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Just looking for some advice on a situation and whether to report or not or even how high to escalate it.

I work in a neuro ICU as a charge nurse and return to work one day to find that the day shift charge (L) had left early due to an emergency; apparently there was a death in the family. Another nurse took over charge and gave me report, but clearly didn't know very much about any of the patients except his own. I had questions about the final patient that the previous charge, L, had been assigned to that day. This was a fairly stable patient, hence why the patient was assigned to a charge nurse for the day, but nonetheless, this is a neuro ICU and the patient had had brain surgery, was wheezing, and retaining urine. Relief charge had no idea what was going on with the patient and all other day nurses stated they did not assume care of this patient. Relief charge then told me, "I guess the patient didn't have a nurse for the past hour."

I texted the previous charge, L, and apologized for bugging her during her family emergency but just wanted to know who she gave report to since charge report is vague without the fine details. No response. I was left with no other option than to give report on this patient to my night shift nurse based on my limited charge report for this patient.

My director showed up not long after and I explained the situation to him. He tells me, "Yeah, she's (L) not going to text you back. Under the circumstances, just have your night nurse read the patient notes." He leaves. I suddenly get a call from my clinical coordinator, my director's #2, and she tells me that she "heard" I had questions about a patient. I told her I spoke to my director already, to which she had no idea. This leaves me to conclude that L had completely disregarded my text and went straight to our bosses to let them know I was texting her.

This situation frustrates me in several ways. First off, to me, this nurse essentially abandoned her patient because she did not properly transfer care of her patient. Secondly, this patient had no nurse for an entire hour and considering her current state, a number of things could have happened and there would have been no nurse to take accountability for the patient. Patient safety was severely jeopardized here. It also put me in a position where I had to give report on a patient that I was not assigned to, did not care for, and had limited information on. Lastly, this nurse should have been a professional and responded when I texted considering she was the last known nurse for the patient, but for her to go over my head and straight to the coordinator was uncalled for. In the time it took for her to contact the coordinator, she could have replied back to me with a quick text.

I'm stuck with the decision now whether to report this or not because I truly think that it was wrong what this nurse did and that the patient's safety was jeopardized. I completely understand that emergencies happen, but proper handoff of this patient should have taken place. My reservations in reporting it though, are that for one, my administration is incredibly corrupt and they will throw anyone under the bus to get what they want, and will retaliate like they have with several of my colleagues. My admins are also very friendly with the day shift staff, as is how it usually is when night shifters are treated like the orphan children. So I know for a fact that if I reported this day nurse, that they would do everything in their power to protect her. Even my CNO and my director are very tight with each other, so that puts me in the line of fire with my entire chain of command.

What do I do? What are everyone's thoughts?

Specializes in Surgical, Home Infusions, HVU, PCU, Neuro.

Sounds like some horrible circumstances and thankfully the outcome did not follow suit. You said another nurse took over charge when L had to leave. If this is the case then wouldn't it be relief CN patient if in fact this person did assume the role of CN for however many hours until shift change? Does the CN's not have a list of who is assigned to who or realize L's name was next to Mr. Stablish Neuro at least from making assignments for the next shift? Every unit I have ever worked on EVERYONE knew if CN had to take patients, EVERYBODY. Having said that I would be more upset with the day staffing TEAM for not stepping up to help out in an emergency. By reading your perspective I feel CN relief assumed care by default for assuming the CN role, but most importantly the rest of the nurses that shift should have stepped up and helped L and CN relief to ensure patient safety if nothing else. L would be the LAST person I would be focused on.

Could you have contacted the doctor and I would have written in the chart time I took over and if there was a lapse in time you were not brought in at that time

You're definitely entitled to your opinion about me, but you don't know me. I've been in this same situation before and I still gave report and ensured my patient was stable and handed off properly, regardless of how poor my report may have been and I always answered questions after I left work because it was still my patient.

I have no compassion? I've personally covered for several people for bereavement or emergencies, even if that made me work 6 nights in a row before. When things weren't done, I always tell them, "I'll take care of it, go take care of your family." I've taken on unsafe patient assignments so that nurses can leave for emergencies.

