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  1. I have been accepted into a nursing program (RN) "provisionally" due to the track through which I had to apply, which holds my seat in the cohort I selected. My acceptance becomes complete upon my completion of A&P 1 with a grade of B or better. So, I'll be "official" in barely more than two weeks if I don't crash and burn before then. It'd take a serious screw-up on the last remaining A&P exam to drop my grade below the B range. I don't believe that I ever said that I considered nursing to be a vocation... but I don't think there needs to be this much differentiation between what is a "profession" and what is a "vocation". Either way, it's a job, where you have to have a certain amount of knowledge in order to perform your designated duties expertly, you have to dress a certain way, you have to yes-sir and no-ma'am your way through the day, etc., trading away the time you will never be able to get back (which you'd much rather be spending doing things you thoroughly enjoy) for a bunch of stupid green paper that you're told to use to buy back the freedoms and rights that our human ancestors enjoyed as birthrights but have now been appropriated into "privileges" for us. Yeah, I know, sounds pretty cynical... but I have nothing good to say about the current system. My truth is that I don't actually want to have any kind of what the modern system calls "a career". Careers are BS. Humans aren't made for "careers". Heck, I see things even on this forum where people complain about this aspect of nursing and that aspect of nursing and whatever. I put up another thread about why there is such a push to get men into nursing and one of the responses came from a male nurse, who said among other things that he left bedside nursing because he was always being used for his muscle, to lift heavy patients, and it had already screwed up his back and it was only a matter of time before he'd sustain a career-ending injury on the job if he didn't leave bedside nursing. Then I hear of nurses who have become calcified after years on the job... my cousin (an RN for at least 17 years) has talked about all of the hardships nurses face (mostly mentally)... if this "career" were really a good match for human nature, humans wouldn't suffer all of these problems on account of having this "career". I can say the same of pretty much every other "career" out there. There are only two "career fields" where people never want to retire, generally speaking - artists and clergy. (Being an artist of any type doesn't pay well, and I'm essentially an atheist.) Beyond that, it's always "how many more years do I have to suffer through this before I can finally pack it in and retire?". Nobody _wants_ that kind of mentality, no matter how much they may say that it's a necessary evil (it isn't). There is that part of me that wants to drop from the nursing program because I know I'm only doing it because it's something I'm sure I could do well, it pays well, it allows above-average flexibility, and there seems to be a demand for strong men in nursing. (I saw it myself when my wife, a delightfully large lady, had a hiatal hernia repair in 2015. They wheeled her into her room on the gurney after she came out of recovery and at the time there were no people available who were strong enough to transfer her. In essence, she had to get up herself and get into the other bed herself... after just waking up from a relatively major surgery.) I'm not doing it because this is my dream. My dream is to change the world. I see the suffering of humankind more acutely than most if not all people I've ever encountered, and not a day goes by when I'm not flooded with the feeling that I have to DO SOMETHING about that (which is, in my case anyway, accompanied by the knowledge of what actually has to be done... meaning that I know exactly what I'd do, if only I had the time and money to be able to do it instead of wasting my life making money). Yesterday I did this week's Ethics assignment, and I nearly cried reading the chapter (on Native American ethics). I have been more fired up doing this Ethics stuff than I've been with pretty much any class I've taken in recent memory. I know I'm not going to change the world as a nurse. That has nothing to do with nursing; nobody ever changes the world in the course of their "job" or "career", at least not for the better. You look at anyone who has made lasting positive changes in the _world_ (not just "in a few people's lives"), and they didn't do it as some "employee" of some establishment. Nursing would be a means to an end for me - the end being the ability to finance my dream when I wasn't fortunate enough to be born into (or marry into) money, or into a family that has any desire to give much of its available financial support to its kids / kids-in-law. That's why I really don't want to be wasting my time learning a bunch of stuff that I will never use. I'm happy to learn what I will use later on, and maybe it isn't so bad for younger people who don't have as much going on in their lives such that they can focus more time on rote-memorizing a bunch of random facts that they may just use 20 years down the road when they get unexpectedly rotated to a unit they aren't familiar with... but I already have a lot on my plate, my wife has been increasingly unable to do what she used to do to help out because all-day "morning sickness" has kicked in and probably will stick around until June (if this pregnancy goes like her first did), and then come December, one month before my scheduled start for clinical classes, I'll be a father again. My time is going to be at a serious premium if I want to be the kind of father that my kids need, and the kind of partner / helper that my wife needs. I don't think I can be blamed for not wanting to waste my precious time learning stuff I will never need to use "on the job". I don't accept the whole "well-rounded education" bit, in this context. By the time people get into nursing school, they already have a well-rounded education because they've graduated high school with good grades. (Only good grades will get you into a nursing program to begin with.) I won't argue "well-rounded education" generally, but by the time you hit college, you should already have enough of that and now it's time to specialize. Maybe I should just give my spot in the nursing program to someone else more desirous of the "career" than I am. That is still an option on the table... especially now with the second baby coming. (It took six years to get the first pregnancy. Had I known that it'd take barely more than one year to get this one, I wouldn't have signed up for any of these classes this semester. But I do like to finish what I start.) If things are only going to get harder in the clinical classes... to me that doesn't say "man, I'll probably fail"; rather, it says "man, I'll have to spend tons of time studying and doing homework in order to keep getting As, and that's time I won't have with my wife and kids when the kids will want it and the wife will need it".
