President Biden thread

subee, MSN, CRNA · May 21

Beerman said:

My post you replied to had nothing to do with DJT or any other "bloviating idiots". So, you can see why I missed the point you tried to make.

I don't know that we're polar opposites. I know that you hate Trump. Other than that, you haven't provided much insight into what you think and why. As such, I don't hate your opinions. I am indifferent to them.

Yes, prostate cancer is devastating. That is obvious. And, it may be a new and advanced diagnosis in this case. But based on its advanced stage and that Biden's cognitive condition has been covered up, its not unreasonable to question when he was he diagnosed and what kind of treatment has he been undergoing.

You don't believe there is a cover-up. Fine. Share with us how you came to that conclusion.

And you still believe that Trump is sane?

subee, MSN, CRNA · May 21

Beerman said:

You missed the point.

Earlier, folks here were correctly assuming that since its the President of the United States who received a clean bill.of health a year ago now has this diagnosis, that it must be in its early stages.

Now that we know its not, those same folks are saying, that instead of a cover-up of his condition that this must be a rare form of the disease that rapidly progressed.

And those same folks would be correct. About 1 in 5 prostate cancers are described as aggressive. My personal experience with a friend is that the first post op PSA was still high. He signed up for investigational radiotherapy and chemo but died less than a year after his surgery. He was the first person to feel palpable tumors in his abdomen after the aggressive radiation he had to get in Boston because they didn't have a proton beam machine in NYC. I read a paper after he died from a radiation oncologist opining that these rare abdominal tumors are caused by the radiation. There's no conspiracy theories here.

akulahawkRN said:

I will say only this: for someone as public as POTUS, I believe a PUBLIC "clean bill of health" about as far as I can throw it. It would not surprise me in the least if it later becomes known that Joe Biden was known to have prostate CA for quite some time. He probably would have had some prostate problems r/t urination for a while and CA is something they'd look for. POTUS is a position that comes with significant health surveillance. Publicly, it is NOT in the best interest of any sitting POTUS to disclose health challenges, especially during an election cycle. I'm not saying that Joe hasn't suddenly developed a very aggressive type of CA, he very well could have. It's also entirely possible this CA news is but a ruse to deflect attention away from political problems. Either way, I really don't care. His health is what it is, and he's not POTUS, so publicly saying he has CA isn't going to have an effect upon world events beyond sympathy and empathy he receives.

I am certainly not a fan of Joe Biden, but I do wish the best for him and hope he manages to beat this. As a former POTUS, he has access to world class medical care and he should be treated as aggressively as he chooses to be. I also hope this brings attention to prostate CA. I hardly ever hear about it unless someone "famous" gets it.

Wrong. See my post to Beerman.

Beerman, BSN · May 21

NutmeggeRN said:

Yeah I'm digging my heels in on this...its an opinion and I am entitled to mine.

subee said:

And those same folks would be correct. About 1 in 5 prostate cancers are described as aggressive. My personal experience with a friend is that the first post op PSA was still high. He signed up for investigational radiotherapy and chemo but died less than a year after his surgery. He was the first person to feel palpable tumors in his abdomen after the aggressive radiation he had to get in Boston because they didn't have a proton beam machine in NYC. I read a paper after he died from a radiation oncologist opining that these rare abdominal tumors are caused by the radiation. There's no conspiracy theories here.

Yet another expert who indicates its more likely than not that he was diagnosed awhile ago.

"Emanuel explained that guidelines recommend against prostate cancer screening for men 70 and older, and no public records suggest Biden was taking regular prostate-specific antigen (PSA) blood tests.

Even so, Emanuel said the option of a test would have been discussed with Biden.

"It is a little surprising to many of us oncologists that he wasn't diagnosed earlier,” the doctor said."

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/biden-ezekiel-emanuel-cancer_n_682b6735e4b0f527e57a86bd

Beerman, BSN · May 21

Beerman said:

Yet another expert who indicates its more likely than not that he was diagnosed awhile ago.

"Emanuel explained that guidelines recommend against prostate cancer screening for men 70 and older, and no public records suggest Biden was taking regular prostate-specific antigen (PSA) blood tests.

Even so, Emanuel said the option of a test would have been discussed with Biden.

"It is a little surprising to many of us oncologists that he wasn't diagnosed earlier,” the doctor said."

