School Shootings

Daisy4RN · May 26, 2018

I want to do what ever is necessary to stop all those who would commit any crimes, and especially these school shootings! I think that we need metal detectors etc first, then we (as a society) need to get to the root cause. Any society needs a set of values and morals in order to survive/thrive. I point out that it was Christian values on which this country was started, thou shalt no kill, steal, love your neighbor etc. Whether or not you believe in God is up to you, but I think all can agree the values are good. And yes, the government has in the past, and continues, and will always continue to make mistakes because the gov. is comprised of imperfect human beings. We have, because of political correctness taken God, and therefore those principles out of society as a whole, it was throwing out the baby with the bath water. We threw out all of it and did not replace it with anything, thus people feel free to do what ever they want. You don't have to be a Christian in order to believe that our laws should be enforced and that is what we need to do. I think all aspects of society should be looked at in considering the root cause of these killings because all should be able to agree that they need to stop!

wondern, ASN · May 26, 2018

Of course values are good, and God is great! (or whoever you have chosen as your personal God) There are so many religions and a lot have good values. Yes, thank God, we can all agree on that , I think, and that we want shootings at schools to stop! :yes:

It can just get soo deep, we could argue all day about religion and lose focus when we need to really focus on the actual physical stopping of the shootings. When? Yesterday!

I started to talk about history and the Revolutionary and Civil Wars and the carnage but then I thought that is too deep; I don't understand all that. Let's focus on the practical side of stopping the shootings like brownbook said.

What are your thoughts on that please? I agree with your metal detectors idea. I also do agree about morals being low, but due to our society, like examples of our leaders, big pharma, Media, prostitution, etc. but that is a whole other ball of wax too. Let's not go there! Actually, I guess I just did. Oops! :down: Please talk about whatever you want.

Prayers couldn't hurt anything. Dear Lord, Help shooters to stop and rethink and put their guns down. Help us all to reach out to people who are hurting. Help people remember how it feels to be kind and to be treated kindly. Help parents to remember to lock their guns up away from their children. Help our leaders come up with a health care plan where our children can get the health care they need including mental health. Thank you, Jesus, for all your blessings including our precious children. Protect them please.

NurseBlaq · May 26, 2018

I want to do what ever is necessary to stop all those who would commit any crimes, and especially these school shootings! I think that we need metal detectors etc first, then we (as a society) need to get to the root cause. Any society needs a set of values and morals in order to survive/thrive. I point out that it was Christian values on which this country was started, thou shalt no kill, steal, love your neighbor etc. Whether or not you believe in God is up to you, but I think all can agree the values are good. And yes, the government has in the past, and continues, and will always continue to make mistakes because the gov. is comprised of imperfect human beings. We have, because of political correctness taken God, and therefore those principles out of society as a whole, it was throwing out the baby with the bath water. We threw out all of it and did not replace it with anything, thus people feel free to do what ever they want. You don't have to be a Christian in order to believe that our laws should be enforced and that is what we need to do. I think all aspects of society should be looked at in considering the root cause of these killings because all should be able to agree that they need to stop!

You keep losing people because you keep pushing religion into the conversation. You don't seem to respect other people may not be Christians and Christianity isn't the only religion that has morals and values. You can be an atheist and still have morals and values. Also, many religious figures have in the very recent past, and currently, lack morals and values they claim to be so full of and shame others for allegedly not having.

If you want to discuss problems and solutions, have at it. But if you're going to keep regurgitating Christian values and morals every other sentence people will keep tossing out what you're saying because it doesn't seem genuine.

You can't seem to grasp there is a separation of church and state, there are more religions than Christianity practiced in this country, this country was founded on terrorism by alleged Christians, and it has been Christians, no other religion, but Christians whom have been committing mass murder these past few years in America.

Or you're going to keep skimming past those to pretend to want to come to an amicable solution while simultaneously peddling Christianity? I'm not even religious, nor am I against it, but I respect people's beliefs, or atheism, and can hold a civilized discussion without forcing it into the conversation. Many of us have shunned it yet you keep moving right along as though we've said nothing. It's disrespectful and it shuts down any form of productive communication.

