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5 minutes ago, NormaSaline said:

Not snarky (IMO) just maybe not as invested in this as you would like in putting finishing touches on something you feel passionately about. I agree with you that he has lagged a lot, and that's been costly. Maybe I'll stop there. No snark ever intended.

Apologies, it came off as snarky, but no harm no foul.

I'm not invested. I made an initial post, was asked for commentary to start a discussion, and got flack for the facts. I'm just tired of people digging their heads in a hole and playing politics instead of acknowledging the truth. And the truth is, far too many people are sick and dying unnecessarily due to lack of action.

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41 minutes ago, NurseBlaq said:

You're arguing for Trump because you are a supporter. I'm arguing against him and his actions because they were self serving and created chaos from a situation that could have had a better outcome. Y'all playing semantics and whataboutism but ignoring the truths. Stop personalizing criticism of Trump and use common decency and recognize when things are out of control. What's so hard about that? Explain why he fired entire departments that would have handled many of the issues plaguing the country today, including the coronavirus? Instead of addressing that y'all engage in distractions and rabbit holes. This is exactly why we're where we are today as a society. I don't do cliquey behavior and party lines and never have, I'm definitely not starting now. Call it what you want but speak in facts or I'm not listening. I'm tired of folks fighting about politics while everything burns down. Stop it.

https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104

I do support Trump (better than a socialist and/or someone who appears to have dementia) and also realize he is but just a human like all of us. The crazy media is not helpful at all, they spin everything that has to do with Trump negativily so it is hard to sort through their hot mess to get to the truth. Yeah, things probably could have been handled better but that goes for any other president and disaster. I am not playing any games, just calling it as I see it! I think the bigger problem we have is the fact that we are dependent on China for much of our medical supplies, not a good thing, and of course Trump has been trying to fix that, and he certainly did not cause it. Also with the shortage of medical beds possibly looming the 2 Dems running for Prez want to open borders and allow any immigrant free health care, sound like a good idea to anyone?

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Then there is the whole Worker's Comp issue.  If you aren't tested did you get it at work?

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35 minutes ago, Daisy4RN said:

https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104

I do support Trump (better than a socialist and/or someone who appears to have dementia) and also realize he is but just a human like all of us. The crazy media is not helpful at all, they spin everything that has to do with Trump negativily so it is hard to sort through their hot mess to get to the truth. Yeah, things probably could have been handled better but that goes for any other president and disaster. I am not playing any games, just calling it as I see it! I think the bigger problem we have is the fact that we are dependent on China for much of our medical supplies, not a good thing, and of course Trump has been trying to fix that, and he certainly did not cause it. Also with the shortage of medical beds possibly looming the 2 Dems running for Prez want to open borders and allow any immigrant free health care, sound like a good idea to anyone?

Trump, 15 days ago

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"We're at 15 cases and soon it'll be down to zero... or close to zero."

Today, https://www.nbc4i.com/community/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-in-ohio-Thursday-update-gov-dewine-to-provide-update-on-covid-19/

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OH Dept of Health Director Dr. Amy Acton estimates that more than 100,000 Ohioans already have coronavirus

Why all the lies? I can't stand the lies, especially when they're dangerous to our well being.

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15 minutes ago, NurseBlaq said:

Trump, 15 days ago

Today, https://www.nbc4i.com/community/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-in-ohio-Thursday-update-gov-dewine-to-provide-update-on-covid-19/

Why all the lies? I can't stand the lies, especially when they're dangerous to our well being.

15 days ago his number was accurate (per CDC). I dont know why he said it would go down, wishful thinking maybe?

I dont like all the lying either, many Dems do the very same thing as well as the media. I assume you hate their lies also, which also are dangerous

I get many people dont like Trump (I dont always either), but it is imperative that we all work together for the best outcome for our country, virus or not. People dont have to like him but they shouldnt be actively trying to stop him from doing his job, which is working for us (the people). 

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10 minutes ago, Daisy4RN said:

15 days ago his number was accurate (per CDC). I dont know why he said it would go down, wishful thinking maybe?

