President Biden thread

Crusades said:

That's a good point. Many families are in denial of their love ones cognitive decline. However not everyone's family member is the POTUS either. Everyday grandpa isn't resposible for global security and national security. In regular families it's mostly the person at risk not an entire country. 

I cannot fathom that his family and closest friends do not see the decline. 

Any other situation potential elder abuse would not get such a pass as it is here? I guess the POTUS isn't worth protecting?  Or too much power to lose? Especially getting Trump out. At all cost.... 

Interesting indeed. 

People said the same thing about FDR.  Trump is still more chaotic and dangerous.

Tweety said:

I didn't say that. 

Let me rephrase my point.  Beerman is faulting the Biden family for not making him retire.  My point is that family's only have so much power over their loved ones in decline.  I never made the point that families are in denial of their loved one's cognitive decline.  I pretty much said the opposite.  They are aware of the decline but can only do so much to a free person making their own decisions.

I'm sure his family sees him in decline.  Biden himself admits it.  Which frustrates me because he should voluntarily retire.  I'm sure many people around him have urged him to do so.  I don't know I'm not a fly on the wall privy to such stuff.

My ex (may he rest in peace) went through this with his father.  Finally having to have a neurologist and another MD declare him incompetent and took over all of his affairs.  In the meantime prior he could only control his father so much.

As far as getting Trump out at all costs, I'm not buying into conspiracy theories.  Trump made his own legal bed that he has to lie in.  Otherwise the "all costs" Biden is conducting is a legal and fair election, same as we've done for a few hundred years.

I don't blame the family.  I blame the Democratic party,  They've run an awful election.  But, they aren't vicious destroyers like the MAGA's so I'd never vote for Trump.  

I think the reason the media has taken such a sharp turn away from Biden after that debate performance is because it's so obvious he can't win. Since they have zero chance of persuading Trump's supporters to reconsider the only hope is to throw somebody else in there at the last minute. 

And yes it's been no secret that certain media has always been biased towards the left. Now they are reaping the consequences of crying wolf and none of the people that matter listen to anything they say about Trump. 

The only hope is an alternative to Trump that independent and middle voters will get behind.

This is a funny YouTube Jon Stewart reaction to the debate, btw. Better to laugh than cry...

Emergent said:

 I see this whole election as another symptom of the decline of America.

Emergent said:

On all levels. It hasn't hit bottom yet though. 

How we are living now though, is unsustainable. From materialism, massive debt, breakdown of the families, failure to properly educate children, entitlement, farmland being gobbled up by housing developments, corporate greed, farmland being bought by foreign entities, inner cities going from bad to worse, the fentanyl crisis, massive healthcare costs that are getting worse and worse, I'm sure I could go on and on...

I would suggest that elevation of a person as morally and ethically corrupt as Biden's opponent and placing him into a position of authority and respect goes a long way to undermining any sense of American decency or ability to educate our children or ability to save our farm land from corporate appetites.  Biden's opponent has exactly zero policy or plans to address any of the things which concern you.  He will accelerate the decline that he talks so passionately and frequently about.  

mtmkjr said:

I think the reason the media has taken such a sharp turn away from Biden after that debate performance is because it's so obvious he can't win. Since they have zero chance of persuading Trump's supporters to reconsider the only hope is to throw somebody else in there at the last minute. 

And yes it's been no secret that certain media has always been biased towards the left. Now they are reaping the consequences of crying wolf and none of the people that matter listen to anything they say about Trump. 

The only hope is an alternative to Trump that independent and middle voters will get behind.

You think it's obvious that Biden can't win?  I don't.  Of course, now it's going to be harder, but Biden's opponent hasn't become honest, ethical, moral or patriotic since Thursday. Biden's opponent is still a dangerous liar who mismanaged a pandemic before trying to overthrow our government.  

toomuchbaloney said:

You think it's obvious that Biden can't win?  I don't.  Of course, now it's going to be harder, but Biden's opponent hasn't become honest, ethical, moral or patriotic since Thursday. Biden's opponent is still a dangerous liar who mismanaged a pandemic before trying to overthrow our government.  