  2. That's precisely my point; if "SOME of that stuff is too deep and you'll only see it in a test, then forget it", then some of that stuff shouldn't be wasting the time or the memory resources of the students in the program. In theory at least, they should be teaching us in these classes what we need to know and what we don't. Maybe classes like A&P should be differentiated for nursing students and medical school hopefuls. After all, that's exactly what they do with stats and biology. At least at my school, they have first-year stats and "stats for health technologies", and first-year bio and "bio for health technologies". At the nursing school info session, they said that the regular first-year bio class went into more depth than "bio for health technologies", and though both classes would prepare you adequately for A&P, there was no need to take the more rigorous bio class unless you're planning on going into a more rigorous track like medical school or a degree specifically in biology. I'll talk the way I feel like talking, thank you very much. "You all" is the grammatically correct way to refer to multiple people in the second person, and it rolls off the tongue better (and is quicker to type) when said as "y'all". Everyone understands "y'all". We all have our accents and I picked up "y'all" after living for five years in Texas. You try living for five years in Texas and see if you don't come out saying "y'all". Stick to relevant suggestions from here on, okay? Honestly, I can only hope that you're right. But sometimes I don't get what these nursing programs are thinking. To give you an example, very few that I've found require Medical Terminology as part of the curriculum. Now THAT strikes me as something nurses will need to know, because they'll use it all the time. So I decided to take Med Term outside of the curriculum. I haven't felt like I won't use that on the job... and it helps that Med Term is intuitive and patterned. You learn the word parts and how to put them together, and there is a bunch of memorization but surely you need to know what all of the various conditions are and what systems they affect. I've found that Med Term goes over some of what we've learned in A&P, but not in much depth. So I think, "If Med Term doesn't require me to know all of the little details that I learn in A&P, especially when it's being taught by a professor with a DNP, it seems that that's telling me something".
  3. So, yes indeed I agree that I got a bunch of good responses. My thing is this - I'm not going to remember all of this stuff. Who ever does? You learn it for the tests, regurgitate it as best you can, and then later on you forget it. When presented with it again at some point later on, you might remember having gone over it in the past but you still need your memory refreshed, so it's effectively like re-learning it. I do believe in learning what needs to be known for the job. But to give you an idea of what I'm talking about - I taught high school physics for a year. To do so you must have a bachelor's degree with at least a concentration in physics. I have that. To get it, I had to take classes in quantum mechanics, classical mechanics, radiation lab, numerical differential equations, etc. I remember taking two years of AP physics in high school. We _never_ did anything from any of the classes I just listed. Therefore, you literally don't need to know that stuff in order to teach whatever physics you will ever teach in high school, even if you teach the AP classes. I'm sure that you need to know a few things about anatomy and physiology. I'm not saying that that, or stats, or ethics, or psychology, etc. are useless. I just think that we're likely to encounter, let's say, less than half of what we learn. Look at what some of y'all said. "It's good to know the bones if you're on an ortho unit". Fine. But what if you're not on an ortho unit? Unless you rotate around from unit to unit for your entire career and have the most amazing photographic memory ever, a lot of the time you spent in college-level Anatomy & Physiology will have been wasted because at some point you will have to study it all again so as to refresh your memory. It strikes me that what one of the posters said would be the most logical solution - that nursing education ought to be like medical education in a sense. Meaning - people learn what every last RN in the country will _definitely_ use on the job, and the advanced stuff that is relevant to specific nursing duties that not all nurses will do, and/or specific nursing wings on which not all nurses will work, gets taught later on as additional course work for qualification to be able to work on that unit or in that specialty. After all, that's how it goes as an advanced practice RN, as I understand... you have to take certain specific education geared toward the specialty you are seeking. I haven't been blowing anything off. I'm at a straight 4.0 right now, at least if we count the 60 or so credits I have earned since having graduated from college the first time... and I didn't do badly my first time around. I just don't feel like I have a lot of free time right now, with classes and work and a toddler and a pregnant wife, and it's becoming more than a little frustrating that I'm rote-memorizing a whole bunch of stuff that I know I will forget later on and have to look up. (I'm not the only one either. Occasionally the A&P professor asks us to recall something that we had to know for a previous exam and pretty much everyone in the class, nearly all of us nursing students, are like "uhhhhhh......?". The stuff starts to blur together, the "new" stuff replaces the "old" stuff in our memories, and only the most memorable stuff from previous units sticks with us.)
