I just finished taking another A&P 1 exam, and I just have to ask - do y'all really use all of this stuff on the job? Do you really need to know the difference between a tuberosity and a tubercle, or the names of all of the cranial nerves, or what muscles get innervated by what spinal nerves, or the names and locations of the individual bones in the wrist, etc, etc, etc?
Or, for that matter, do you really need to know about all of the philosophers they teach you about in Ethics, or how to do a 2-way ANOVA (Statistics), or what Lev Vygotsky did with his life (Psychology)? Do y'all use _any_ of this stuff "on the job"?
It strikes me that these classes are a lot like throwing a large amount of mud at a wall and hoping some will stick. I'll remember a few things from each, but I can't promise to remember which indentations are called "fossae" and which bear the name "ala".
I intend no disrespect to LPNs/LVNs when I say "RNs and up", but an LPN I know said that what LPNs and RNs really need to know on account of what they do on the job is distinctly varied. Another student in my A&P 1 class said, today after the exam, that her mom is an LPN and she doesn't even know the nine abdominal regions that we learned about in the first week of class. (My takeaway is that she, and at least the other LPNs with whom she works in that facility, don't need to know even this basic A&P information in order to do their jobs successfully.) With this information in mind, I want to see if what I hear from RNs, NPs, and other "specialty nurses" is substantially different.
I've worn a couple of different career hats in my life and I know that in both cases, I didn't use a lot of what I learned on the road toward being fully qualified to "do" that career. I'm still at a solid "A" in A&P 1 with only one exam to go, but part of me is disenchanted with the whole process because I feel like I'm rote-memorizing a whole bunch of stuff I will never again use after regurgitating it for the exams... and that would be naught but a waste of my time.
Yes, SOME of that stuff is too deep and you'll only see it in a test, then forget it. Once you start seeing patients in clinicals, you'll figure out what you need to know and what you don't.
That's precisely my point; if "SOME of that stuff is too deep and you'll only see it in a test, then forget it", then some of that stuff shouldn't be wasting the time or the memory resources of the students in the program. In theory at least, they should be teaching us in these classes what we need to know and what we don't. Maybe classes like A&P should be differentiated for nursing students and medical school hopefuls.
After all, that's exactly what they do with stats and biology. At least at my school, they have first-year stats and "stats for health technologies", and first-year bio and "bio for health technologies". At the nursing school info session, they said that the regular first-year bio class went into more depth than "bio for health technologies", and though both classes would prepare you adequately for A&P, there was no need to take the more rigorous bio class unless you're planning on going into a more rigorous track like medical school or a degree specifically in biology.
6 hours ago, Leader25 said:
Yessssss and by the way drop the y'all.
I'll talk the way I feel like talking, thank you very much. "You all" is the grammatically correct way to refer to multiple people in the second person, and it rolls off the tongue better (and is quicker to type) when said as "y'all". Everyone understands "y'all". We all have our accents and I picked up "y'all" after living for five years in Texas. You try living for five years in Texas and see if you don't come out saying "y'all". Stick to relevant suggestions from here on, okay?
1 hour ago, ThatChickOmi said:
Trust me, you'll need to know your anatomy and physiology, not only for general nursing, also pharmacology. It's not always all fluff.
Honestly, I can only hope that you're right.
But sometimes I don't get what these nursing programs are thinking. To give you an example, very few that I've found require Medical Terminology as part of the curriculum. Now THAT strikes me as something nurses will need to know, because they'll use it all the time. So I decided to take Med Term outside of the curriculum. I haven't felt like I won't use that on the job... and it helps that Med Term is intuitive and patterned. You learn the word parts and how to put them together, and there is a bunch of memorization but surely you need to know what all of the various conditions are and what systems they affect. I've found that Med Term goes over some of what we've learned in A&P, but not in much depth. So I think, "If Med Term doesn't require me to know all of the little details that I learn in A&P, especially when it's being taught by a professor with a DNP, it seems that that's telling me something".
I just finished taking another A&P 1 exam, and I just have to ask - do y'all really use all of this stuff on the job? Do you really need to know the difference between a tuberosity and a tubercle, or the names of all of the cranial nerves, or what muscles get innervated by what spinal nerves, or the names and locations of the individual bones in the wrist, etc, etc, etc?
Or, for that matter, do you really need to know about all of the philosophers they teach you about in Ethics, or how to do a 2-way ANOVA (Statistics), or what Lev Vygotsky did with his life (Psychology)? Do y'all use _any_ of this stuff "on the job"?
