Okay, I fully expect to be slammed for this. What do all these posts about gaming the system to get early results say about the character of some of the new grads/nurse candidates? One of the prime requisites of being a nurse is good judgement. Boasting about or encouraging fraudulent behavior by using inaccurate or inadequate credit card information to get test results hours or days quicker does not speak well of one's judgement and maturity. Is this what we accept from our colleagues?
It may be harsh but I think this is a matter of integrity. I understand impatience very well, I understand wanting to know if all the work of school paid off, what I don't understand is how easily one can ignore the lessons of integrity and professionalism.
If one can lie to a faceless testing company how one respond when faced with a potential life threatening situation that requires, patience, integrity, and maturity. It's a slippery slope, a little harmless deception here may reveal character issues that come to light when real harm may be caused.
So, slam me, flame me, whatever, or I hope some will agree with me.
How is using a gift card for the PVT indicative of lacking basic integrity?
Should everyone that used a gift card for the PVT lose their license?
It is a matter of intent. If one is putting in information out there that is inaccurate or on cards that they know have no funds in order to satisfy an instant gratification, that is far different than using your $250 gift card or your cc that has funds available with the intent of re-registering "just in case" one doesn't pass.
Only, per TOS of PV, apparently regardless you would lose the money, as they do not refund. So instead you put in wrong information, or on a card with no funds so that you perhaps could know, but not really for sure and not be out any money.
What would be interesting is that IF PV actually keeps one's correct card on file, and if one pays the 8 bucks for early results, they also get charged the $200 that they must have "accidently" entered the incorrect card information on. Only if they did that, people would be up in arms about PV scamming people, instead of the other way around.
How this could tie in with future practice is that in fact, nursing is not usually an instant gratification type of career. And attempting to scam the system in search of an instant gratification result usually doesn't end well for a nurse, nor a patient.
Ok, I'm the OP and let me clarify my post with an example: you place a wager with a bookie, it's a proposition bet with two possible out comes. The bookie does not have any affect on the outcome only participants do. Now there are several bets that can be placed, $0 standard outcome time, and a $8 quick out come, but these don't really come into play.
The only real wager is $200 that one gets early results on whether one has passed/failed the test. A gambler places a $200 wager risking the full amount and has two possible outcomes 1) he/she wins and has an early answer on their NECLEX results which is a failing grade and gets a "free replay" retest; or 2) he/she loses by getting an early answer on a passing grade but is out the original $200 bet.
This is all fine and good you plays your money, you takes your chances. Now here is the problem, you make the wager with no intention pay off the bet win or lose. Remember the bookie is not interested in your particular win or loss, there going to make money on the vig (in this case registration) but if you renege on your wager the bookie losses the vig and you have essentially stolen his livelihood. Your argument that the bookie didn't provide a service doesn't matter to them, all the know is someone used fraudulent info to try win or in this case actually lose.
Vinnie, and Bentnose Vito, gonna come collect, they don't care. The test isn't the product, access to and administration is the product.
Please this is an exaggeration, completely made up and hyperbole; don't take it literally. No one is going to break kneecaps. My point is PV administers the test, the test itself doesn't belong to them, the product they sell is the facility, control, and proctoring. If that is "gamed" that is the loss that completes the harm to become fraud. Also NCLEX is not the only test they administer, it is a service business, they need to maintain trust with there customers and that ain't us. The companies they conduct the tests for are PV's real customers and they will be taken care of over test takers.
Ok, I'm the OP and let me clarify my post with an example: you place a wager with a bookie, it's a proposition bet with two possible out comes. The bookie does not have any affect on the outcome only participants do. Now there are several bets that can be placed, $0 standard outcome time, and a $8 quick out come, but these don't really come into play.
The only real wager is $200 that one gets early results on whether one has passed/failed the test. A gambler places a $200 wager risking the full amount and has two possible outcomes 1) he/she wins and has an early answer on their NECLEX results which is a failing grade and gets a "free replay" retest; or 2) he/she loses by getting an early answer on a passing grade but is out the original $200 bet.
This is all fine and good you plays your money, you takes your chances. Now here is the problem, you make the wager with no intention pay off the bet win or lose. Remember the bookie is not interested in your particular win or loss, there going to make money on the vig (in this case registration) but if you renege on your wager the bookie losses the vig and you have essentially stolen his livelihood. Your argument that the bookie didn't provide a service doesn't matter to them, all the know is someone used fraudulent info to try win or in this case actually lose.