  4. I just finished taking another A&P 1 exam, and I just have to ask - do y'all really use all of this stuff on the job? Do you really need to know the difference between a tuberosity and a tubercle, or the names of all of the cranial nerves, or what muscles get innervated by what spinal nerves, or the names and locations of the individual bones in the wrist, etc, etc, etc? Or, for that matter, do you really need to know about all of the philosophers they teach you about in Ethics, or how to do a 2-way ANOVA (Statistics), or what Lev Vygotsky did with his life (Psychology)? Do y'all use _any_ of this stuff "on the job"? It strikes me that these classes are a lot like throwing a large amount of mud at a wall and hoping some will stick. I'll remember a few things from each, but I can't promise to remember which indentations are called "fossae" and which bear the name "ala". I intend no disrespect to LPNs/LVNs when I say "RNs and up", but an LPN I know said that what LPNs and RNs really need to know on account of what they do on the job is distinctly varied. Another student in my A&P 1 class said, today after the exam, that her mom is an LPN and she doesn't even know the nine abdominal regions that we learned about in the first week of class. (My takeaway is that she, and at least the other LPNs with whom she works in that facility, don't need to know even this basic A&P information in order to do their jobs successfully.) With this information in mind, I want to see if what I hear from RNs, NPs, and other "specialty nurses" is substantially different. I've worn a couple of different career hats in my life and I know that in both cases, I didn't use a lot of what I learned on the road toward being fully qualified to "do" that career. I'm still at a solid "A" in A&P 1 with only one exam to go, but part of me is disenchanted with the whole process because I feel like I'm rote-memorizing a whole bunch of stuff I will never again use after regurgitating it for the exams... and that would be naught but a waste of my time.
  5. I'm a man and I may not get it. AllNurses just posted an article about getting more men into nursing, there is an association for men in nursing that is trying to get more men into nursing... and I want to hear from experienced nurses about why there should be more men in nursing (if nurses really do think that there should be more men in nursing). The only good reason(s) for pushing to get more men into nursing would point to what men can do better than women, generally, in the field of nursing. If men have no advantage over women, then there is no good reason to push for more of them to go into nursing. I've never been a fan of any push to get any people of any gender, ethnicity, or race into any specific field; rather, I've always said that each person's merits and desires as they relate to the field should be the only things considered. I only see one concrete way and one possible way that men could have an advantage over women in nursing, and that is not to say that women don't have certain advantages over men in nursing - I can think of a couple of possibilities anyway. So what do I think are the advantages held by men? 1) Physical strength. This would seem to be a certainty as an advantage, given all I have read about how nurses are often tasked with moving and lifting patients. Since men are usually stronger than women, it would seem that they would be better able to do this and suffer less lasting damage as a result. 2) This one is the "maybe" - and it would be contingent upon certain patients having a preference for a male nurse over a female nurse. I doubt that happens often, but I'd also doubt that it happens never. In this case, the mere condition of being male would be the advantage. Is there more? (And/or are the two reasons I just listed not relevant?) I would claim that it has something to do with alleviating the nursing shortage, but one of the main reasons for that shortage is a lack of available spots in nursing school, which affects all genders equally... so I reject that claim for now at least.