our scientist overlords, the same people who funded gain of function tests.

It makes no sense to fire people in the middle of a nursing shortage.

Which scientists were made "overlords"? Is that a  lifetime appointment and who decides? What are the qualifications for overlord?

Congress is responsible for funding. 

It makes no sense to remain unvaccinated in the absence of contraindication. 

[iNurs5, CNA]

13 hours ago, Cathyd241 said:

Have you ever listened to Del Bigtree on thehighwire.com? That is an excellent place to start. He had been doing research on covid for over a year and the information he has put out is phenomenal.

How they conduct their research? Do they run their own laboratory studies? You won't find me on social media. ?