President Biden thread

Beerman said:

None of that was my statement.  It was CBS News reporting on their poll.

The public tired of the Trump is threat to democracy,  racist, misogynist, etc rhetoric and that is partly resulted in his election.  The Democrats and Trump-haters seemingly haven't learned their lesson.  The rhetoric continues, and his poll numbers improve.  

That's what I take from this poll.  But, perhaps it's meaningless.

VP Vance would succeed Trump if he was unable to finish his term.  That is per the Constitution. 

@mtmkjr, remember my point about it's not just conservatives who don't have a good understanding of how our government and constitution work?  

Subee was referring to Trump's answer to the question as to whether JD Vance would succeed him in 2028 and he quickly said "no", and then went on to say that he is very capable, but there are a lot of very capable people, it's too early to tell. 

So it wasn't a constitutional misunderstanding.

That goes to my point about the media - you won't find alternative media reporting on that.

Not will you read/hear concerned about the looming Constitutional crisis:

Analysis: As Trump team overhauls government, a constitutional crisis looms

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/10/politics/constitutional-crisis-trump-overhaul-analysis-biskupic

And I don't hate Trump. I love our country and the strength of the Constitution.  I see signs that the guardrails everyone hailed in Trump's first term are about to come down, and half the country won't know what happened until it's too late.

mtmkjr said:

Subee was referring to Trump's answer to the question as to whether JD Vance would succeed him in 2028 and he quickly said "no", and then went on to say that he is very capable, but there are a lot of very capable people, it's too early to tell. 

So it wasn't a constitutional misunderstanding.

That goes to my point about the media - you won't find alternative media reporting on that.

Not will you read/hear concerned about the looming Constitutional crisis:

Analysis: As Trump team overhauls government, a constitutional crisis looms

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/10/politics/constitutional-crisis-trump-overhaul-analysis-biskupic

And I don't hate Trump. I love our country and the strength of the Constitution.  I see signs that the guardrails everyone hailed in Trump's first term are about to come down, and half the country won't know what happened until it's too late.

 

I hate what Trump represents. I hate his disregard for the constitution.  I hate his misogyny and racism.  The more he damages the country, the more I hate him.  I also only hate Trump because I love my country.  I didn't have any "feelings" about the philandering liar and cheat when he was just stealing from charities, scamming people in a fake university or bankrupting casinos. To each his own. 

There are lots of naive Americans who can't correctly identify what is going on now and so they cannot possibly imagine what comes next.  

Well we did it.  We took a simple report about Biden's exit poll and made it about Trump.

It was after the assignation attempts that Republicans went on the defensive about Dem rhetoric.  Prior to that they knew they were doing the same thing.  In the end it was an effective tactic for them with Fox News being hyper focused on reporting it,  because their man had two assignation attempts.  Hard to beat that tactic.  Republicans became hyper focused on the Nazi and Hitler references. Fair enough.

Still at the end of the day portraying Trump as he is isn't a lesson they need to unlearn because we are seeing it unfold in front of us.  Some Democrats are criticizing their own party for not standing up to Trump hard enough.  Others are saying that with so many things happening they do need to pick and choose.  

Yes, the hard rhetoric about authoritarianism and Hitler are a bit much, but like I said the Nazi Salute Musk gave and the dismantling of government agencies without proper procedure, billionaires making decisions that affect the poor and the regular consumer,  and his making things up he gives Democrats much to start rhetoric about.

It doesn't matter to me that he won the popular vote and the election or that he has a nigh approval rating or is accomplishing things like deportations.  He still needs to be called out.  Just because I have a minority opinion from the majority of Americans that like him and approve of him doesn't change how I feel. 

I think Democrats need to calm down the harsh rhetoric and be more authentic,  but for the most part it's not necessarily the establishment but more social media influencers and the media.  

Tweety said:

Well we did it.  We took a simple report about Biden's exit poll and made it about Trump.

It was after the assignation attempts that Republicans went on the defensive about Dem rhetoric.  Prior to that they knew they were doing the same thing.  In the end it was an effective tactic for them with Fox News being hyper focused on reporting it,  because their man had two assignation attempts.  Hard to beat that tactic.  Republicans became hyper focused on the Nazi and Hitler references. Fair enough.

Still at the end of the day portraying Trump as he is isn't a lesson they need to unlearn because we are seeing it unfold in front of us.  Some Democrats are criticizing their own party for not standing up to Trump hard enough.  Others are saying that with so many things happening they do need to pick and choose.  

Yes, the hard rhetoric about authoritarianism and Hitler are a bit much, but like I said the Nazi Salute Musk gave and the dismantling of government agencies without proper procedure, billionaires making decisions that affect the poor and the regular consumer,  and his making things up he gives Democrats much to start rhetoric about.

It doesn't matter to me that he won the popular vote and the election or that he has a nigh approval rating or is accomplishing things like deportations.  He still needs to be called out.  Just because I have a minority opinion from the majority of Americans that like him and approve of him doesn't change how I feel. 

I think Democrats need to calm down the harsh rhetoric and be more authentic,  but for the most part it's not necessarily the establishment but more social media influencers and the media.  

As you will recall, it was a republican who made the most public proclamation of Trump's fascist tendencies.  Retired General Kelly laid out the criteria pretty succinctly. 

Tweety said:

Well we did it.  We took a simple report about Biden's exit poll and made it about Trump.

It was after the assignation attempts that Republicans went on the defensive about Dem rhetoric.  Prior to that they knew they were doing the same thing.  In the end it was an effective tactic for them with Fox News being hyper focused on reporting it,  because their man had two assignation attempts.  Hard to beat that tactic.  Republicans became hyper focused on the Nazi and Hitler references. Fair enough.

