Time to don the fireproof underwear. It is 0500 and the reality alarm clock is ringing, and some people do not like to hear it go off. So whether you agree with me or not, I feel it is time to inject a little thought provoking ideas into your life.
I am sure I am about to get flamed for posting this, but I feel the need to anyways. I have been seeing these threads talking about bullying and teachers or preceptors hating the students, and new nurses or abusing them because of some perceived slight or injustice. Well guess what?
The world is a hard cold nasty place that does not need to be polite to you or worry whether your feelings got hurt and you feel offended. You need to grow up and realize that the abuse that you claim is rampant, or the bullying that you experience all the time is not their problem, but rather your problem.
I see so many posts about this and I wonder how some of these people have survived as long as they have. School is tough? Deal with it. You think that someone else is getting it easier? Well too bad, they may be but no one ever promised you everything would be fair. You have to learn that there is inequality in life. It's how you overcome that inequality that matters. It teaches perseverance.
Abusive teachers? Maybe they are trying to get the best in you to come out. What you think is abuse maybe is pushing you to your limits, to get you further along in your potential. So your feelings got hurt at school, grow up, feelings get hurt every day.
Your preceptor is unorganized and does not like you and bad mouths you to your manager, and all your patients love you but no one at the hospital sees how great you really are?
Well your preceptor may actually have great time management skill, but when having to slow down and teach someone their job, things do tend to get disorganized. You may be part of the blame there.
Did you ever stop to think that you are the proverbial monkey wrench in a well oiled machine? The need to teach you, and I realize you do need to learn, can be very time consuming. They may tell your manager that you need improving or that you are not advancing fast enough. They may be all smiles to you, because they want to support you and keep you positive, but they need to tell the manager how you really are.
Speaking of orientation, how often have I seen statements that say the other nurses are not supportive and will not answer questions. Have you ever thought that maybe you are asking TOO MANY questions?
After a bit it may seem that you are not retaining the info provided and everyone gets tired of answering the same questions over and over. Part of learning is knowing when to shut your mouth and just watch. It has been said by people wiser than me that the only question you should ask is the question that you already know the answer to. If that does not make sense to you, think about it for a while and you might just be surprised that a light comes on.
So basically what i am saying is grow up and act like the adult that you are. Life is not fair, school is not fair, work is not fair. You just have to learn to deal with it.
Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.
No idea what the connection is, sorry.
Let me connect the dots for you, then. Someone with your scorched earth opinion of ADNs has no business precepting anyone. Certainly not ADNs, since you can't seem to contain your contempt for them, and certainly not BSNs, since you would be a bad influence on them. New nurses need to be shown how to interact with others professionally as part of a team. Your comments about ADNs do not reflect the way a team member should speak about his/her co-workers.
Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
I have. I've been precepted and I have precepted people. You may want to excuse yourself from the thread's conversation until you are further versed in the practice of orienting others. Some re-education may help also. Thanks for stopping by.
I stand corrected. You came across as a newbie with an attitude that would not fit into the team at my workplace; I assumed that you WERE a newbie with an attitude that would not fit in with the team at my workplace. I take back my statement of encouragement for you to come back in a few years and tell us what you have learned. As you are not the newbie I thought you were, it is obvious that will not be happening.
Nursing is an ongoing process of learning, relearning and learning some more. Some nurses have several years of experience; others have 1 year of experience several times.
I may get flamed for this, but I think most of the OP is crap. I think nursing tends to attract a lot insecure, "type A" personalities (who go on to precept unfortunately) and low class people who never held a professional title in their lives. They then become "drunk" on their new status as an RN (as if it they went to medical school... hah) and start throwing their weight around.
Youthful traditional BSN grads don't tend to fit into the bully stereotypes, I have noticed.. It's always fairly ignorant, undereducated former waitresses former CNAs, former babysitters, with a kid out of wedlock, who go to "get their RN" at CCs and never have any interest in furthering their education again, who act like bullies we encounter. They lived a life of being low class and getting pushed around. They become nurses and then think it's their turn.
Let me connect the dots for you, then. Someone with your scorched earth opinion of ADNs has no business precepting anyone. Certainly not ADNs, since you can't seem to contain your contempt for them, and certainly not BSNs, since you would be a bad influence on them. New nurses need to be shown how to interact with others professionally as part of a team. Your comments about ADNs do not reflect the way a team member should speak about his/her co-workers.
OCN; you don't know what you are talking about. I myself am an ADN who got their BSN while working. However, I can still express my perception of things. That being, that most bad preceptors are ADN nurses and they don't have the necessary professional background required for successful precepting. That is my opinion, for better or worse.
Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.
OCN; you don't know what you are talking about. I myself am an ADN who got their BSN while working. However, I can still express my perception of things. That being, that most bad preceptors are ADN nurses and they don't have the necessary professional background required for successful precepting. That is my opinion, for better or worse.
OCN; you don't know what you are talking about. I myself am an ADN who got their BSN while working. However, I can still express my perception of things. That being, that most bad preceptors are ADN nurses and they don't have the necessary professional background required for successful precepting. That is my opinion, for better or worse.
Maybe you two should work together, that would be entertaining lol smh
OCN; you don't know what you are talking about. I myself am an ADN who got their BSN while working. However, I can still express my perception of things. That being, that most bad preceptors are ADN nurses and they don't have the necessary professional background required for successful precepting. That is my opinion, for better or worse.
It isn't about ADN, BSN, Diploma, or LPN. I had a great LPN precept me for postpartum back in the olden days when you could be precepted by who ever was most experienced at the job. It is about being knowledgeable, enthusiastic, patient, and engaged in bedside nursing. It doesn't work when someone has degree envy or resentment on either end of the relationship or if people don't like one another for some other reason like gender, age, weight, or a number of other things, many of them very silly. You have to be willing to give someone a chance and have reasonable expectations. Again, if I had my pick of preceptors to choose from, someone who makes a derogatory remark about another nurse who has one degree or another, is a big no thanks! No one deserves to be shot down before they even get started by a preceptor's bad attitude. If you are not going to give someone a chance, it is a waste of time and money to put you in that role.
My honest thought: y'all need to stop this darn thread. Its disrespectful to the entire nursing profession.
If we treat others the same way we want to be treated, there will be no problems. Hell, thats not even a 'nurse' thing but a human thing. Think about how hard nursing school was. From VN/PN to ADN/BSN even our MSNs on here..nobody went into it to go to work to 'offend' or 'bully' patients or staff. Nobody.
Turning this into a ADN vs BSN or male vs female whatever is absolutely a nursing low point.
It highlights the problem with nursing as a whole; the human element, also known as "ego".
Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
Lively debate is fine. Personal attacks are not. I feel strongly that those who don't like a thread should just stop reading it. Hearts and flowers threads are here, too.
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Let me connect the dots for you, then. Someone with your scorched earth opinion of ADNs has no business precepting anyone. Certainly not ADNs, since you can't seem to contain your contempt for them, and certainly not BSNs, since you would be a bad influence on them. New nurses need to be shown how to interact with others professionally as part of a team. Your comments about ADNs do not reflect the way a team member should speak about his/her co-workers.