President Biden thread

toomuchbaloney said:

Trump's border policy separated children from their families and lost hundreds of those children in the chaotic system he created.  Trump loses often.  So much losing.  

We have a few of those children in my town.  Very sad for them to lose their parents and then be sent to a town with only a handful of Spanish speakers.  Funny how these kids are fostered  much more quickly than our on home grown kids who need homes.

Beerman said:

I bring it up because the Democrats are trying to have us all believe that Republicans haven't done anything and have no interest in fixing the border crisis.

It didn't become law because elected Democrats are OK with illegal immigration.  That is, until they realized it might cost them the election.

No Democrat is in favor of illegal immigration.    We just want the DACA's to be able to stay.  That was the Democratic issue.  Legal immigration has nothing to do with illegal immigration.  It's badly handled by both sides but the Republicans refused to OK a good start because Trump couldn't allow that to happen while he was running.  Very cynical.  I know Steve Miller wants to build concentration camps for them while they are deported back.  That is just unAmerican.  If the CBP had been given the technology during the Trump administration that they asked for, perhaps we wouldn't be in this mess.  Biden made it worst.  But really?  How many people are PERSONALLY AFFECTED by immigration?  I vote for my own middle-class interests and this just isn't one of them.  We actually need legal immigrants here but Northern Michigan is a tough sell:)

Beerman said:

He was actually better than I was expecting.

"In text messages with POLITICO, Democrats expressed confusion and concern as they watched the first minutes of the event. One former Biden White House and campaign aide called it "terrible,” adding that they have had to ask themselves over and over "What did he just say? This is crazy.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/27/biden-debate-opening-concerns-00165595

I thought Biden did better than I expected as well. 

However, I took no joy is what I witnessed. I watched the entire debate and at times had to fight tears. That poor man, being thrown into a role that even young men would find difficult. This term most likely has cut years from his life. Shame on his family and anyone close to Biden. This is elder abuse. 

I am confused why many democrats and left wing media are so surprised? Did they really believe the ample video of Bidens declining cognition was "cheap fakes" or "far right propaganda "? 

There is a sense of panic and I would agree that there is reason to be worried. I am put off that it also appears that the democrats are turning their backs on Biden. After they pushed so hard for him to run only to betray him now. Not really surprised.  Cult behavior or not (know this will be said) Trump seems to have more loyalty within his party and supporters. 

I went to bed sad last night and didn't even enjoy that Trump came out better than Biden. 

I don't think Trump came out better than Biden. 

Beerman said:

I can't say I'm shedding a tear for him, but I agree.  His family should put a stop to this embarrassment and let him enjoy his last few years at his beach home.  In my opinion, Jill is too in love with being First Lady.

I'm not sure they are surprised.  He won last time campaigning from his basement.  As evidenced here, they've been able to cover for him well enough that many didn't see or didn't want to see reality.  They stupidly thought they could keep it going.

So, now it's out there.  The average Joe who only pays attention during election season has now seen what we've been seeing.  So, now they're turning on him.  I actually thought it'd happen much earlier, after the midterm elections.

 

I can't say you didn't call it a couple of years ago.  I'll give you that.

We don't know what is going on behind the scenes with his family.  Families and wives don't always have good control over getting the elderly to quit their jobs, stop climbing on ladders, surrender their licenses or go to a nursing home.  I see this played out with my 91 year old father.  There's only so much control we have over him.

It shows that Dr. Biden loves being First Lady.  She's very good at that role and it's refreshing.  That she would make a power play and not talk her husband out of being President...who knows.  

I don't know who the "average Joe" is that is turning on him but his post-debate speech "I may be old.....but I don't lie and know this job......." is getting circulated.  

I am hearing over and over from co-workers, patients and friends "I can't believe these are the two choices we have...how did this happen".  The Average Joe is in a dilemma right now.  People may be turning on Biden and acknowledging his dismal debate and expressing concerns but that doesn't necessarily mean Trump is being elevated.

Interesting times.

I am reading some dramatic click bait that donors are in "panic mode", "freaking out" after the debate.  

Interesting times.

Quote

 

Donald Trump wasn't the only one to get a fundraising boost off his New York hush money conviction — so did Joe Biden.

The president's campaign had its single biggest day of online fundraising the day after Trump was convicted, according to a POLITICO analysis of federal campaign finance data. And as the money flowed in, his political operation also drew more new donors

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/26/biden-online-fundraising-trump-verdict-00165183

https://variety.com/2024/biz/news/hollywood-democrats-panic-biden-debate-1236056752/

Beerman said:

I can't say I'm shedding a tear for him, but I agree.  His family should put a stop to this embarrassment and let him enjoy his last few years at his beach home.  In my opinion, Jill is too in love with being First Lady.

I'm not sure they are surprised.  He won last time campaigning from his basement.  As evidenced here, they've been able to cover for him well enough that many didn't see or didn't want to see reality.  They stupidly thought they could keep it going.