It strikes me that these classes are a lot like throwing a large amount of mud at a wall and hoping some will stick. I'll remember a few things from each, but I can't promise to remember which indentations are called "fossae" and which bear the name "ala".
I intend no disrespect to LPNs/LVNs when I say "RNs and up", but an LPN I know said that what LPNs and RNs really need to know on account of what they do on the job is distinctly varied. Another student in my A&P 1 class said, today after the exam, that her mom is an LPN and she doesn't even know the nine abdominal regions that we learned about in the first week of class. (My takeaway is that she, and at least the other LPNs with whom she works in that facility, don't need to know even this basic A&P information in order to do their jobs successfully.) With this information in mind, I want to see if what I hear from RNs, NPs, and other "specialty nurses" is substantially different.
I've worn a couple of different career hats in my life and I know that in both cases, I didn't use a lot of what I learned on the road toward being fully qualified to "do" that career. I'm still at a solid "A" in A&P 1 with only one exam to go, but part of me is disenchanted with the whole process because I feel like I'm rote-memorizing a whole bunch of stuff I will never again use after regurgitating it for the exams... and that would be naught but a waste of my time.
The only thing out of my schooling that I do not use is geometry. I do however know all the abdominal regions by heart. I work in a LTACH so im required to have a certain base of knowledge for my super sick population--- so I resent the whole LPN thing you mentioned.
College education for all fields includes a broad base of knowledge. What you seem to be proposing is to make nursing education more like trade school. I think that used to be the case with the diploma programs.
I, personally, would like nursing to be a profession, not a trade. We should know something about the world. Also, the ability to absorb higher levels of thinking is a way to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical.
3 hours ago, RomaniGypsy said:
That's precisely my point; if "SOME of that stuff is too deep and you'll only see it in a test, then forget it", then some of that stuff shouldn't be wasting the time or the memory resources of the students in the program. In theory at least, they should be teaching us in these classes what we need to know and what we don't. Maybe classes like A&P should be differentiated for nursing students and medical school hopefuls.
After all, that's exactly what they do with stats and biology. At least at my school, they have first-year stats and "stats for health technologies", and first-year bio and "bio for health technologies". At the nursing school info session, they said that the regular first-year bio class went into more depth than "bio for health technologies", and though both classes would prepare you adequately for A&P, there was no need to take the more rigorous bio class unless you're planning on going into a more rigorous track like medical school or a degree specifically in biology.
I'll talk the way I feel like talking, thank you very much. "You all" is the grammatically correct way to refer to multiple people in the second person, and it rolls off the tongue better (and is quicker to type) when said as "y'all". Everyone understands "y'all". We all have our accents and I picked up "y'all" after living for five years in Texas. You try living for five years in Texas and see if you don't come out saying "y'all". Stick to relevant suggestions from here on, okay?
Honestly, I can only hope that you're right.
But sometimes I don't get what these nursing programs are thinking. To give you an example, very few that I've found require Medical Terminology as part of the curriculum. Now THAT strikes me as something nurses will need to know, because they'll use it all the time. So I decided to take Med Term outside of the curriculum. I haven't felt like I won't use that on the job... and it helps that Med Term is intuitive and patterned. You learn the word parts and how to put them together, and there is a bunch of memorization but surely you need to know what all of the various conditions are and what systems they affect. I've found that Med Term goes over some of what we've learned in A&P, but not in much depth. So I think, "If Med Term doesn't require me to know all of the little details that I learn in A&P, especially when it's being taught by a professor with a DNP, it seems that that's telling me something".
While waiting to attend the LVN program I took medical terminology. I memorized the roots, prefix, and suffix so I could parrot back the meaning of many words. It gave the impression of knowing a lot, BUT I did not know the anatomy, physiology, and pathophysiology needed to truly understand what those words meant.
I learned those when taking prerequisites and finally when caring for patients.
But sometimes I don't get what these nursing programs are thinking. To give you an example, very few that I've found require Medical Terminology as part of the curriculum. Now THAT strikes me as something nurses will need to know, because they'll use it all the time. So I decided to take Med Term outside of the curriculum. I haven't felt like I won't use that on the job... and it helps that Med Term is intuitive and patterned. You learn the word parts and how to put them together, and there is a bunch of memorization but surely you need to know what all of the various conditions are and what systems they affect. I've found that Med Term goes over some of what we've learned in A&P, but not in much depth. So I think, "If Med Term doesn't require me to know all of the little details that I learn in A&P, especially when it's being taught by a professor with a DNP, it seems that that's telling me something".