Vinnie, and Bentnose Vito, gonna come collect, they don't care. The test isn't the product, access to and administration is the product.
Please this is an exaggeration, completely made up and hyperbole; don't take it literally. No one is going to break kneecaps. My point is PV administers the test, the test itself doesn't belong to them, the product they sell is the facility, control, and proctoring. If that is "gamed" that is the loss that completes the harm to become fraud. Also NCLEX is not the only test they administer, it is a service business, they need to maintain trust with there customers and that ain't us. The companies they conduct the tests for are PV's real customers and they will be taken care of over test takers.
Because bookies are 100% legit, right? J/K
I think the bigger point is that people out there ARE risking losing the $200. PV explicitly states that you are not supposed to knowingly re-register for another exam until you have the results from your current exam. Everyone doing PVT is knowingly violating the TOS for PV. All in the name of "I've gotta know, it's killing me!". What happened to having patience?
I waited 48 hours to get my Quick Results. Guess what? I lived. It didn't kill me to wait. Was I anxious & nervous for those 48 hours? You betcha!!! But there was no way I was going to do PVT. It's not reliable, and it provides no "relief" whatsoever. How could anyone "feel better" getting "results" that may or may not be accurate? I had 2 classmates who did PVT the same day they took the exam. One got the "good" pop-up, the other one got the "bad". They BOTH failed the exam. The one with the "good" pop-up was devastated because she had been led to believe that she had passed by getting the "good" pop-up. The one who got the "bad" pop-up wished she would have never done it.
How does instant gratification effect a nurses care of their patient?
The way it's being explained isn't using a credit card the most immoral thing ever? You use a credit card when you know you don't have funds for a purchase on hand.
"You're paying for the test using money that you don't have." That's the kind of logic being used here.
PearsonVue is the company that provides registration and administration of the test, if you don't get a chance to take the test isn't Pearson commiting fraud by refusing a refund for services not completed.
Sorry, I don't understand the analogy between making a bet and trying the PVT with a low fund gift card.
How does instant gratification effect a nurses care of their patient?
The way it's being explained isn't using a credit card the most immoral thing ever? You use a credit card when you know you don't have funds for a purchase on hand.
"You're paying for the test using money that you don't have." That's the kind of logic being used here.
PearsonVue is the company that provides registration and administration of the test, if you don't get a chance to take the test isn't Pearson commiting fraud by refusing a refund for services not completed.
Sorry, I don't understand the analogy between making a bet and trying the PVT with a low fund gift card.
Tridoral:
because if you are knowingly entering information that is inaccurate or that funds are not there. People are consciously doing this knowing that money, funds are not there.
If people are so quick to enter in fraudulent information, what will happen if it is a bigger issue in the world of nursing... i.e not correctly filling out incident reports, maybe omitting something or not admitting to something. If people want the quick and easy way to trick the PV, what would be next?
There are a lot of perfect people in the world, who never do anything that's wrong the the slightest. It's amazing, I didn't know we should be that precise with our time.
Well, technically if you chart that you DID it at 0403 but you did it at 0355 then yes it would be fraudulent.
Exactly. That is what makes nursing sometimes so difficult. Going off-topic, in some cases, having charted things at the time can be helpful in determining what is wrong. It isn't about being perfect. mistakes happen and you have to own up to them.
There are a lot of perfect people in the world, who never do anything that's wrong the the slightest. It's amazing, I didn't know we should be that precise with our time.
Hey now, you asked a question. I answered it honestly. No need to get snotty.
When you're charting do you usually chart after finishing everything in a patient's room, or do you chart after a set number of actions? For example, if I had dressing changes and meds in a patient's room, would I chart after doing both?
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It is a matter of intent. If one is putting in information out there that is inaccurate or on cards that they know have no funds in order to satisfy an instant gratification, that is far different than using your $250 gift card or your cc that has funds available with the intent of re-registering "just in case" one doesn't pass.
Only, per TOS of PV, apparently regardless you would lose the money, as they do not refund. So instead you put in wrong information, or on a card with no funds so that you perhaps could know, but not really for sure and not be out any money.
What would be interesting is that IF PV actually keeps one's correct card on file, and if one pays the 8 bucks for early results, they also get charged the $200 that they must have "accidently" entered the incorrect card information on. Only if they did that, people would be up in arms about PV scamming people, instead of the other way around.
How this could tie in with future practice is that in fact, nursing is not usually an instant gratification type of career. And attempting to scam the system in search of an instant gratification result usually doesn't end well for a nurse, nor a patient.