So, now it's out there.  The average Joe who only pays attention during election season has now seen what we've been seeing.  So, now they're turning on him.  I actually thought it'd happen much earlier, after the midterm elections.

 

That's an interesting speculation about Dr Biden.  Maybe we should speculate about Melania's absence from the courtroom and the campaign trail? 

I know that Trump supporters want the election to be decided on the basis of one debate, but it won't be. Neither candidate represented themselves well the other night.  The biggest difference is that Biden's voters were disappointed while Trump's voters think that his rambling rants and associated looseness are normal.

There are years of behavior on the record for both men and both men are campaigning so that they can be compared.  One of those two men was a failed first term president and one was a productive and successful first term president.  One of those men tried to overthrow the 2020 election results. One of the candidates is a convicted felon, an adjudicated fraud and sexual abuser who is restricted in his association with any charity in NY. 

Voters get to choose between the guy who muses about terminating inconvenient parts of the constitution while trash talking the nation and the guy who talks about defending it. There are 4 full months before the election and there's lots and lots of opportunities for people to realize exactly how deluded and dangerous Biden's opponent really is. 

I mean, that guy is once again signaling to his cult that if/when he loses the election the results are not to be accepted.  That un-American attitude is now pervasive among "conservative" politicians.  Pretty much all of the front runners for Trump's VP have now indicated that had they been in Pence's position on 010621 they would have halted the count and sent the EC vote back to the states.  That alone should turn all patriots against that ticket, but propaganda works and by now GOP voters think that's all just normal politics. 

Tweety said:

I can't say you didn't call it a couple of years ago.  I'll give you that.

We don't know what is going on behind the scenes with his family.  Families and wives don't always have good control over getting the elderly to quit their jobs, stop climbing on ladders, surrender their licenses or go to a nursing home.  I see this played out with my 91 year old father.  There's only so much control we have over him.

It shows that Dr. Biden loves being First Lady.  She's very good at that role and it's refreshing.  That she would make a power play and not talk her husband out of being President...who knows.  

I don't know who the "average Joe" is that is turning on him but his post-debate speech "I may be old.....but I don't lie and know this job......." is getting circulated.  

I am hearing over and over from co-workers, patients and friends "I can't believe these are the two choices we have...how did this happen".  The Average Joe is in a dilemma right now.  People may be turning on Biden and acknowledging his dismal debate and expressing concerns but that doesn't necessarily mean Trump is being elevated.

Interesting times.

 

That's a good point. Many families are in denial of their love ones cognitive decline. However not everyone's family member is the POTUS either. Everyday grandpa isn't resposible for global security and national security. In regular families it's mostly the person at risk not an entire country. 

I cannot fathom that his family and closest friends do not see the decline. 

Any other situation potential elder abuse would not get such a pass as it is here? I guess the POTUS isn't worth protecting?  Or too much power to lose? Especially getting Trump out. At all cost.... 

Interesting indeed. 

Crusades said:

That's a good point. Many families are in denial of their love ones cognitive decline. However not everyone's family member is the POTUS either. Everyday grandpa isn't resposible for global security and national security. In regular families it's mostly the person at risk not an entire country. 

I cannot fathom that his family and closest friends do not see the decline. 

Any other situation potential elder abuse would not get such a pass as it is here? I guess the POTUS isn't worth protecting?  Or too much power to lose? Especially getting Trump out. At all cost.... 

Interesting indeed. 

Well, to be honest, there's never been a president before who intentionally politicized and lied about a public health emergency and tried to retain lost political power through extra-constitutional means.  We've never had a former president speak so badly about a sitting president our country.  We've never had a former president literally publish to the nation that he would definitely consider terminating parts of our constitution which might limit his power.  We've never before had a president who was convicted of 34 felonies and an adjudicated fraud and bully.  

It seems perfectly reasonable to avoid re-electing such a man at all costs, yes.  Especially so if that cost is only another go round with the Biden administration, which had been quite productive and successful in achieving objectives.  

Crusades said:

That's a good point. Many families are in denial of their love ones cognitive decline.

I didn't say that. 

Let me rephrase my point.  Beerman is faulting the Biden family for not making him retire.  My point is that family's only have so much power over their loved ones in decline.  I never made the point that families are in denial of their loved one's cognitive decline.  I pretty much said the opposite.  They are aware of the decline but can only do so much to a free person making their own decisions.

I'm sure his family sees him in decline.  Biden himself admits it.  Which frustrates me because he should voluntarily retire.  I'm sure many people around him have urged him to do so.  I don't know I'm not a fly on the wall privy to such stuff.

My ex (may he rest in peace) went through this with his father.  Finally having to have a neurologist and another MD declare him incompetent and took over all of his affairs.  In the meantime prior he could only control his father so much.

As far as getting Trump out at all costs, I'm not buying into conspiracy theories.  Trump made his own legal bed that he has to lie in.  Otherwise the "all costs" Biden is conducting is a legal and fair election, same as we've done for a few hundred years.