You are a student, and not even yet a nursing student, yes? We will cut you slack for this, to the degree that you accept what professional nurses are telling you the answer is to the question you asked of them.
Your statement above, about the medical terminology class is very telling of your lack of knowledge regarding the field of nursing -- which you seem to want to believe is a technical, vocational career. Nurses are professionals with a high degree of technical skills, much like other science-based professions (PT, OT, Medicine, Engineering, etc.) They are not technicians, however.
Medical terminology is a technical class -- building technical skill. Nurses learn medical terminology in their nursing classes and then further, on the job. I could be wrong, but I don't think medical terminology is included in med-school programs either. Yet, you "don't get what these nursing schools are thinking"? Because you would know better?
I don't think you have a true view of the nursing profession. Which is understandable, because you are not a nurse and are not even in nursing school yet. But trust us, the majority here are telling you, you need to take these classes seriously if you are serious about becoming a nurse. In fact, if you look around AN very much you'll notice many, many nurses feel the path to nursing should be more rigorous than it is. -- But that is another thread.
I remember everything that I learned from my science classes. Maybe I am an outlier, but I HIGHLY doubt it.
Nurses do not simply carry out orders and do what "The physician tells us/writes on an order". We THINK, we ensure the order is correct and carry it out if it is correct. On a weekly basis I am calling a physician to VERY politely mention that a patient is allergic to the Sulfa ABTs ordered, can "we" make a switch.
You have to THINK critically. This means you must dig into your depth of knowledge to practice our profession. You cannot view it as a trade, it is a true profession.
When I took micro at a Massachusetts school, it was specialized- Microbiology for Healthcare Professionals. If I were designing a nursing program from the ground up, I'd gear a lot of things e.g. stats, A&P with that bent in mind.
Do you "need" all the gen-ed extras? No. Is is good to have them? Yes.
I could be wrong, but I don't think medical terminology is included in med-school programs either. Yet, you "don't get what these nursing schools are thinking"? Because you would know better?
I am married to a 3rd-year med student. You are correct, they do not have a separate "medical terminology" course.
You are a student, and not even yet a nursing student, yes? We will cut you slack for this, to the degree that you accept what professional nurses are telling you the answer is to the question you asked of them.
Your statement above, about the medical terminology class is very telling of your lack of knowledge regarding the field of nursing -- which you seem to want to believe is a technical, vocational career. Nurses are professionals with a high degree of technical skills, much like other science-based professions (PT, OT, Medicine, Engineering, etc.) They are not technicians, however.
Medical terminology is a technical class -- building technical skill. Nurses learn medical terminology in their nursing classes and then further, on the job. I could be wrong, but I don't think medical terminology is included in med-school programs either. Yet, you "don't get what these nursing schools are thinking"? Because you would know better?
I don't think you have a true view of the nursing profession. Which is understandable, because you are not a nurse and are not even in nursing school yet. But trust us, the majority here are telling you, you need to take these classes seriously if you are serious about becoming a nurse. In fact, if you look around AN very much you'll notice many, many nurses feel the path to nursing should be more rigorous than it is. -- But that is another thread.
I have been accepted into a nursing program (RN) "provisionally" due to the track through which I had to apply, which holds my seat in the cohort I selected. My acceptance becomes complete upon my completion of A&P 1 with a grade of B or better. So, I'll be "official" in barely more than two weeks if I don't crash and burn before then. It'd take a serious screw-up on the last remaining A&P exam to drop my grade below the B range.
I don't believe that I ever said that I considered nursing to be a vocation... but I don't think there needs to be this much differentiation between what is a "profession" and what is a "vocation". Either way, it's a job, where you have to have a certain amount of knowledge in order to perform your designated duties expertly, you have to dress a certain way, you have to yes-sir and no-ma'am your way through the day, etc., trading away the time you will never be able to get back (which you'd much rather be spending doing things you thoroughly enjoy) for a bunch of stupid green paper that you're told to use to buy back the freedoms and rights that our human ancestors enjoyed as birthrights but have now been appropriated into "privileges" for us.
