Yet another tragic loss of innocent life today in Santa Fe, Texas. Yet again! As a school nurse, and one who is close to your children and my children, every day during school, these senseless losses tear at my heart...and yet again, it happened today - again.
So here is the relevance of my post to "allnurses." Nurses are, probably, the most accomplished and innovative, critical thinking, problems solving, life saving, "git-er-done," people on the planet. It appears "the experts" have contributed only to reliving the definition of insanity in regard to school shooting; doing the same thing and expecting a different result. Sometimes it takes someone from the outside looking in to find the golden key.
I am requesting your ideas, recommendations, suggestions, thoughts, etc., regarding what you think would prevent future school shootings; as you would a head to toe assessment, identification, and intervention of your patient, so to speak. Or from any other relationship you have to school age children.
I am requesting genuine input. Sarcasm and political attacks are not welcome. If you don't have a contribution you think would be helpful, please don't.
If this turns out how I'm hoping it will, I intend to print the entire thread and mail it to the Governor of Texas, Greg Abbott; opinions from nurses from around the world - how to stop the insanity of school shootings!
Oh puleeze. A belief in a fictional deity is not needed for someone to be a good person, to have morals and values. What a disgustingly narrow-minded opinion.
Sorry you feel that way. I never said someone has to believe in God to be a good person. I agree, there are many good people with good values/morals who do not (believe in God). That was not my point.
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Americans are the only western country that has school shootings, the only one with gun nuts, but its always the mental health, lack of God or bad parents, because other countries do not have that...
There were armed guards at both the last major school shootings, they did nothing.
People who defend gun rights are bad people.
People who use god in any discussion around gun control are bad people.
You're drawing a direct correlation between removing religion from schools and the onset of moral decay. The point seemed pretty obvious to me.
Yes, that is my point/opinion, but not just schools, society in general. And since we have removed Christian principles (good values/morals) society has taken a turn for the worse. It is possible to have good people in society who do not believe in God while at the same time having a society in a downward spiral because of a decrease in morals/values, the two can happen simultaneously.
Yes, that is my point/opinion, but not just schools, society in general. And since we have removed Christian principles (good values/morals) society has taken a turn for the worse. It is possible to have good people in society who do not believe in God while at the same time having a society in a downward spiral because of a decrease in morals/values, the two can happen simultaneously.
Except many of the least religious societies are also have the lowest crimes rates, while many of the most religious societies have the highest crime rates, so your logic doesn't really pan out.
Except many of the least religious societies are also have the lowest crimes rates, while many of the most religious societies have the highest crime rates, so your logic doesn't really pan out.
Well, I am not sure I agree with your interpretation but I would like to see the facts and statistics you are referring too, and how they compare to our country that was founded by Christian leaders and who have also turned away from that.
Well, I am not sure I agree with your interpretation but I would like to see the facts and statistics you are referring too, and how they compare to our country that was founded by Christian leaders and who have also turned away from that.
This country was founded by leaders sprung directly from centuries of religious warfare and irrational dogmatism in Europe. That's why they specifically provided for freedom of religion in our founding document in order to prevent that kind of bloodshed here.
As for "Christian" values, I'm still waiting to see them upheld by the Christian majority. Unless, of course, war, greed, hate, poverty, hunger, child abuse, deliberate ignorance, etc. are the values you're talking about.
The solution to a problem is determined by how the problem is defined. Defining a problem as other people not conforming to your religious views is, quite simply, un-American.
I don't think anyone wants to "starve children", I think the point is that too many people become dependent on the government (ie taxpayers) because they get too comfortable and don't keep trying to fend for themselves, this causes societal problems for both the one receiving the gov. assistance and also the people who are actually paying for them (ie everyone who actually pays taxes)
That's not what I inferred. Also, it still starves children. You're going to starve children because their parents aren't up to par? In this environment there are parents working two and three jobs and still barely making it. For years the cost of living has gone up but wages haven't. Not everyone on gov. assistance is trash nor should their children starve. That mentality is hateful as hell. Folks need to be careful what they put out into the universe against others.
This country was founded by leaders sprung directly from centuries of religious warfare and irrational dogmatism in Europe. That's why they specifically provided for freedom of religion in our founding document in order to prevent that kind of bloodshed here.
As for "Christian" values, I'm still waiting to see them upheld by the Christian majority. Unless, of course, war, greed, hate, poverty, hunger, child abuse, deliberate ignorance, etc. are the values you're talking about.
The solution to a problem is determined by how the problem is defined. Defining a problem as other people not conforming to your religious views is, quite simply, un-American.
Well said! Let's also add those "Christian" values came here with their religion and murdered and enslaved Native Americans and Black people for decades. They're also used to justify all the bigotry currently dividing the country. Thoughts and prayers aren't cutting the muster here.
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How adults interact with guns has an enormous influence on how young people interact with guns. Children pick up on EVERYTHING and inuendo about guns is no exception. I have heard countless times from adults: "if so-and-so comes to my house, I'll shoot him," or "I'd like to see so-and-so try that with me, I'll shoot him..." or whatever cute little roundabout saying indicating gun violence if someone "threatens" your person or property. Have you heard adults talk this way as well? This kind of talk supercedes race, religion, gender...how do we expect kids today to handle the stresses in their lives?
Stop glorifying guns. I am not referring to Call of Duty, rap music, or CSI Miami. I am referring to how gun-owning adults speak about guns. Stop referring to gun violence as a solution to common annoyances, like neighborhood vandalism or annoying in-laws, even if you are not serious (also, please don't be serious). Kids pick up on these things and apply that dialogue to their reality, such as mean teachers and bullies, and we are now seeing the consequences.
Its like MJ said--"If you wanna make the world a better place, take a look at yourself and make a change."
I'm to practical. I don't understand why discussions about religion, culture, child rearing, immigration, etc. would or could have any useful effect on stopping school shootings.
Either make all schools have one enterance with an armed guard, metal detectors, clear plastic backpacks, etc. Or follow Australias gun control laws.
You can own guns in Australia. It is gun control, not gun banning.
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Sorry you feel that way. I never said someone has to believe in God to be a good person. I agree, there are many good people with good values/morals who do not (believe in God). That was not my point.