Should nurses be getting involved in the Reopen America protests nationwide?

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I'm actually broadly sympathetic to the protesters. When you have 22 million Americans unemployed, massive lines at food banks, and even more projected layoffs, even a Second Great Depression, people are going to have had it. Even nurses and other hospital workers cannot get paid if the economy tanks and there's no money cycling through the U.S. system.

I think the quarantines have gone on way too long. We should have gone the Sweden herd immunity model in the first place. If people are still that scared of this Coronavirus they ought to quarantine themselves. The rest of the country shouldn't have to keep catering to the susceptible minority much longer. I'm grateful that I live in Texas and my governor seems committed to reopening our state in early May, whether hell or high water.

36 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

So only you get to make inflammatory remarks before you implore everyone to be nice and the moderators to step in? Isn't that a nice strategy. Because there's nothing inflammatory about your remarks at all, ever, right?

Other than the one which I apologized for what inflammatory remark have I made? There is a big difference between an inflammatory remark like calling someone names or making a snide quip and posting something you don't agree with.

24 minutes ago, juniper222 said:

Other than the one which I apologized for what inflammatory remark have I made? There is a big difference between an inflammatory remark like calling someone names or making a snide quip and posting something you don't agree with.

Oh, just stop. You've inundated me with an entire host of hot-headed accusations , flying off the handle because I dared to offend your delicate political sensibilities by (accurately) criticizing the non-response of your President among other things.

You've continued to do this to myself and others and then following it with a loud proclomation that you're done with politics and reminding of rules , flagging the Moderators - all while clearly continuing to lurk in the background eagerly scorekeeping and seeing who you can flag that you deem an enemy on the other side of the political aisle.

It's immature, and it's the exact kind of behavior, IMHO, that has us in this mess.

Last if you want to go back to work by all means nothing is stopping you. There are an entire host of SNF's and LTAC's begging for nurses everywhere now and I'm sure your local Piggily Wiggily has openings for stockers. If you don't want to take those risks than stop insisting others must!

Bye Felicia.

4 hours ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:

So you tell me when this is going to be over. The buck stops when? May 1st? May 15th? June 1st? If you are going to be straight with us, you tell us when enough is enough.

You are not alone in this question. noted intellectuals have also asked.

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12 minutes ago, HeartlandRN said:

Oh, just stop. You've assaulted me with an entire host of accusations , flying off the handle because I dared to offend your delicate political sensibilities by (accurately) criticizing the non-response of your President among other things.

You've continued to do this to myself and others and then following it with a loud proclomation that you're done with politics and reminding of rules - whie still continuing to lurk in the background eagerly looking to see who and what you can flag.

It's immature.

I was mistaken about the policy of the forum which I had concluded that politics is solely for the lounge as was pointed out the the responding moderator. But since I have more clarity on what they meant I will continue as is my right to do so.

And you say I assaulted you? How? by pointing out your obvious political bias? As if you are the only one here allowed to have an opinion? Do you really think you can win an argument by passing insults and personal attacks? All though this forum if anyone disagrees with you you insult them rather than have a mature discussion.

If any of your posts were edited or removed by a moderator it was because they were against policy and that is your doing.

16 minutes ago, HeartlandRN said:

Oh, just stop. You've inundated me with an entire host of hot-headed accusations , flying off the handle because I dared to offend your delicate political sensibilities by (accurately) criticizing the non-response of your President among other things.

You've continued to do this to myself and others and then following it with a loud proclomation that you're done with politics and reminding of rules , flagging the Moderators - all while clearly continuing to lurk in the background eagerly scorekeeping and seeing who you can flag that you deem an enemy on the other side of the political aisle.

It's immature, and it's the exact kind of behavior, IMHO, that has us in this mess.

Last if you want to go back to work by all means nothing is stopping you. There are an entire host of SNF's and LTAC's begging for nurses everywhere now and I'm sure your local Piggily Wiggily has openings for stockers. If you don't want to take those risks than stop insisting others must!

Bye Felicia.

I think you have me confused with someone else. I never said we should open up America and I never insisted others take those risks. And who is Felicia?

Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
54 minutes ago, juniper222 said:

Other than the one which I apologized for what inflammatory remark have I made? There is a big difference between an inflammatory remark like calling someone names or making a snide quip and posting something you don't agree with.

That's exactly correct. Similarly, voicing an opinion which is contrary to the available science is not the same as sharing a responsible opinion which is supported by the science and the available expert recommendations. When those outlying opinions are encountered they cannot be treated as equal to the well founded opinions. Correction for wrong thinking is a real thing, it's important.

4 hours ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:

So you tell me when this is going to be over. The buck stops when? May 1st? May 15th? June 1st? If you are going to be straight with us, you tell us when enough is enough.