Yeah, I know, sounds pretty cynical... but I have nothing good to say about the current system. My truth is that I don't actually want to have any kind of what the modern system calls "a career". Careers are BS. Humans aren't made for "careers". Heck, I see things even on this forum where people complain about this aspect of nursing and that aspect of nursing and whatever. I put up another thread about why there is such a push to get men into nursing and one of the responses came from a male nurse, who said among other things that he left bedside nursing because he was always being used for his muscle, to lift heavy patients, and it had already screwed up his back and it was only a matter of time before he'd sustain a career-ending injury on the job if he didn't leave bedside nursing. Then I hear of nurses who have become calcified after years on the job... my cousin (an RN for at least 17 years) has talked about all of the hardships nurses face (mostly mentally)... if this "career" were really a good match for human nature, humans wouldn't suffer all of these problems on account of having this "career". I can say the same of pretty much every other "career" out there.
There are only two "career fields" where people never want to retire, generally speaking - artists and clergy. (Being an artist of any type doesn't pay well, and I'm essentially an atheist.) Beyond that, it's always "how many more years do I have to suffer through this before I can finally pack it in and retire?". Nobody _wants_ that kind of mentality, no matter how much they may say that it's a necessary evil (it isn't).
There is that part of me that wants to drop from the nursing program because I know I'm only doing it because it's something I'm sure I could do well, it pays well, it allows above-average flexibility, and there seems to be a demand for strong men in nursing. (I saw it myself when my wife, a delightfully large lady, had a hiatal hernia repair in 2015. They wheeled her into her room on the gurney after she came out of recovery and at the time there were no people available who were strong enough to transfer her. In essence, she had to get up herself and get into the other bed herself... after just waking up from a relatively major surgery.)
I'm not doing it because this is my dream. My dream is to change the world. I see the suffering of humankind more acutely than most if not all people I've ever encountered, and not a day goes by when I'm not flooded with the feeling that I have to DO SOMETHING about that (which is, in my case anyway, accompanied by the knowledge of what actually has to be done... meaning that I know exactly what I'd do, if only I had the time and money to be able to do it instead of wasting my life making money). Yesterday I did this week's Ethics assignment, and I nearly cried reading the chapter (on Native American ethics). I have been more fired up doing this Ethics stuff than I've been with pretty much any class I've taken in recent memory.
I know I'm not going to change the world as a nurse. That has nothing to do with nursing; nobody ever changes the world in the course of their "job" or "career", at least not for the better. You look at anyone who has made lasting positive changes in the _world_ (not just "in a few people's lives"), and they didn't do it as some "employee" of some establishment. Nursing would be a means to an end for me - the end being the ability to finance my dream when I wasn't fortunate enough to be born into (or marry into) money, or into a family that has any desire to give much of its available financial support to its kids / kids-in-law.
That's why I really don't want to be wasting my time learning a bunch of stuff that I will never use. I'm happy to learn what I will use later on, and maybe it isn't so bad for younger people who don't have as much going on in their lives such that they can focus more time on rote-memorizing a bunch of random facts that they may just use 20 years down the road when they get unexpectedly rotated to a unit they aren't familiar with... but I already have a lot on my plate, my wife has been increasingly unable to do what she used to do to help out because all-day "morning sickness" has kicked in and probably will stick around until June (if this pregnancy goes like her first did), and then come December, one month before my scheduled start for clinical classes, I'll be a father again. My time is going to be at a serious premium if I want to be the kind of father that my kids need, and the kind of partner / helper that my wife needs. I don't think I can be blamed for not wanting to waste my precious time learning stuff I will never need to use "on the job".
I don't accept the whole "well-rounded education" bit, in this context. By the time people get into nursing school, they already have a well-rounded education because they've graduated high school with good grades. (Only good grades will get you into a nursing program to begin with.) I won't argue "well-rounded education" generally, but by the time you hit college, you should already have enough of that and now it's time to specialize.
Maybe I should just give my spot in the nursing program to someone else more desirous of the "career" than I am. That is still an option on the table... especially now with the second baby coming. (It took six years to get the first pregnancy. Had I known that it'd take barely more than one year to get this one, I wouldn't have signed up for any of these classes this semester. But I do like to finish what I start.)
If things are only going to get harder in the clinical classes... to me that doesn't say "man, I'll probably fail"; rather, it says "man, I'll have to spend tons of time studying and doing homework in order to keep getting As, and that's time I won't have with my wife and kids when the kids will want it and the wife will need it".
I have been accepted into a nursing program (RN) "provisionally" due to the track through which I had to apply, which holds my seat in the cohort I selected. My acceptance becomes complete upon my completion of A&P 1 with a grade of B or better. So, I'll be "official" in barely more than two weeks if I don't crash and burn before then. It'd take a serious screw-up on the last remaining A&P exam to drop my grade below the B range.
