Okay, I fully expect to be slammed for this. What do all these posts about gaming the system to get early results say about the character of some of the new grads/nurse candidates? One of the prime requisites of being a nurse is good judgement. Boasting about or encouraging fraudulent behavior by using inaccurate or inadequate credit card information to get test results hours or days quicker does not speak well of one's judgement and maturity. Is this what we accept from our colleagues?
It may be harsh but I think this is a matter of integrity. I understand impatience very well, I understand wanting to know if all the work of school paid off, what I don't understand is how easily one can ignore the lessons of integrity and professionalism.
If one can lie to a faceless testing company how one respond when faced with a potential life threatening situation that requires, patience, integrity, and maturity. It's a slippery slope, a little harmless deception here may reveal character issues that come to light when real harm may be caused.
So, slam me, flame me, whatever, or I hope some will agree with me.
According to an online source (the free dictionary, maybe?)
Fraud must be proved by showing that the defendant's actions involved five separate elements: (1) a false statement of a material fact,(2) knowledge on the part of the defendant that the statement is untrue, (3) intent on the part of the defendant to deceive the alleged victim, (4) justifiable reliance by the alleged victim on the statement, and (5) injury to the alleged victim as a result.
In the case of using a gift card and getting "the good pop up" you are at least missing the 5th criterion for fraud.
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I don't think doing the pvt has any bearing on a person's ability to provide safe and compassionate care to one's patients. That's a stretch. If doing pvt is demonstrative of poor judgement, where is the line drawn? Nurses are not saints.
Nurses aren't saints, but we aren't talking about sainthood. We're talking about basic integrity. Either you have it or you don't. And I don't really want to work with (or be cared for by) nurses who lack basic integrity. Think about it.
Nurses aren't saints, but we aren't talking about sainthood. We're talking about basic integrity. Either you have it or you don't. And I don't really want to work with (or be cared for by) nurses who lack basic integrity. Think about it.
Think abut it? Okay; I would be just fine if the nurse taking care of me or my loved ones did the new pvt with a $5 gift card and got "the good pop up" if he/she was providing safe and compassionate care. I would not discredit their character or integrity for doing that because that is absolutely ridiculous.
If we let nurses with DUIs, bad credit, owed back child support, unpaid parking tickets continue to practice, I think someone who does the new pvt is really not the person I'm worried about caring for me or my family.
If you're asserting that pvt participants who use a $5 gift card are in the same category as dishonest, integrity-lacking people who skip out on their taxes, children, student loans, credit card debt, what-have-you, well, I have to 100% disagree with you.
I took my nclex August 31, 2015. While my friend told me about this trick, I did try it but didn't have enough funds anyway. So I am patiently/anxiously waiting to get good news. I was a little nervous going in to take it, but I think I'm more nervous waiting to see how I did lol
Okay... so people are totally cool with the PVT as long as you open yourself to the risk of spending $200? I see two scenarios:
1. You do the PVT, use a real CC#, and risk $200. This is kosher.
2. You do the PVT, use a fake/expired CC#, and risk nothing. This is moral bankruptcy.
In the event of the "good popup," the result to Pearson Vue is exactly the same in both scenarios. They waste a little electricity and get no money. So, the problem has to be with the "bad popup," which costs you $200 if you use a real CC# and nothing if you don't. How does "being willing to risk $200" equate to integrity? What moral principle is being violated by reducing your exposure to risk without increasing the risk to anyone else?
I mean, some people seemed upset by "gaming the system," but the system being gamed is "waiting for results" (right?), and both scenarios above are gaming it (getting results before the BON releases them). It seemed that for many people "gaming the system" isn't the problem - they seemed fine with someone doing the PVT who was willing to spend the money. So... why does increasing your financial risk make you more moral? I'm really curious about this, because it seems like a total non-issue to me, but I have utilitarian leanings. Some people seem really down on people who made what seems, to me, to be a smart decision to mitigate risk.
Okay... so people are totally cool with the PVT as long as you open yourself to the risk of spending $200? I see two scenarios:
1. You do the PVT, use a real CC#, and risk $200. This is kosher.
2. You do the PVT, use a fake/expired CC#, and risk nothing. This is moral bankruptcy.
In the event of the "good popup," the result to Pearson Vue is exactly the same in both scenarios. They waste a little electricity and get no money. So, the problem has to be with the "bad popup," which costs you $200 if you use a real CC# and nothing if you don't. How does "being willing to risk $200" equate to integrity? What moral principle is being violated by reducing your exposure to risk without increasing the risk to anyone else?
I mean, some people seemed upset by "gaming the system," but the system being gamed is "waiting for results" (right?), and both scenarios above are gaming it (getting results before the BON releases them). It seemed that for many people "gaming the system" isn't the problem - they seemed fine with someone doing the PVT who was willing to spend the money. So... why does increasing your financial risk make you more moral? I'm really curious about this, because it seems like a total non-issue to me, but I have utilitarian leanings. Some people seem really down on people who made what seems, to me, to be a smart decision to mitigate risk.
My problem is when someone intentionally goes through with the trick, knowing if they get charged, they'll "just" contest the charges. Dishonesty. No way someone would tell the truth to their credit card and actually get the money back.
ixchel
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Your character is entirely intact. You knew and accepted your risks and weren't dishonest.
Before credit card info was required, I did the PVT. There was no monetary risk. I would NOT do it now because I'm poor. lol