You don't have compassion. I'm glad to have never encountered such a cold thought process.

Go a head and call the BON.

Then call the FBI and the CIA. Make sure she get's arrested!

Specializes in Psychiatry, Community, Nurse Manager, hospice.

I'm glad you've changed your mind about reporting the nurse. I think its worth it for you to explore what got you to the place that you considered that.

You have made a complaint that administration protects each other. I think that's something to think about. Why should we not protect each other? Or rather when should we protect each other and when should we not?

Sounds like some horrible circumstances and thankfully the outcome did not follow suit. You said another nurse took over charge when L had to leave. If this is the case then wouldn't it be relief CN patient if in fact this person did assume the role of CN for however many hours until shift change? Does the CN's not have a list of who is assigned to who or realize L's name was next to Mr. Stablish Neuro at least from making assignments for the next shift? Every unit I have ever worked on EVERYONE knew if CN had to take patients, EVERYBODY. Having said that I would be more upset with the day staffing TEAM for not stepping up to help out in an emergency. By reading your perspective I feel CN relief assumed care by default for assuming the CN role, but most importantly the rest of the nurses that shift should have stepped up and helped L and CN relief to ensure patient safety if nothing else. L would be the LAST person I would be focused on.

I am more upset with the bosses who let L leave but apparently did not go to the Unit to make sure everything was good. God forbid they should have lifted a finger to - gulp - help out for a while. Unless ordered by their own bosses to not help, they should have help. That's called being a Manager whose unit is in crisis.

I don't know how many pts L had. As Charge,she should not have had too many. But however many it was, they should have been divided between the rest of the nurses, not just dumped, all of them, onto 1 other nurse, which it sounds like what happened. Had the Manager gone to her Unit, she could have quickly made sure the re-distribution was fair and not overwhelming and, as stated, she could have lifted a hand to give some hands-on help and some moral support. Go to sleep now, Children. This has been your fairy tale bedtime story for tonight, LOL.

Overreacting is not even the word for this post. This is about revenge and revenge only. We have all had emergencies and have had to leave immediately. That is not abandonment. The fact you texted knowing very well this nurse was dealing with an emergency, is rather sad actually. This feels vindictive and makes me feel sorry for you that you have even considered reporting this.

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""I texted the previous charge, L, and apologized for bugging her during her family emergency but just wanted to know who she gave report to since charge report is vague without the fine details. No response. I was left with no other option than to give report on this patient to my night shift nurse based on my limited charge report for this patient.""

I have been at work when I got an emergency call that my husband was having a heart attack and I needed to get to a neighboring hospital right away. One of my co-workers called our house charge, another nurse took a quick (sobbing) report on 8 additional patients and I left the hospital.

My world was shattered when I arrived at the hospital to be met by the MD who informed me that after every effort they were not able to revive him.

The rest of my day was spent with family and trying to figure out what to do next.

If ANYONE from work had texted me to ask questions about my previous patients I would NOT have responded. I was too busy telling my children their father was dead, or telling his mother that she lost her only son!

I was so appreciative for my coworkers stepping up to help me leave quickly.

I don't know why you think this is a reportable event?

What will you benefit from getting this nurse in trouble? I can't believe you couldn't have spent a few extra minutes trying to answer your questions without texting a nurse who you knew was in the middle of a family emergency???

Even if your management is "corrupt" why would you try to use one of your coworkers emergencies to "out" them?

I don't even know what else to say regarding this situation.

I have been at work when I got an emergency call that my husband was having a heart attack and I needed to get to a neighboring hospital right away. One of my co-workers called our house charge, another nurse took a quick (sobbing) report on 8 additional patients and I left the hospital.

My world was shattered when I arrived at the hospital to be met by the MD who informed me that after every effort they were not able to revive him.

The rest of my day was spent with family and trying to figure out what to do next.

How utterly devastating.

Thank you for posting. We need to start treating each other like human beings.

Specializes in ER.

I'd do an internal incident report, but only with the intention of CYA since you were charge and it took some time to get things straightened out. I think that nurse could have easily realized her mistake and called you back, but her judgement might have been off given her situation.

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