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Swellz has 6 years experience and works as a RN.

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I would encourage anyone considering becoming an RN to plan to get the BSN. There are programs where you can get your ADN, take the boards and finish your BSN online while working. I do see BSNs becoming the minimum in the near future. Many hospitals also give partial tuition reimbursement. The BSN is required if you want to continue your education to be an advanced practice RN, such as NP, CRNA, etc.

Preach.

To clarify my post for anyone reading the thread, I wasn't saying it was an error that I got my BSN, just that I didn't do it in a logical way. I could have saved so much money by going to an ADN program and then an RN to BSN program supplemented by an employer. I know when you're 18 or 22 you're not thinking about the impact debt has on your future, but it does. Even if you have to get a BSN to get hired in your area, you usually have a choice between a private or state school. Why pay more for the degree if you won't receive more in pay?

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CapeCodMermaid has 30+ years experience and works as a DNS.

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Years ago the VNA of Cape Cod said they would only hire BSN prepared nurses. I was working with another home health care company. The VNA happened to stop by, saw what I was doing and offered me a job on the spot. When I told her I didn't have BSN I was told they 'only put that in the ad but hire other nurses.'

It never hurts to apply.

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Beldar_the_Cenobite works as a Certified Nursing Assistant.

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I think I did hear something about nursing licenses becoming federal licenses instead of state where if you move to another state, you don't have to retake the NCLEX in that new state because it doesn't recognize the NCLEX you took from the state you moved from. Makes sense to me because when I finished my nursing pre-reqs, I took a culinary cooking class and they said that you no longer have to take the state version, you can take the federal version which I think is cheaper if not more expensive and its' expiration date is longer than the state version which a lot of cooks and servers, etc are moving towards because of the convenience and they can move to another state with it. It's called Servsafe for culinary. Nothing is official for nursing yet, and I don't know why every state is different. It doesn't make any sense to me.. Also, I believe drivers license's are doing that too, but I think that's a passport thing.

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Beldar_the_Cenobite works as a Certified Nursing Assistant.

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None of the hospitals around here require a BSN. They prefer a certification over a BSN. ADNs get hired just as easily. They are both registered nurses with the SAME SCOPE OF PRACTICE.

But there are things BSNs have to learn or are legally allowed to do that ADNs can't. I can't remember what they were, but payscale between the two during an interview is also an issue facilities have. I was told that it's the same salary for a BSN than it is for an ADN on top of what BSNs can do that ADNs can't. There's a lot of things I guess ADNs don't know or have to do that BSNs do, but I can't ******* remember what they were, and they were valid reasons as to why ADN is pointless to go with on the side that programs cost the same, BSN being the more attractive option.

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I think I did hear something about nursing licenses becoming federal licenses instead of state where if you move to another state, you don't have to retake the NCLEX in that new state because it doesn't recognize the NCLEX you took from the state you moved from.

The NCLEX is a national exam. You do NOT have to retake it when you relocate state to state!

But there are things BSNs have to learn or are legally allowed to do that ADNs can't. I can't remember what they were, but payscale between the two during an interview is also an issue facilities have. I was told that it's the same salary for a BSN than it is for an ADN on top of what BSNs can do that ADNs can't. There's a lot of things I guess ADNs don't know or have to do that BSNs do, but I can't ******* remember what they were, and they were valid reasons as to why ADN is pointless to go with on the side that programs cost the same, BSN being the more attractive option.

Where do you get your information?! Everything you have written is absolutely incorrect. An ADN and a BSN have the exact same scope of practice. They take the exact same licensing exam. There is literally nothing a BSN can do that an ADN cannot including management, teaching, bedside care, writing and research. The reason you can't blankety blank "remember what they were" is because they do NOT exist.

You need to find a better source for your information or you might find yourself in a pickle.

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klone has 13 years experience as a MSN, RN and works as a Director of OB Services.

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But there are things BSNs have to learn or are legally allowed to do that ADNs can't.

False. They take the exact same exam, they have the exact same license, and have the exact same scope of practice.

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Hoosier_RN has 20 years experience as a MSN and works as a Dialysis.

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Reading the title and being nit picky this morning. It's obsolete...

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JadedCPN has 13 years experience as a BSN, RN and works as a Pediatric Float RN.

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But there are things BSNs have to learn or are legally allowed to do that ADNs can't.

This is absolutely, completely not accurate in any way shape or form. At all.

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Rose_Queen is a BSN, MSN, RN and works as a Staff nurse educator.

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The NCLEX is a national exam. You do NOT have to retake it when you relocate state to state!

Where do you get your information?! Everything you have written is absolutely incorrect. An ADN and a BSN have the exact same scope of practice. They take the exact same licensing exam. There is literally nothing a BSN can do that an ADN cannot including management, teaching, bedside care, writing and research. The reason you can't blankety blank "remember what they were" is because they do NOT exist.

You need to find a better source for your information or you might find yourself in a pickle.

Member's posting history is ... interesting. Member should rethink sources on a lot of things.

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CapeCodMermaid has 30+ years experience and works as a DNS.

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Gotta love people who pontificate without knowing the truth. BSN, ADN, diploma...we ALL had to pass the same exam to become RNs. RNs can do things LPNs can't do but the rest is hooey.

PS. Massachusetts will NEVER change the way they do things.

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I know. This false propaganda of "nursing shortage" is one of the greatest hoaxes that was ever construed and perpetuated upon the workforce. Over the summer I saw a new grad BSN who told me that not even one of her classmates had employment after graduating with a BSN. A BSN is an RN is an RN is an RN, and the thought of people graduating with $80K of student debt not to have a job is sickening. Watch, once the BSN level reaches a saturation point, like the ADN did, they will up the ante to an MSN. Its coming, and its sad.

Holy cow where do you people live? I am a nursing instructor for ADNs. Every single graduate is employed, most (60%) have a job secured before graduation, and they are working in their first choice area (ED, ICU, med surg specialty or clinics.) One of the bigger hospitals does request a BSN within 3 years of hire; but no ADN in the county is unemployed.

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The job listings are a major part of the problem here in northeast PA. If one went by the job listings, one would see dozens upon dozens of jobs, problem is they are listed by shell companies that do not actually exist, or exist in another state and spam the job ads, or they are listed by sponsored employers who have no jobs, but just want to use the job ads to see how many unemployed nurses there are, to keep an endless pile of fresh resumes on hand, so they can fire at will and grab the next sucker for a dollar an hour less than the last nurse. There is one giant hospital system around here that has had a hiring freeze in place for the last 2 years, but that does not stop them from posting bogus ads, knowing they are not hiring anyone. If one went by the job ads posted, you would think there is a nursing shortage. Sadly, this is what got me and hundreds of others about 20 years ago to take the plunge and head to nursing school. Do not get me started on the bogus "sign on bonuses" that are 100% false because no one ever collects them. I can honestly say that going into nursing was the biggest career mistake I made. Would have been better off 20 years ago taking the paycut instead of the layoff, and just building myself back up from the bottom.

Sorry, but some of us ARE collecting sign-on bonuses. Lump-sum bonuses and hourly bonuses that had me at $75/hour at some jobs. Plus, recruitment fees of $1000-$2000 per nurse for referrals. Gift cards just for showing up to interviews.

It's all about location, son. I would imagine that most professions have gone downhill in Pennsylvania. I know that relocating is hard but you can't support yourself on "I wish it were better here."

BTW....cost of living is going to be higher in Scottsdale. But life is full of little choices, no?

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