Yes I do. Biden's age is what it is, not something that can be corrected - unlike a campaign losing ground can do a reset.

And all you say is true, but sadly it doesn't matter to enough people. The biggest factor in the eyes of his supporters being the prosecutions, which have boosted Trump more than anything else, even as he gets convicted and labeled a felon. It might be an oversimplification but I think Alvin Bragg single-handedly impacted public opinion towards Trump. What a legacy. 

If the classified documents case was the only one, and if it had not been delayed so long things would be much different.

mtmkjr said:

Yes I do. Biden's age is what it is, not something that can be corrected - unlike a campaign losing ground can do a reset.

And all you say is true, but sadly it doesn't matter to enough people. The biggest factor in the eyes of his supporters being the prosecutions, which have boosted Trump more than anything else, even as he gets convicted and labeled a felon. It might be an oversimplification but I think Alvin Bragg single-handedly impacted public opinion towards Trump. What a legacy. 

If the classified documents case was the only one, and if it had not been delayed so long things would be much different.

 

 

Trump is 77.  Biden is 81.  I think there is probably even less difference between their physiological ages.  4 years difference is a non-issue.  They are BOTH old.

Tweety said:

 

I don't think we are at the finale yet but the handbasket is getting close to a crash landing.  It's certainly augering into the ground since 2016.  This is what populism has given up.  They always vote for the fascists.

mtmkjr said:

Yes I do. Biden's age is what it is, not something that can be corrected - unlike a campaign losing ground can do a reset.

And all you say is true, but sadly it doesn't matter to enough people. The biggest factor in the eyes of his supporters being the prosecutions, which have boosted Trump more than anything else, even as he gets convicted and labeled a felon. It might be an oversimplification but I think Alvin Bragg single-handedly impacted public opinion towards Trump. What a legacy. 

If the classified documents case was the only one, and if it had not been delayed so long things would be much different.

 

 

Well, I'm going to be talking to people about it.  Biden's performance since the debate has been fine.  I'm not going to throw the DNC process into chaos because of one disappointing debate from an old man.    

Here's the bottom line; Biden is old and will retire soon.  Biden is also governing in a more than competent and effective manner.  Biden has assembled a thoughtful, capable and competent cabinet.  Biden's VP is more than capable of assuming the role of president should that be required or requested of her.  Certainly Biden's age is affecting his cognitive function but he's still functioning at a very high level. It would be foolish to upset the apple cart at this point when there is a perfectly rational pathway to elect Biden and allow him to retire in the next 18-24 months.  We already have a system in place to accomplish that with little chaos.  

Biden's opponent needs to be kept from that office.  The vote must be consolidated against Biden's opponent.  

toomuchbaloney said:

Well, I'm going to be talking to people about it.  Biden's performance since the debate has been fine.  I'm not going to throw the DNC process into chaos because of one disappointing debate from an old man.    

I agree that he seems his prior debate self now.  What the debate shows is he can't spontaneously put together thoughts without a teleprompter.  Which is concerning because he was prepped at Camp David.  

Since we were earlier talking about the family, I noticed this in an article about the post debate talk in the BBC.

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The president's family encouraged him to stay in the race and keep fighting during a long-planned visit to Camp David on Sunday, a source with knowledge of the conversations confirmed to CBS News, BBC's US partner.

Ultimately the decision was Biden's.

In the same article they spoke with Republican Senator Vance

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"Joe Biden had a disastrous performance, which is why they're talking about replacing him," Republican Senator JD Vance said on Fox News on Sunday.

Mr Vance said Trump was engaging, funny and had a "good natured demeanour" during the debate. 

"That's what you need to be able to serve as president of the United States and to contrast with Joe Biden, who seemed to be unable to complete a sentence," he said. 

Again, honesty, integrity, maturity and a believe in the Democratic system wasn't mentioned.  Just "engaging, funny and "a good natured demeanor" (my spellcheck I guess changed it to the American spelling)".  Admirable qualities all for sure but you need a little more to be able to serve as president in my opinion.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crgln3jx47go