President Biden thread

toomuchbaloney said:

That's right.  There's a group of conservative Christians, calling themselves evangelicals, who are devoted to Trump.  One of the pastors in that group was just charged with some crimes related to sex with a minor female. As a group,  they are happy to follow a unrepentant philanderer and pathological liar who doesn't practice confession of sin or forgiveness. They don't care that he was unfaithful to all of his 3 wives and joked about having sex with his daughter.  They like the guy who sells Bibles with government documents included because he doesn't understand that contradiction at all (maybe they don't understand either). 

https://divinity.uchicago.edu/sightings/articles/donald-trump-and-exceptions-american-evangelicalism

Am I the beneficiary of an anticipatory scolding by you?  Don't do this and don't do that?  That's funny.  Let me know when you use a Bible verse. 

You're pretty preoccupied with my supporting evidence for someone who ignores evidence of Trump's incompetence or disqualifying character flaws and believes things about a Trump which enjoy no supporting evidence.  That's a conundrum.  

toomuchbaloney said:

That's right.  There's a group of conservative Christians, calling themselves evangelicals, who are devoted to Trump.  One of the pastors in that group was just charged with some crimes related to sex with a minor female. As a group,  they are happy to follow a unrepentant philanderer and pathological liar who doesn't practice confession of sin or forgiveness. They don't care that he was unfaithful to all of his 3 wives and joked about having sex with his daughter.  They like the guy who sells Bibles with government documents included because he doesn't understand that contradiction at all (maybe they don't understand either). 

https://divinity.uchicago.edu/sightings/articles/donald-trump-and-exceptions-american-evangelicalism

Am I Let's the beneficiary of an anticipatory scolding by you?  Don't do this and don't do that?  That's funny.  Let me know when you use a Bible verse. 

You're pretty preoccupied with my supporting evidence for someone who ignores evidence of Trump's incompetence or disqualifying character flaws and believes things about a Trump which enjoy no supporting evidence.  That's 

Speaking of bible verses, do you remember the Fox News commentator wanna be, Pastor Paula Fox who was Trump televangelist in the WH?  She preached the gospel of prosperithy which I think goes like this:  If you are wealthy, you did something right by making a lot of money so Jesus loves you.  If you're not wealthy, you must be doing something wrong and Jesus doesn't love you. Today she is the "president" of her ministries headquarted in Apopka, Fla. and has a TV show.  

subee said:

 

Speaking of bible verses, do you remember the Fox News commentator wanna be, Pastor Paula Fox who was Trump televangelist in the WH?  She preached the gospel of prosperithy which I think goes like this:  If you are wealthy, you did something right by making a lot of money so Jesus loves you.  If you're not wealthy, you must be doing something wrong and Jesus doesn't love you. Today she is the "president" of her ministries headquarted in Apopka, Fla. and has a TV show.  

Yeah. There's so many charlatans in 21st century capitalist religion, preaching comes with attractive tax incentives.  The prosperity gospel is only one way that so many have wandered from the actual path of Jesus Christ. 

toomuchbaloney said:

Trump's VP compared Trump to Hitler.  That was before he did a 180° pivot to become the biggest Trump champion.  The fellow will now proudly tell the world that he won't accept the November election results if/when Trump loses. What a faithful patriot, am I right? 

Again, we don't generally call factually correct information propaganda. That's a confusing detail for you.  An example of repetitive propaganda is the lie that the 2020 election was fraught with fraud and Trump didn't really lose.  Another example is the idea that Trump was the best president, like we heard over and over at the convention yesterday.  That's not even close to being true but it's repeated again and again and people believe it because of the repetition and their predisposition to believe it.  That's propaganda.  

Sure, people might say that I might be in a cult.  Mostly that happens when cult members try to project their indoctrinated state into others.  But, yeah, people say things that aren't really true all of the time in defense of their Trumpism. 

People can believe whatever they want. 

Again, a opinion that is differing of your own is not propaganda because you say it is. I think that is confusing and hard for you. Delusions of grandeur is a symptom of a narcissist is it not? 

As per Tweety, it seems you have been using this fallacy of anything someone says it's propaganda in these threads for years. I'm new but I agree with him that it is pointless to try to engage any meaningful debate. 

toomuchbaloney said:

Yeah. There's so many charlatans in 21st century capitalist religion, preaching comes with attractive tax incentives.  The prosperity gospel is only one way that so many have wandered from the actual path of Jesus Christ. 

Especially charlatans that claim someone is as bad a Hiter then goes on to say that an attempted assassination is unacceptable political violence when said person is equivalent to Hilter is almost assisinated.... 

Beerman said:

Another example of repetitive propaganda would be that electing Trump would be the end of democracy.   Or that Trump is another Hitler.