Still at the end of the day portraying Trump as he is isn't a lesson they need to unlearn because we are seeing it unfold in front of us.  Some Democrats are criticizing their own party for not standing up to Trump hard enough.  Others are saying that with so many things happening they do need to pick and choose.  

Yes, the hard rhetoric about authoritarianism and Hitler are a bit much, but like I said the Nazi Salute Musk gave and the dismantling of government agencies without proper procedure, billionaires making decisions that affect the poor and the regular consumer,  and his making things up he gives Democrats much to start rhetoric about.

It doesn't matter to me that he won the popular vote and the election or that he has a nigh approval rating or is accomplishing things like deportations.  He still needs to be called out.  Just because I have a minority opinion from the majority of Americans that like him and approve of him doesn't change how I feel. 

I think Democrats need to calm down the harsh rhetoric and be more authentic,  but for the most part it's not necessarily the establishment but more social media influencers and the media.  

It's difficult to separate the indefensible from the defensible since the bullet points are coming so quickly we don't have enough time to think about one idea before he changes is mind or throws out another brash concept.  IMHO, it's not wise .  However, I think Trump might be onto something about the Gazans moving on .  It's just a germ of an idea right now and wouldn't unfold completely in my lifetime but it's intriguing.  Vance, BTW, made it perfectly clear in a speech in Germany that he supports the far right nazi sympathies of the group to whom he was speaking.  Right now, Vance has become the small child playing with his own brain on the floor.  If Trump wants to dump him I'm not sure he could not  find a worst replacement.

toomuchbaloney said:

As you will recall, it was a republican who made the most public proclamation of Trump's fascist tendencies.  Retired General Kelly laid out the criteria pretty succinctly. 

Yes and his VP called him a threat as well.  

Beerman and Crusades said this is one of the reasons people were turned off to Harris, and perhaps in some small way it did (with the exception of people like Crusades who claim to be moderate but now are right wing because of it), but in my opinion most  people seemed unfazed and ignored it all.  Like I said you really didn't hear them getting bothered until they blamed Biden for the assassination attempts.  In my opinion.

"It's the economy stupid".

https://thefulcrum.us/election-2024/donald-trump-authoritarian-2389065

Tweety said:

Yes and his VP called him a threat as well.  

Beerman and Crusades said this is one of the reasons people were turned off to Harris, and perhaps in some small way it did (with the exception of people like Crusades who claim to be moderate but now are right wing because of it), but in my opinion most  people seemed unfazed and ignored it all.  Like I said you really didn't hear them getting bothered until they blamed Biden for the assassination attempts.  In my opinion.

"It's the economy stupid".

https://thefulcrum.us/election-2024/donald-trump-authoritarian-2389065

It wasn't that "people were not bothered by it" , it got to a point that it was said so much nobody cared as much. And after Trump was held accountable for his rhetoric for Jan.6 people held Biden and the democrats to the same standard with their rhetoric against Trump. Rhetoric that most likely contributed to the 2 attempted assination attempts. Name calling is one thing, inspiring an assassination attempt or even  a "insurrection " is 2 entirely different things. No? 

So when Trump almost had his head blown off and an innocent man killed, it was worth "caring about". 

You claim to be left wing and even "moderatly woke" I think you are only slightly left of center. 

I was reluctantly right when I could no longer align myself with even slight left of centre. I think Trump's VP also had a simular enlighlment.  

I might also speculate a simular phenomenon  explaining Trump winning all 7 swing states and you know it!! The popular vote. 

Beerman said:

I told you what I thought there was to get from this poll at this point in time.  Imo, not meaningless.

Trump said he isn't ready to endorse him in 2028.  He said nothing about Vance not replacing him if in your words " a third shooter was successful."

How would he have any say in that situation,  anyway?

@mtmkjr see what I mean?

. It doesn't matter! Trump could be dead and still "a threat to democracy " or more fashionably, "destabilizing our democracy ". That's the new one. 

This proves it. LOL. 

Tweety said:

 

It was after the assignation attempts that Republicans went on the defensive about Dem rhetoric.  

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I think that 2 assination attempt justifies this. 

After being called Nazi, racist..... for so long, it really doesn't matter as much.  The words have been perverted and overused so much they don't have any meaning anymore. So there was nothing to do but ignore it. 

However when someone is almost killed twice and possible a third time and innocentman killed, I think it's worth mentioning.  Or harder to ignore.  

subee said:

It's difficult to separate the indefensible from the defensible since the bullet points are coming so quickly we don't have enough time to think about one idea before he changes is mind or throws out another brash concept.  IMHO, it's not wise .  However, I think Trump might be onto something about the Gazans moving on .  It's just a germ of an idea right now and wouldn't unfold completely in my lifetime but it's intriguing.  Vance, BTW, made it perfectly clear in a speech in Germany that he supports the far right nazi sympathies of the group to whom he was speaking.  Right now, Vance has become the small child playing with his own brain on the floor.  If Trump wants to dump him I'm not sure he could not  find a worst replacement.

Nazi sympathizers? You mean Hamas? 

Crusades said:

You claim to be left wing and even "moderatly woke" I think you are only slightly left of center. 

I have never said I was left wing and dozens of times said I don't consume left wing media or even MSNBC so you're mistaking me for someone else.

But I have also said that "woke" is not an insult to me.

I have offered much more understanding of Trump's deportation and spending cuts and have pretty much presented left of center, so you have that right.

Trump's and followers disbelief in an election and behavior afterwards was blasphemous.