Having said that, I'm going to exit this conversation because I despise people who feel the need to instill religion into every discussion, especially after it's been respectfully deterred. It reeks of condescension and it undermines the other party. I'm done.

brownbook · May 26, 2018

Could you refresh us on Australia's laws please?
I like the one entry idea.

Just Google it.

MunoRN, RN · May 26, 2018

Well, I am not sure I agree with your interpretation but I would like to see the facts and statistics you are referring too, and how they compare to our country that was founded by Christian leaders and who have also turned away from that.

Countries that tend to be more theist also tend to have higher crime rates, and conversely countries with the lowest crime rates tend to be the most secular. Higher rates of crime are not necessarily caused by a higher prevalence of organized religion, but it clearly doesn't solve these problems.

Think religion makes society less violent? Think again.

The founding fathers would take offense to your claim that we were founded on Christianity or even just on Christian principles. The founding fathers ranged from Deist to Quacker, with Quakerism basically being an organized religion that doesn't believe in organized religion, we don't believe in a church hierarchy, we have no clergy, and we don't believe in a singular definition of God. Deists are even more strongly opposed to the organized religion that has come to dominate American society.

klone, MSN, RN · May 26, 2018

Freudian slip there, Muno?

Guest219794 · May 27, 2018

Way to simplistic of thought here, not to mention backwards...among other things you are stereotyping anyone who either defends the 2nd amendment or who brings God into the discussion as a "bad person"...I think that the one who choses to murder other people is the "bad person", not the who choses to have a discussion about how to prevent it....
More food for thought.... Our great country was founded by Christians with applied Christian principles, we have been slowly removing God and those principles from every aspect of society, society morals and values have been declining....coincidence? (I think not)

Yes, we used to have more Christianity in government- especially back when we owned slaves. And violence against women was tolerated, often citing the bible as the rationale.

Then the country started understanding the 1st amendment better- "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". But if you look at the pockets that resisted the constitution, and tried to maintain a "Christian" influence in government, those areas of the country that were the most "religious" had some of the most horrific violence. Look at where 20th century lynchings happened the most, and look at the views on government and religion in those regions. What regions of the country do the Klan, and Nazis most flourish in now?

Honestly, the belief that interjecting religion back into government will reduce violence is ludicrous, and simply not borne out by history.

This is no way an indictment of Christianity, or any religion. My use of quotes above is deliberate. Having read just a bit about Jesus, I don't think there is anything christian about many who claim to be his followers.

There are some things government does reasonably well. Religion is not one of them. And given the antipathy of the religious right toward human services and mental health care, I do not think their increased influence will reduces school violence.

osceteacher · May 27, 2018

More food for thought.... Our great country was founded by Christians with applied Christian principles, we have been slowly removing God and those principles from every aspect of society, society morals and values have been declining....coincidence? (I think not)

Objectively false, violent crime is at an all time low, racism is more quickly being consigned to the ignorant and stupid along with homophobia, global deaths from wars are at an all time low, teenage pregnancies are plummeting etc etc.

The only objective truth is that the US ALONE has had a rise in school shootings.

I appreciate that these facts won't make you question your belief that we need god to be better people, modern society is at its most godless and its most peaceful. Maybe spend less time watching Fox news and realise that not only should we be hopeful about millennials but the negativity is just the same old generational thing we've seen since time immemorial and has no basis in reality. Like the bible.

OlderbutBetter · May 28, 2018

"[sOUNDCLOUD][/sOUNDCLOUD]1. On the gun control topic, as a person living in Illinois with some of the strictest gun laws, and as a person who has had not one, not two, but THREE psychiatric hospital stays, am able to own a gun. Because it hasn't happened in the last 5 years. As if my depression has a 5 year deadline.

Illinois FOID application:

Quote: I have not been a patient in a mental institution or any part of a medical facility for the treatment of mental illness within the past 5 years.

Another quote: I have not within the past 5 years been convicted of battery, assault, aggravated assault, violation of an order of protection, or a substantially similar offense in which a firearm was used or possessed."