Some have bought into that propaganda to the extent that they believe Trump's assassination would have been deserved and be a good thing for our country.

Anyone who says Trump is Hitler should be praising the wannabe assassin . Not calling out political violence. Just another weave they have spun. 

Beerman said:

Another example of repetitive propaganda would be that electing Trump would be the end of democracy.   Or that Trump is another Hitler.

Some have bought into that propaganda to the extent that they believe Trump's assassination would have been deserved and be a good thing for our country.

I think it's wise to consider the things that Trump has actually said or done which are, in fact, harmful to the institutions of our government and a threat to our very republic.  It wasn't an accident or a joke or a misunderstanding when Trump lied about the 2020 election and then tried to bully and scare his VP to take an unconstitutional action on his behalf.  Trump lies about that election to this day and his VP won't say that election results will be accepted this time or anytime in the future if Trump loses again. That's something to take seriously if we, as Ben Franklin said, want to keep our republic.  If he would try to do that, what else might he try with help from influential sycophants? Should we bet our republic on those guesses? 

I've not heard any of those voices.  Maybe you could provide an example.  Are you talking about random people in the internet or political leaders or political activists? 

Trump is uncomfortably similar to Hitler. 

Crusades said:

Anyone who says Trump is Hitler should be praising the wannabe assassin . Not calling out political violence. Just another weave they have spun. 

What are you saying? 

I'm not really an advocate for killing people for future crimes.  That's some real authoritarian sci-fi stuff right there.  I don't think I'm the one spinning something when that's your contribution while you plan to vote for the right wing authoritarian who consolidated grievances using lies and propaganda... you know, just like Hitler did.  

Crusades said:

Especially charlatans that claim someone is as bad a Hiter then goes on to say that an attempted assassination is unacceptable political violence when said person is equivalent to Hilter is almost assisinated.... 

That's correct.  I don't advocate violence.  I don't even really care for the violence involved in feeding myself.  It sounds like you might approve of planned violence in some circumstances.  I really don't.  I'm prepared for violence in self defense but I'm a born again Christian and I don't believe that violence is one of the Godly tools or gifts.  

I guess you consider that to be a characteristic of a charlatan...someone who doesn't condone violence because the intentions were good.  Oh well.   

Crusades said:

People can believe whatever they want. 

Again, a opinion that is differing of your own is not propaganda because you say it is. I think that is confusing and hard for you. Delusions of grandeur is a symptom of a narcissist is it not? 

As per Tweety, it seems you have been using this fallacy of anything someone says it's propaganda in these threads for years. I'm new but I agree with him that it is pointless to try to engage any meaningful debate. 

That's correct, people can believe what they prefer.  But when they start taking actions based upon false beliefs and threatening our elected officials or breaking into the Capitol and stopping the certification of the vote while chanting threats to the VP it's quite a different matter.  The propaganda around those events wants to minimize the significance of that chaotic attack.  

Sure, you can believe that.  Or, you could consider that every election cycle there is an influx of new members into the political forums and there is always an influx of right wing misinformation and propaganda.  

In my view, you don't try to engage me in meaningful conversation very often.  Your comment above is an example of that.  

toomuchbaloney said:

What are you saying? 

I'm not really an advocate for killing people for future crimes.  That's some real authoritarian sci-fi stuff right there.  I don't think I'm the one spinning something when that's your contribution while you plan to vote for the right wing authoritarian who consolidated grievances using lies and propaganda... you know, just like Hitler did.  

You wouldn't advocate killing Hitler? 

The "right wing authoritarian" that you liken to Hitler repetitively? That one? The sane one who was almost assisinated? In which you disagreed with the attempted assisination? 

Of it was Hitler would you still condem political violence? Either your disingenuous, use the Hilter comparison a hyperbolic propaganda, or you Really do wish Trump was killed. 

And yet you condem Trump for crimes he has not committed (destroy our democratic republic) also for crimes you said he would have done in his first term but didn't? 

You advocate for hysterical democrat women rendering themselfs sterile for fear of future republican bills on birthcontrol ? That haven't happened yet? Now that's some irrational thinking .

toomuchbaloney said:

That's correct.  I don't advocate violence.  I don't even really care for the violence involved in feeding myself.  It sounds like you might approve of planned violence in some circumstances.  I really don't.  I'm prepared for violence in self defense but I'm a born again Christian and I don't believe that violence is one of the Godly tools or gifts.  

I guess you consider that to be a characteristic of a charlatan...someone who doesn't condone violence because the intentions were good.  Oh well.   

No. I do not agree with violence at all. However.  I wouldn't consider assassinating someone like Hitler violence. It would be a duty. Anyone with that mentality forfeits the right to live. 

You seem to think Trumo is as bad as Hitler yet you found the attempted assination inappropriate.  

Interesting.....