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/biden-ezekiel-emanuel-cancer_n_682b6735e4b0f527e57a86bd

I little more to add to that:

"But someone of his stature likely would have received regular prostate-specific antigen tests, a blood test used to track prostate cancer risk, said Dr. Lee Richstone, the chair of urology at Northwell Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.

"I would be very surprised if his PSA was not followed regularly, even at his age," Richstone said."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2025/05/20/why-bidens-cancer-wasnt-caught-earlier-psa/83722037007/

heron, ASN, RN · May 22

Beerman said:

Yet another expert who indicates its more likely than not that he was diagnosed awhile ago.

"Emanuel explained that guidelines recommend against prostate cancer screening for men 70 and older, and no public records suggest Biden was taking regular prostate-specific antigen (PSA) blood tests.

Even so, Emanuel said the option of a test would have been discussed with Biden.

"It is a little surprising to many of us oncologists that he wasn't diagnosed earlier,” the doctor said."

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/biden-ezekiel-emanuel-cancer_n_682b6735e4b0f527e57a86bd

Trump is not the only one to deal with scary possibilities by refusing to ask the questions.

There's more than one expert who believes that it's likely that trump is mentally impaired. Does that make it so?

Personally, I don't need an expert's permission to think about my lived experience and apply it to political claims.

This whole discussion is purely speculative. Not even your experts are prepared say defnitively that Biden knew about his cancer before leaving office. They know better.

Ado Annie, ASN, RN · May 22

Beerman said:

I little more to add to that:

"But someone of his stature likely would have received regular prostate-specific antigen tests..."

My dad had normal PSA levels when he was diagnosed at age 70 (a biopsy done because a urologist "felt something" on exam). He eventually had surgery and lived another 22 years. But my PCP at the time said most physicians wouldn't even treat prostate cancer in a 70-yr-old.

toomuchbaloney · May 22

If Biden had a secret cancer and dementia that he was hiding, would that explain his very successful presidency?

Beerman, BSN · May 22

heron said:

Trump is not the only one to deal with scary possibilities by refusing to ask the questions.

There's more than one expert who believes that it's likely that trump is mentally impaired. Does that make it so?

Personally, I don't need an expert's permission to think about my lived experience and apply it to political claims.

This whole discussion is purely speculative. Not even your experts are prepared say defnitively that Biden knew about his cancer before leaving office. They know better.

Let's see....we know there was a coverup of Biden's incapacitated state while he was POTUS. We know this cancer was with him for years. If you were a betting person, is this diagnosis really new, or not. How would you place your bet?

Beerman, BSN · May 22

Ado Annie said:

My dad had normal PSA levels when he was diagnosed at age 70 (a biopsy done because a urologist "felt something" on exam). He eventually had surgery and lived another 22 years. But my PCP at the time said most physicians wouldn't even treat prostate cancer in a 70-yr-old.

I'm glad your dad was able to have another 22 years of life.

I'm not sure what your point is at it relates to this story.

allnurses Guide · May 22

heron said:

Trump is not the only one to deal with scary possibilities by refusing to ask the questions.

There's more than one expert who believes that it's likely that trump is mentally impaired. Does that make it so?

Personally, I don't need an expert's permission to think about my lived experience and apply it to political claims.

This whole discussion is purely speculative. Not even your experts are prepared say defnitively that Biden knew about his cancer before leaving office. They know better.

I'm having trouble following this story. All of this fuss about trying to nail down the exact day, month or year his cancer started.

Is it based on the premise that Biden knew of his cancer diagnosis years ago, but decided not to tell anyone, let it spread to his bones, without seeking treatment (cancer cover-up!) in order to add credence to dementia cover-up claims made in a fairy smut book written several years in the future?

heron, ASN, RN · May 22

Not my premise, but pretty much, yeah.

It's the theory being flogged by every right-wing venue I've seen so far. My opinion is it ain't necessarily so.

Beerman, BSN · May 22

nursel56 said:

I'm having trouble following this story. All of this fuss about trying to nail down the exact day, month or year his cancer started.

Is it based on the premise that Biden knew of his cancer diagnosis years ago, but decided not to tell anyone, let it spread to his bones, without seeking treatment (cancer cover-up!) in order to add credence to dementia cover-up claims made in a fairy smut book written several years in the future?

I haven't heard anyone claim he didn't seek treatment.

"Fairy smut book"? What does that even mean?

I going to go out on a limb and say you don't believe any of it. Why do you believe that book lacks credibility?