If you can't you at least owe us the intellectual honesty of admitting you would have no qualms in forcing us to quarantine for years on end "because the virus decides when it's over", per Fauci.

I think it should depend on the individual state. States like mine that haven't been hit hard yet but continuously had testing bottlenecks in their attempt to test exposed health care workers and nursing home patients (lab capacity, reagents, many issues, not just "test kits") are not prepared to re-open the bars and beauty salons, or stop the 9 PM to 5 AM curfew, until we have at least twice the daily testing capacity we do now -- if not more.

Considering less than 2000 people in my state have caught it and many are in the prison system, it is surprising that I do know one of the first cases in a particular county I used to live in (then again it's more like 3 degrees to any Arkansan, not 7, so maybe not that surprising). In the course of his treatment/trying to see if he was clear of the virus to count as "recovered", they tested him 6 times. Yet our prevalence rate (people tested who actually had it vs didn't) is much lower than neighboring states -- so our testing capacity IS an issue. If a person is negative and isn't tested again (over 90% of our people tested so far), that's just 1 or 2 tests (if they demanded two to come back to work). If our prevalence rate gets higher, we will need even more lab capacity than it would seem.

I agree with you that the time bought by trying to hit "pause" by shutting down most of the country has come at a very dear cost. I have two people staying in my home because the breadwinner in that couple was a Lyft driver -- not too many people wanting to rideshare in this environment, and his primary clientele were drunks needing rides home from the now-closed bars. Two major religions in our country had to alter important holiday traditions, either from government edicts or the belief that preservation of life is more important than obeying religious law. Those who attended weekly have made even more sacrifices that are not just economic, but personal.

And yes, Americans want to see more than a plummeting stock market and rising unemployment resulting from buying that time. I'd like to see things like state and public health labs being able to test more than hospitalized pts, health care workers, nursing home residents where there's been an outbreak, and prisoners/prison workers. And that's about all we can test right now, at least in my state. I am not laying blame for that, just stating facts.

It's no surprise to me that people are frustrated -- on all sides.

But if I may ask -- do you have a personal problem with Dr. Anthony Fauci, or just disagree with him? Because yes, the virus itself does set the timetable, at least with regards to incubation periods and time from first symptoms to any major ones (so therefore how long it takes to see results from mitigation efforts).

5 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

That's exactly correct. Similarly, voicing an opinion which is contrary to the available science is not the same as sharing a responsible opinion which is supported by the science and the available expert recommendations. When those outlying opinions are encountered they cannot be treated as equal to the well founded opinions. Correction for wrong thinking is a real thing, it's important.

Other than pushing back against political statements I have not made my position clear on the topic of reopening the US. As such I don't know how you draw any conclusion on what wrongful thinking I may have in regard to the science end of this topic.

Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
7 minutes ago, juniper222 said:

Other than pushing back against political statements I have not made my position clear on the topic of reopening the US. As such I don't know how you draw any conclusion on what wrongful thinking I may have in regard to the science end of this topic.

Trying to pretend that the known political facts and history of this failure of leadership don't exist, aren't important, or don't reflect dangerous incompetence is wrong thinking. The science end of it is that ALL of the considerable evidence reflects an ongoing failure to competently lead the country through a pandemic.

I believe that my first interaction with you was me responding to a politically related comment from you. I pushed back. Others pushed back.

Because...evidence says that whether or not you like Trump, he is accountable for the ongoing failure of his administration to organize a coherent and effective response to this pandemic.

As I sit in my living room chair, wrapped in a blanket, still hurting to breathe deeply from a presumed case of covid19 that lasted 30+ days and ended over a week ago, and that could have killed me (lung disease history,) I have mixed feelings about this.

Quarantine cities? That’s a no-brainer. Quarantine everyone? Not sure how I feel about that. I got sick either visiting the VA hospital all day in Milwaukee the first week someone in my county popped positive, or that same week when about everyone and there brother coughed on me shopping all day at various stores. By then there was already community spread. People like me should be isolated, and if I had realized it was already in Milwaukee I wouldn’t have gone there that day or gone shopping from place to place all day just before that

I think level heads and measured responses are called for, but it’s not a black and white issue. There is gray area.

Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
25 minutes ago, juniper222 said:

Other than pushing back against political statements I have not made my position clear on the topic of reopening the US. As such I don't know how you draw any conclusion on what wrongful thinking I may have in regard to the science end of this topic.

Interestingly, what you might choose to give a thumbs up to or not, in those discussions on reopening, might give people some impression of your thinking, maybe? How do you assess these things in forums?

2 hours ago, juniper222 said:

I think you have me confused with someone else. I never said we should open up America and I never insisted others take those risks. And who is Felicia?

Felicia is from Friday the movie, staring ice cube.

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