I don't believe that I ever said that I considered nursing to be a vocation... but I don't think there needs to be this much differentiation between what is a "profession" and what is a "vocation". Either way, it's a job, where you have to have a certain amount of knowledge in order to perform your designated duties expertly, you have to dress a certain way, you have to yes-sir and no-ma'am your way through the day, etc., trading away the time you will never be able to get back (which you'd much rather be spending doing things you thoroughly enjoy) for a bunch of stupid green paper that you're told to use to buy back the freedoms and rights that our human ancestors enjoyed as birthrights but have now been appropriated into "privileges" for us.
Yeah, I know, sounds pretty cynical... but I have nothing good to say about the current system. My truth is that I don't actually want to have any kind of what the modern system calls "a career". Careers are BS. Humans aren't made for "careers". Heck, I see things even on this forum where people complain about this aspect of nursing and that aspect of nursing and whatever. I put up another thread about why there is such a push to get men into nursing and one of the responses came from a male nurse, who said among other things that he left bedside nursing because he was always being used for his muscle, to lift heavy patients, and it had already screwed up his back and it was only a matter of time before he'd sustain a career-ending injury on the job if he didn't leave bedside nursing. Then I hear of nurses who have become calcified after years on the job... my cousin (an RN for at least 17 years) has talked about all of the hardships nurses face (mostly mentally)... if this "career" were really a good match for human nature, humans wouldn't suffer all of these problems on account of having this "career". I can say the same of pretty much every other "career" out there.
There are only two "career fields" where people never want to retire, generally speaking - artists and clergy. (Being an artist of any type doesn't pay well, and I'm essentially an atheist.) Beyond that, it's always "how many more years do I have to suffer through this before I can finally pack it in and retire?". Nobody _wants_ that kind of mentality, no matter how much they may say that it's a necessary evil (it isn't).
There is that part of me that wants to drop from the nursing program because I know I'm only doing it because it's something I'm sure I could do well, it pays well, it allows above-average flexibility, and there seems to be a demand for strong men in nursing. (I saw it myself when my wife, a delightfully large lady, had a hiatal hernia repair in 2015. They wheeled her into her room on the gurney after she came out of recovery and at the time there were no people available who were strong enough to transfer her. In essence, she had to get up herself and get into the other bed herself... after just waking up from a relatively major surgery.)
I'm not doing it because this is my dream. My dream is to change the world. I see the suffering of humankind more acutely than most if not all people I've ever encountered, and not a day goes by when I'm not flooded with the feeling that I have to DO SOMETHING about that (which is, in my case anyway, accompanied by the knowledge of what actually has to be done... meaning that I know exactly what I'd do, if only I had the time and money to be able to do it instead of wasting my life making money). Yesterday I did this week's Ethics assignment, and I nearly cried reading the chapter (on Native American ethics). I have been more fired up doing this Ethics stuff than I've been with pretty much any class I've taken in recent memory.
I know I'm not going to change the world as a nurse. That has nothing to do with nursing; nobody ever changes the world in the course of their "job" or "career", at least not for the better. You look at anyone who has made lasting positive changes in the _world_ (not just "in a few people's lives"), and they didn't do it as some "employee" of some establishment. Nursing would be a means to an end for me - the end being the ability to finance my dream when I wasn't fortunate enough to be born into (or marry into) money, or into a family that has any desire to give much of its available financial support to its kids / kids-in-law.
That's why I really don't want to be wasting my time learning a bunch of stuff that I will never use. I'm happy to learn what I will use later on, and maybe it isn't so bad for younger people who don't have as much going on in their lives such that they can focus more time on rote-memorizing a bunch of random facts that they may just use 20 years down the road when they get unexpectedly rotated to a unit they aren't familiar with... but I already have a lot on my plate, my wife has been increasingly unable to do what she used to do to help out because all-day "morning sickness" has kicked in and probably will stick around until June (if this pregnancy goes like her first did), and then come December, one month before my scheduled start for clinical classes, I'll be a father again. My time is going to be at a serious premium if I want to be the kind of father that my kids need, and the kind of partner / helper that my wife needs. I don't think I can be blamed for not wanting to waste my precious time learning stuff I will never need to use "on the job".
I don't accept the whole "well-rounded education" bit, in this context. By the time people get into nursing school, they already have a well-rounded education because they've graduated high school with good grades. (Only good grades will get you into a nursing program to begin with.) I won't argue "well-rounded education" generally, but by the time you hit college, you should already have enough of that and now it's time to specialize.