I dont like all the lying either, many Dems do the very same thing as well as the media. I assume you hate their lies also, which also are dangerous

I get many people dont like Trump (I dont always either), but it is imperative that we all work together for the best outcome for our country, virus or not. People dont have to like him but they shouldnt be actively trying to stop him from doing his job, which is working for us (the people). 

Again, you keep making this a political thing. I don't give a damn about politics. I don't subscribe to Dem or GOP so the dig at Dems was useless to me. You're focused on who does or does not like Trump. That's irrelevant to the topic. Will liking Trump make his actions any different? No. And there were more than 15 infected then, that was another lie. Same as the lie he told last night about insurance companies waving copays and costs. They said that's not exactly what they said. Lastly, there is no working together if lies are continuously being told and he's undermining the process. He's not doing his job hence why the virus is spreading and there's no plan of action in place. He's not working for us, he's focused on himself and being reelected, that is the problem!

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17 hours ago, Daisy4RN said:

https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104

I do support Trump (better than a socialist and/or someone who appears to have dementia) and also realize he is but just a human like all of us. The crazy media is not helpful at all, they spin everything that has to do with Trump negativily so it is hard to sort through their hot mess to get to the truth. Yeah, things probably could have been handled better but that goes for any other president and disaster. I am not playing any games, just calling it as I see it! I think the bigger problem we have is the fact that we are dependent on China for much of our medical supplies, not a good thing, and of course Trump has been trying to fix that, and he certainly did not cause it. Also with the shortage of medical beds possibly looming the 2 Dems running for Prez want to open borders and allow any immigrant free health care, sound like a good idea to anyone?

Uh-oh.  You better cite the above.  I don't remember anyone still in the race specifically saying that.  That was never on the Democratic platform.

Trump has tied the CDC's hands in terms of delaying the production of corona virus testing.  There is a piece on The Atlantic online in MSN news that I can't paste here but it will outline for you EXACTLY what this WH did to make sure that tests were not develeoped at the end of February.  That's because the WH doesn't have anykind of friendly relationship with the CDC.  Trump is punishing them for trying to attempting to do something so radical as keeping statistics  on M and M's from gun violence.  Poor Anthony Fauci has to spend his valuable time deconstructing Trumps bad advice and outright lies.  Why would anyone attempt to defund the CDC at a time when pandemic diseases are going to be on the uprise?  WHO does THAT? 

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On 3/10/2020 at 1:52 PM, JKL33 said:

Hi, @KalipsoRed21, not to argue with you, but those are not the facts of the matter as we know them, and the nuance is important: It sounds as though she has some possibly viral symptoms and as we know these could be a result of COVID-19 or some other mechanism. Influenza, common cold viruses, etc.

We also have zero knowledge that her exposure (to whatever viral illness) occurred at work or that they occurred despite proper PPE use. That is to say, she could have perfectly followed the protocols and used the PPE and could have a common cold which she was exposed to through other means.

That is not at all the nature of what they said, even according to her own paraphrase. They tried to convey that if she were wearing proper PPE then her risk of exposure is low. The past tense nature of the comment comes into play not because this is an accusation but because it is simply something that already occurred. Say I'm having a problem with my car, and I've told the mechanic that I follow all recommendations for oil changes. The mechanic might then say to me, "If you get your oil changed, it wouldn't be [X problem] ." He doesn't mean "if you had been getting oil changes this wouldn't be happening" but rather "since you follow recommended maintenance, I doubt this problem is related to [something way more likely to happen without regular oil/maintenance]."

A better and more clear way for them to state it (which, it's possible they did and we don't know that) would have been: Since you were using proper PPE and following proper protocols, your risk of having been exposed through this patient, is very low.

Saying "if you were wearing PPE" is not the same as saying "if you had been." The former is a reassurance, the latter is an accusation. They were not attempting to accuse her; in fact, their rationale for not testing her upon her demand involves their belief that she was indeed properly protected by PPE.

I agree, I don't think the explanation she got was accusing her of it being her fault if she had contracted COVD-19, it was saying, appropriately, that testing at the time was severely limited, and the first priority was to test those with higher risk exposures than someone who interacted with a known patient but while wearing appropriate PPE.  Instead, testing was prioritized to hospitalized patients, so people like her could be aware that they had it and protect themselves.  

