President Biden thread

toomuchbaloney said:

That's correct, people can believe what they prefer.  But when they start taking actions based upon false beliefs and threatening our elected officials or breaking into the Capitol and stopping the certification of the vote while chanting threats to the VP it's quite a different matter.  The propaganda around those events wants to minimize the significance of that chaotic attack.  

Sure, you can believe that.  Or, you could consider that every election cycle there is an influx of new members into the political forums and there is always an influx of right wing misinformation and propaganda.  

In my view, you don't try to engage me in meaningful conversation very often.  Your comment above is an example of that.  

What about when they say a person is just like Hitler, will ruin democracy, place people in consentration camps and force women to be baby slaves then say they need to be put in the "bullseye"?. Then feingn outrage and act surprised when someone tred to assinate someone? 

And there is only genuine pure as snow left information void of lies and propaganda? A Democrat never engaged in hyperbolic rhetoric or propaganda?  Right...... 

toomuchbaloney said:

That's correct.  I don't advocate violence.  I don't even really care for the violence involved in feeding myself.  It sounds like you might approve of planned violence in some circumstances.  I really don't.  I'm prepared for violence in self defense but I'm a born again Christian and I don't believe that violence is one of the Godly tools or gifts.  

I guess you consider that to be a characteristic of a charlatan...someone who doesn't condone violence because the intentions were good.  Oh well.   

No. A charlatan is someone to engages in hyperbolic rhetoric then feigns outrage when the target of their hyperbolic language is almost assinated. 

Beerman said:

Another example of repetitive propaganda would be that electing Trump would be the end of democracy.   Or that Trump is another Hitler.

Some have bought into that propaganda to the extent that they believe Trump's assassination would have been deserved and be a good thing for our country.

In a private 2016 message to an old Yale roommate, JD Vance said Trump could be "America's Hitler."

Josh McLaurin, the former roommate, released the message after Trump endorsed Vance in 2022.

McLaurin, now a Democratic lawmaker, told BI he did it to expose Vance's "hypocrisy."

JD Vance, now former President Donald Trump's running mate, once speculated in a 2016 message to a former college roommate that Trump could end up being "America's Hitler."

Vance had also written that year that Trump was "unfit" to be president, called him an "idiot," and described him as "cultural heroin."

At the time, Trump was running for the presidency for the first time.

Josh McLaurin, Vance's former roommate at Yale and now a Democratic state senator in Georgia, sat on the "America's Hitler" message for years before deciding to publish it in 2022, shortly after Trump endorsed Vance's Senate run.

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Crusades said:

No. A charlatan is someone to engages in hyperbolic rhetoric then feigns outrage when the target of their hyperbolic language is almost assinated. 

Is that what you want the definition to be or is it what you believe the definition of charlatan is?  Either way, it doesn't match the actual meaning. 

Are you practicing using hyperbole or just practicing using the word hyperbolic? 

I don't recall feigning outrage.  I only recall indicating that violence is not an acceptable plan to achieve political goals.  I then recall some hyperbolic rhetoric suggesting that people should be praising the would be assassin. Is that what you recall? 

Beerman said:

I'm in a good mood.  I'll indulge you in this disingenuous question.

As you know, a member here stated he deserved it, and that the country would be better off if the assassination attempt had been successful. She used a comparison to Hitler to back up her opinions.

There have been a few in the news, such as a congressional staffer.  And, a elementary school teacher on a Facebook post.  She even proudly identified herself as a teacher in the discussion.  Likely, there are many more who are at least smart enough to stay silent.  I would include some people I know personally in that group, although I don't know for sure.

I'd like to think it's a small minority.  That could still be in the thousands. Or hundreds of thousands.

The point is, they've bought into the Trump is Hitler and/or will end Democracy propaganda.

I'm surprised there isn't more accolades for the try hard assassin. Considering some think Trump will inact Nazi style policy. So why would they not support the attempted assination of Trump (Hitler)? Either they think Hitler isn't that bad to deserve an assination, secretly condone the attempt on Trump's life or just exploiting the evilness of Hitler to gain power. 

Beerman said:

I'm in a good mood.  I'll indulge you in this disingenuous question.

As you know, a member here stated he deserved it, and that the country would be better off if the assassination attempt had been successful. She used a comparison to Hitler to back up her opinions.

There have been a few in the news, such as a congressional staffer.  And, a elementary school teacher on a Facebook post.  She even proudly identified herself as a teacher in the discussion.  Likely, there are many more who are at least smart enough to stay silent.  I would include some people I know personally in that group, although I don't know for sure.

I'd like to think it's a small minority.  That could still be in the thousands. Or hundreds of thousands.

The point is, they've bought into the Trump is Hitler and/or will end Democracy propaganda.

Thanks for the answer.  Yes.  One member here thought the violence was justifiable.  You've mentioned some random people.  

Trump has said and done some things which are direct threats to our republic.  What would cause American citizens to ignore or dismiss that? 

And.... he's out

And that's how to hand the country to fascists.  

toomuchbaloney said:

And that's how to hand the country to fascists.  

Perhaps the media will turn its focus to the pathology of the GOP nominee, although I doubt it.