Maybe I should just give my spot in the nursing program to someone else more desirous of the "career" than I am. That is still an option on the table... especially now with the second baby coming. (It took six years to get the first pregnancy. Had I known that it'd take barely more than one year to get this one, I wouldn't have signed up for any of these classes this semester. But I do like to finish what I start.)
If things are only going to get harder in the clinical classes... to me that doesn't say "man, I'll probably fail"; rather, it says "man, I'll have to spend tons of time studying and doing homework in order to keep getting As, and that's time I won't have with my wife and kids when the kids will want it and the wife will need it".
I'm wondering if anything would make you happy-cynical would be an understatement. It kind of sounds like you are disenchanted with the whole concept of working for a living. I get the impression you'd rather pursue a hobby or advance a noble philosophical position and get paid for it. NOTHING wrong with that btw. As you said, that works out for a very small percentage of people on the planet. Lucky them, but for most people in the human experience, life is full of moments that you must live through while the preference is to be doing something else with your time. That's why it's called work. Maybe you just haven't found your passion, whether or not that turns out to be something that will "change the world."
My husband is self employed in real estate. He LOVES what he does. He loves the whole process: driving property, looking at his self-researched aerial maps for hours/days/weeks/months trying to figure out what the next good "big deal" would be. He totally revels in the whole negotiating process. He's determined as a pit bull and that "art of the deal" is one big rush to him. He gets up happily every day, excited for what it holds for him. Sometimes it can be stressful and draining, and it can be discouraging being told "no" a lot. But even all that is something that he finds stimulating-it just gives him a bigger challenge and the payoff later is even more satisfying. He's done really well in this career-not only because he is intelligent and very driven. It's because he finds it all very fascinating.
Now *I* would go nuts doing what he does. Lots of people might argue that he doesn't change the world for the better, though in some ways he certainly has. I would HATE some the aspects of his job that just really float his boat.
So back to your assertion: "There are only two "career fields" where people never want to retire, generally speaking - artists and clergy.Beyond that, it's always "how many more years do I have to suffer through this before I can finally pack it in and retire?" This isn't true-not for my husband, and not for many others. My Dad was put into retirement basically kicking and screaming-aviation. He is 82 and would be working in his beloved field right now if he were able. So you are wrong, and probably can't see it because apparently you've never found anything that really got you going like my Dad and my husband, and others in my acquaintance who are very fulfilled on a day to day basis.
Maybe you'll find your passion. It sure doesn't sound like it's nursing, and that's perfectly ok.
I am a first career teacher, second career RN, third career NP.
In every educational setting, it seemed like a game to figure out which small percentage of this pablum we are feeding you will actually turn out to be needed.
Between the three programs, the basic RN education was the most packed with important info.
In the other programs, they just talked around the subject
RomaniGypsy
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That's precisely my point; if "SOME of that stuff is too deep and you'll only see it in a test, then forget it", then some of that stuff shouldn't be wasting the time or the memory resources of the students in the program. In theory at least, they should be teaching us in these classes what we need to know and what we don't. Maybe classes like A&P should be differentiated for nursing students and medical school hopefuls.
After all, that's exactly what they do with stats and biology. At least at my school, they have first-year stats and "stats for health technologies", and first-year bio and "bio for health technologies". At the nursing school info session, they said that the regular first-year bio class went into more depth than "bio for health technologies", and though both classes would prepare you adequately for A&P, there was no need to take the more rigorous bio class unless you're planning on going into a more rigorous track like medical school or a degree specifically in biology.
I'll talk the way I feel like talking, thank you very much. "You all" is the grammatically correct way to refer to multiple people in the second person, and it rolls off the tongue better (and is quicker to type) when said as "y'all". Everyone understands "y'all". We all have our accents and I picked up "y'all" after living for five years in Texas. You try living for five years in Texas and see if you don't come out saying "y'all". Stick to relevant suggestions from here on, okay?
Honestly, I can only hope that you're right.
But sometimes I don't get what these nursing programs are thinking. To give you an example, very few that I've found require Medical Terminology as part of the curriculum. Now THAT strikes me as something nurses will need to know, because they'll use it all the time. So I decided to take Med Term outside of the curriculum. I haven't felt like I won't use that on the job... and it helps that Med Term is intuitive and patterned. You learn the word parts and how to put them together, and there is a bunch of memorization but surely you need to know what all of the various conditions are and what systems they affect. I've found that Med Term goes over some of what we've learned in A&P, but not in much depth. So I think, "If Med Term doesn't require me to know all of the little details that I learn in A&P, especially when it's being taught by a professor with a DNP, it seems that that's telling me something".