So if I felt sad and went to my provider for help, you feel I should be stigmatized indefinitely. Even if I no longer have any symptoms of mental illness? By your comments, it follows that if you develop a mental illness, the only way to avoid losing your 2nd Amendment rights would be to forgo any mental health treatment. Do you really believe that would be in anyone's best interest? I find it amazing that because you, yourself have suffered from intractable or recurrent depression, you believe your constitutional rights should be denied indefinitely. Do you have some permanent form of homicidal depression I have never heard of? As a nurse, do you really believe that mental illness cannot, without exception, be cured? I believe that attitudes like this are a very strong deterrent to people who need to seek treatment for a mental illness.

The second statement you quoted makes more sense to me, it seems logical that if you had previously used a firearm to settle differences or threaten others, IMHO, I believe it is likely you might do so again-not because using a firearm is a mental illness, but because it is likely a part of your personality and coping mechanisms.

klone, MSN, RN · May 28, 2018

There is a HUGE range between "five years" and "never"

Surfin USA · May 28, 2018

I think that there should be a zero tolerance policy on bullying, and that said policy should be strictly enforced, including the use of the juvenile judicial system, for children that are in the double digits (10 and older). I'm so sick of these kids being suspended for three days and then later expelled, even in schools where zero tolerance policies are supposedly taken seriously. These "children" sometimes turn out to be like the Menendez brothers, who were just barely outside of being minors and murdered their parents.

There is NO way a school nurse or school teachers or administrators could guarantee a mass shooting free school zone, as there are often also new admissions, people who speak foreign languages, and still enough bigotry, as well as strict or confusion about gender roles, being what amounts to peer- influenced violent behavior that's already enough to make us all cringe.

The only way we REALLY have to ensuring that these youngsters understand that behavior has negative consequences, is by calling the police to investigate every report of violence, so that every episode of violence is met with the real possibility of going to a juvenile jail.

Idk why county schools and public universities are so quick to handle everything internally. It's like being at a hospital or nursing home. If neglect or abuse happens, you report it. It's mandatory. When did abuse become only something that happens to a child or teenager and by an older adult?

If a person reports a rape, call 911. If a kid comes to school saying these kids are throwing rocks at him while walking home from school, it's ABUSE. ITS MANDATORY that this is reported.

I wish people would just stop acting like a kid hitting another kid isn't a big deal. It's a big deal to that child that got hit.

I have called police so many times, and usually it ends with an event report, no charges,no arrests. But calling the police let's these kids know THIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS AND WE ARE NOT TURNING OUR CHEEKS TO IT.

Then you have a kid who (true story) in a philosophy class,answered a question posed by the teacher "can you change a school? I will say no you can not." The kid answered "You can if you bring a gun to school." Imagine all these kids screaming obscenities at this kid for saying something thats scary and dangerous could change a school, and being scared texting their parents.. and the kid gets suspended for no real reason other than a PR mark, with a big meeting with psychologists and county school officials to be sure he's sane? Why is it seemingly impossible to talk about guns at school?? In a PHILOSOPHY class, no less. So when I say I think that most kids over the age of 12 should be allowed to bring a gun to school, assuming they can pass a CCP test, and fire it straight,all because that's their right to defend themselves, and they shouldn't be worried about this kind of crap... Don't send me for a psyche eval! If even three kids in a 20 kid classroom had a gun, I PROMISE you, there would be a helluva lot less school violence. If even more kids had one, not that it's ever going to happen, but if it did, there mightbe more shootings, yes, but there's already a TON of kids dying because they get curious about guns and the school shootings are the least of our concerns to be honest. One on one gun crime is the biggest gun related killer. Guns are excellent violence deterrants. They aren't violent. Just like Soldiers and police, it's how you use it that matters.

*Apologies for misplaced apostrophes and typos. I'm on a cell phone and my Google keyboard automatically adds them or changes words. It's nuts. Blech.

Surfin USA · May 28, 2018

In terms of Christianity, there's something some of you need to know:

Separation of church and state is a one way street. Religion can affect the legislation, but church cannot BE legislated.

I agree... Religion is not a strong suit in America. Church attendance has dropped about 90% in the past 50 years or so. More people... Less believers.

Imho it's all end of days, end times, etc.

But that's a different topic.

For here.. I just wanted to add that cops should always be called on bullies, and kids should have the right to carry firearms on campus.

It's too much to ask teachers and administrators to become mind readers and corrections officers. It just doesn't work that way.

Sounds scary I know. But... It is what it is.