"Don't waste your time getting your BSN..."

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People are always trying to tell me that I am going to waste my time by not stopping after getting my ASN. They say that getting your BSN just gets you management positions and that it does not pay more. I am going for my masters so I can be a CNM, so I have to have my BSN anyway but, how could it be true that a person with a BSN gets the same as a person with a ASN? (Aside from the fact that working in different dept can make a difference)

Specializes in Med/surg,Tele,PACU,ER,ICU,LTAC,HH,Neuro.

Jerico: After how many YEARS? Am glad you make more, but over a long haul I have doubts.

ASK ANY TEACHER. If you still have doubts, maybe YOU should go back to school.

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Specializes in 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER.
I definately agree with your last statement, and I would include the ADNs who claim the BSNs are just a "few more courses in management, and they have no hands on nursing skills" type of posts. Those are equally disrespectful.

Oh i totally agree.

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Specializes in ER, NICU.
Jerico: After how many YEARS? Am glad you make more, but over a long haul I have doubts.

ASK ANY TEACHER. If you still have doubts, maybe YOU should go back to school.

Does teaching at University of Northern Colorado:welcome: count?

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Specializes in Med/surg,Tele,PACU,ER,ICU,LTAC,HH,Neuro.
Please let's not be reduced to cross-talking about "this particular poster".

The BSN being the minimum standard of entry for nursing is an opinion held by many people, including the American Association of Nurses. Let's talk about the issue, and not each other please. If you have a question for a particular poster, I suggest you ask that poster directly rather than speculate.

Especially when 8 month TRAINED Medical Assistants are Concidered Professionals, certified, and registered in the eyes of the public.

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Specializes in ER, NICU.
... But you are allow to have your opinions no matter how unpopular in this forum. :)

Is my opinion "unpopular" Tweety?:idea:

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Specializes in Med-Surg.
Is my opinion "unpopular" Tweety?:idea:

From being here since 2002, I can definately say that it is.

So unpopular and heated are the discussions that administration created a separate forum (this one) to keep the discussions in one place. Previously all discussions were immediately closed and weren't allowed. I was the lucky one drafted to be moderator.

I think it's a topic worthy of discussion, but trust me when 50% of nurses are ADNs and LPNs, your position is not one that sits well with all of nursing and is an unpopular one. But as I've said, it's one you're allowed to have, and thanks to the administration, you're allowed to express here.

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Would someone tell me what ADN is?

Associate Degree Nursing

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Sorry, but that's not all there is to a BSN program. My RN to BSN program included 16 classes.

I've never med a nurse ADN, BSN or Diploma that was ready to hit the ground running. As a preceptor to students and new grads I feel confident in this statement. All come out of school beginning bedside nurses and pretty green. Although Diploma nurses with their long clinical hours might have an edge, they still are fairly green when it's actually time to work as a nurse fresh out of school.

This of course could be a regional thing. Where you are BSNs may not know anything or get any training outside of the books, but that's not the case everywhere.

It doesn't help to build up the ADNs and Diploma nurses by tearing down the training a BSN receives.

Thanks Tweety. I, as a soon to be ADN grad, worry over hearing that "we" are supposed to "hit the ground running" or show up clinically proficient as a new grad. I have enough common sense to know that I really have no clue yet. I expect to graduate with the skills and knowledge to keep my practice relatively safe under the guidance of a good orientation period and experienced nurse. BSN/ADN and probably even diploma nurses are not truly going to be competent upon graduating. Getting a BSN would require one year after my ADN program. I have to believe that the extra year would teach me something of interest and use. There is no need to put the BSN education down. On that same note, if a person graduates and passes the NCLEX as an ADN, probably they have what it takes to complete an extra year of classes and obtain a BSN, and certainly, because the proper foundation has already taken root, many nurses have educated themselves to the extent of a BSN grad or higher by virtue of continuing education, seminars, nursing texts and other forms of education. So basically, lets keep the snootiness to a minimum.

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Specializes in Med/surg,Tele,PACU,ER,ICU,LTAC,HH,Neuro.
Associate Degree Nursing

But the actual degree is

Associate Degree of Science in the Field of Nursing.

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Not all two year nursing degrees are ASNs. For one, Excelsior College offers both an Associate Science in Nursing and an Associate in Nursing degree. Just a matter of a difference in a course or two, as explained very well in an older thread. The interchangeable use of ADN is a habit. Most programs that I've seen lately, are described as ASN in the college info. Not an earthshaking situation, just as long as the graduate gets their RN license in the end.

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Specializes in Med/surg,Tele,PACU,ER,ICU,LTAC,HH,Neuro.
there is no way, and i mean no way to say "the bsn needs to be the entry level for nursings because............(fill in the blank

people even dislike the ana's version of this statement. no way no how someone isn't going to be offended.

knowing people are going to feel someone put out and demeaned. the key word being respectful. saying diploma rns shouldn't be considered nurses isn't going to win anyone over to your way of thinking. but you are allow to have your opinions no matter how unpopular in this forum. :)

i am an adn. it was local and i could afford it.

i looked down on bsns from the get go, because adns and diploma nurse's where all that where on the floors and because nursing was relatively easy in itself. this is 1981. i made 7.46/hr back then and it made my preceptor so mad and she went to administration demanding a raise....lol

it is now 2007. i don't have the same tune today. it isn't because bsns have proved themselves to be any better than diploma and adns. it is because research is showing that patient acuity is higher, adn instructors are starting to report ethical difficulties instructing the bulk core curriculum to fresh high school grads eager to better society and themselves as knowledge and research increases. even doctors are finding it difficult and have increased their lists of specialties.

there are less and less family practitioners and more and more nurse practitioners than ever per capita.

only through sound, repeated research will you really prove that bsns education is required to maintain the nurse practice act. even if you proved it, economically it would be a huge move. my guess/suggestion is making the adn program longer and longer till it is equal with the bsn.

there is that better than 1981 version of.

bsn=waste of money and time.

bsn=doesnt improve healthcare significantly.

bsn=full of bs?

the best critical thinking skills and bedside skills i obtained came from diploma nurses in their late 50's. never a bsn. they were always fresh out of school admired by management and didn't stay very long.

with time these obsticals will be gone.

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Specializes in ED, Cardiac-step down, tele, med surg.

Just out of curiosity are their any conclusive studies that indicate that a bachelors trained nurse has better skills and is a safer practitioner than an associates trained or diploma nurse? I'm guessing the answer is no. And why are some jobs like some OR and med/surg positions BSN required? If their are no additional nursing skills taught at the BSN level, then why the discrimination in these positions or one's that require BSN? Thanks for the info,

J

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