I think nurses could play an important public role in this, but it stories like this that make me re-think that.  

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23 hours ago, subee said:

Uh-oh.  You better cite the above.  I don't remember anyone still in the race specifically saying that.  That was never on the Democratic platform.

Trump has tied the CDC's hands in terms of delaying the production of corona virus testing.  There is a piece on The Atlantic online in MSN news that I can't paste here but it will outline for you EXACTLY what this WH did to make sure that tests were not develeoped at the end of February.  That's because the WH doesn't have anykind of friendly relationship with the CDC.  Trump is punishing them for trying to attempting to do something so radical as keeping statistics  on M and M's from gun violence.  Poor Anthony Fauci has to spend his valuable time deconstructing Trumps bad advice and outright lies.  Why would anyone attempt to defund the CDC at a time when pandemic diseases are going to be on the uprise?  WHO does THAT? 

I am guessing that you didn't watch the Dem debate! 

There are many different stories going around re: the CDC funding. From I understand, Trump put out a proposed budget that cut funding in many different agencies the CDC being one of them (the proposal was drawn up prior to the outbreak). Depending on where the money was actually going within the CDC this could (still) be seen as good or bad. Either way, a proposal is just the starting point of negotiations, not the end point. 

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5 hours ago, Daisy4RN said:

I am guessing that you didn't watch the Dem debate! 

There are many different stories going around re: the CDC funding. From I understand, Trump put out a proposed budget that cut funding in many different agencies the CDC being one of them (the proposal was drawn up prior to the outbreak). Depending on where the money was actually going within the CDC this could (still) be seen as good or bad. Either way, a proposal is just the starting point of negotiations, not the end point. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/nsc-pandemic-office-trump-closed/2020/03/13/a70de09c-6491-11ea-acca-80c22bbee96f_story.html

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6 hours ago, Daisy4RN said:

I am guessing that you didn't watch the Dem debate! 

There are many different stories going around re: the CDC funding. From I understand, Trump put out a proposed budget that cut funding in many different agencies the CDC being one of them (the proposal was drawn up prior to the outbreak). Depending on where the money was actually going within the CDC this could (still) be seen as good or bad. Either way, a proposal is just the starting point of negotiations, not the end point. 

Trump did actually shut down the CDC's Pandemic Response department, you're thinking of the CDC's global health initiative for preventing pandemics.

The Pandemic Response unit is what is responsible for identifying emerging pandemics and initiating the development of testing capabilities.  So in retrospect...

You might clarify where in the debates someone said they want open borders.  While that's something libertarians sometimes support, it's not something the democratic candidates have proposed.  Hospitals are legally required to provide necessary care regardless of citizenship status, but that's  thanks to that open-border socialist Ronald Reagan.

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47 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

Trump did actually shut down the CDC's Pandemic Response department, you're thinking of the CDC's global health initiative for preventing pandemics.

The Pandemic Response unit is what is responsible for identifying emerging pandemics and initiating the development of testing capabilities.  So in retrospect...

You might clarify where in the debates someone said they want open borders.  While that's something libertarians sometimes support, it's not something the democratic candidates have proposed.  Hospitals are legally required to provide necessary care regardless of citizenship status, but that's  thanks to that open-border socialist Ronald Reagan.

I believe the unit that was shut down was a unit that was set up by the Obama admin to work the Ebola issue. Even though the unit was shut some of the people were just moved under a different title/umbrella but still did the same job (pandemic related work). John Bolton did this (under Trump). There was an article in AP about this. 

Both Biden and Sanders have stated they want all people including illegals on their healthcare plans/Medicare for all (in the debate), not just the care they currently receive. They also have very loose border control and deportation ideas/plans which they openly admit, so not open borders per se but pretty much boils down to that IMO. 

I understand hospitals must give emergency care regardless of citizenship and I have zero objection to that! Although I dont agree that Reagan was a socialist. (Maybe that was sarcasm, IDK ?!)

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