President Biden thread

Tweety said:

I didn't say that. 

Let me rephrase my point.  Beerman is faulting the Biden family for not making him retire.  My point is that family's only have so much power over their loved ones in decline.  I never made the point that families are in denial of their loved one's cognitive decline.  I pretty much said the opposite.  They are aware of the decline but can only do so much to a free person making their own decisions.

I'm sure his family sees him in decline.  Biden himself admits it.  Which frustrates me because he should voluntarily retire.  I'm sure many people around him have urged him to do so.  I don't know I'm not a fly on the wall privy to such stuff.

My ex (may he rest in peace) went through this with his father.  Finally having to have a neurologist and another MD declare him incompetent and took over all of his affairs.  In the meantime prior he could only control his father so much.

As far as getting Trump out at all costs, I'm not buying into conspiracy theories.  Trump made his own legal bed that he has to lie in.  Otherwise the "all costs" Biden is conducting is a legal and fair election, same as we've done for a few hundred years.

Fair points. 

I would like for Bidens family to be in denial and was offering a theory less malevolent.  It's either denial or purposeful ignorance for power. 

Crusades said:

Fair points. 

I would like for Bidens family to be in denial and was offering a theory less malevolent.  It's either denial or purposeful ignorance for power. 

I can't tell you want to think and you can dismiss my idea that they are just like a lot of us dealing with elderly family members and doing their best. I know it's the Presidency and not the same as an elderly person that falls off of a bicycle and wants to get back on while a nervous family asks him not to, but I'm not a fly on the wall either.

At the end of the day Dr. Biden I do think is an enabler.  I can't believe they haven't had discussions about his retirement but at the end of the day she's standing by her man.  Publicly, this is what I would expect of a First Lady but it's enabling all the same.

As for Biden, yes it's a grab for power.  I do think he sincerely thinks he knows the job, can do the job and is better than Trump, but he enjoys the power.  I've never seen a President that didn't have an ego, and didn't like being President and the power that comes with that , and every President in my life time has ran as an incumbent.  Trump likes the power so much, in his head he won the election, and wants it back.

Democrats too want the Presidency.  

There's a good no-nonsense opinion in NYT.  My friend gifted it to me as a subscriber so not sure if any of you have views.  Although the part of "jeopardizing the Democracy he wants to save" is a bit much.

I think I too, a long while back, and maybe recently have used the term "selfish decision" in describing his bid for re-election.

I'm not going to do a "but Trump...." as tempting as that is.

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He's being selfish. He's putting himself ahead of the country. He's surrounded by opportunistic enablers. He has created a reality distortion field where we're told not to believe what we've plainly seen. His hubris is infuriating. He says he's doing this for us, but he's really doing it for himself.

I'm not talking about Donald Trump. I'm talking about the other president.

In Washington, people often become what they start out scorning. This has happened to Joe Biden. In his misguided quest for a second term that would end when he's 86, he has succumbed to behavior redolent of Trump. And he is jeopardizing the democracy he says he wants to save."

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/29/opinion/biden-debate-president-exit.html?unlocked_article_code=1.3k0.LrID.HFzhee2aT86G&smid=url-share

As the debate continues to overshadow everything the Atlanta Journal Constitution is urging Biden to step down for the good of the country and the prevent Donald Trump from becoming President,  in a front page editorial.

This after the New York Times did the same.

Hopefully as the heat gets turned on him he will face reality.

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But the unfortunate truth is that Biden should withdraw from the race, for the good of the nation he has served so admirably for half a century.

https://www.ajc.com/opinion/its-time-for-biden-to-pass-the-torch/6PO45RNWDFH4FAUYGR56TPRMHM/

Tweety said:

As the debate continues to overshadow everything the Atlanta Journal Constitution is urging Biden to step down for the good of the country and the prevent Donald Trump from becoming President,  in a front page editorial.

This after the New York Times did the same.

Hopefully as the heat gets turned on him he will face reality.

https://www.ajc.com/opinion/its-time-for-biden-to-pass-the-torch/6PO45RNWDFH4FAUYGR56TPRMHM/

I'm not certain why the media is more engaged with publishing reasons for Biden to step down than educating people on Trump's crazy incompetence and corruption.  

toomuchbaloney said:

I'm not certain why the media is more engaged with publishing reasons for Biden to step down than educating people on Trump's crazy incompetence and corruption.  

J22 put up an article asking for Trump to step down.

The Biden performance is big news now and should be reported on.

The media has reported on Trump's crazy incompetence and corruption for years ad nauseam.  

There's been complaints by members here of the anti-Trump bias in the media because it's been so much and that the press was covering for Biden.  The question I have is why this bad press doesn't seem to make a difference to Republican voters when they chose Trump for the nomination.

The focus on Biden by the so-called left leaning press after the debate really shows to me their balance.  

This isn't the first time this has happened. Woodrow Wilson and Ronald Reagan come to mind. 

Obviously, the country keeps humming along, run by big corporations, special interests, etc... 

Woodrow Wilson's wife was reported to have been his puppeteer after his stroke. Rumors had it that Nancy Reagan played a big role during her husband's cognitive decline. Life went on. 

Obviously, both parties are a huge embarrassment to the nation. Maybe AI is actually in charge. All I know is that I personally am doing OK. I've made good decisions in life, I'm debt free, retired from nursing, and working part-time in a plant nursery. My grown children are doing well too, so life is good.

Emergent said:

ies are a huge embarrassment to the nation. Maybe AI is actually in charge. All I know is that I personally am doing OK. I've made good decisions in life, I'm debt free, retired from nursing, and working part-time in a plant nursery. My grown children are doing well too, so life is good.

Same.

But I still care about the Presidency and other people.

Tweety said:

Same.

But I still care about the Presidency and other people.

Well, the U.S. is clearly in a societal decline that is something that government really can't control, and maybe is making worse. I choose to focus closer to home on the things I do have influence over.

Tweety said:

Same.

But I still care about the Presidency and other people.

Which is why Trump can't be any where near the presidency again, ever.  

Emergent said:

Well, the U.S. is clearly in a societal decline that is something that government really can't control, and maybe is making worse. I choose to focus closer to home on the things I do have influence over.

 

Do you mean ethical or moral decline? What decline are you thinking about? 

Emergent said:

Well, the U.S. is clearly in a societal decline that is something that government really can't control, and maybe is making worse. I choose to focus closer to home on the things I do have influence over.

 

But yet here you are reading the political forums.

On a day to day basis, the amount of energy I expend in worrying about world affairs is minimal.  I focus on work, life and relationships.  I fully understand my awareness and vote really don't have a great deal of influence over things.

toomuchbaloney said:

 

Do you mean ethical or moral decline? What decline are you thinking about? 

On all levels. It hasn't hit bottom yet though. 

How we are living now though, is unsustainable. From materialism, massive debt, breakdown of the families, failure to properly educate children, entitlement, farmland being gobbled up by housing developments, corporate greed, farmland being bought by foreign entities, inner cities going from bad to worse, the fentanyl crisis, massive healthcare costs that are getting worse and worse, I'm sure I could go on and on...

Tweety said:

But yet here you are reading the political forums.

On a day to day basis, the amount of energy I expend in worrying about world affairs is minimal.  I focus on work, life and relationships.  I fully understand my awareness and vote really don't have a great deal of influence over things.

Actually I don't read the political forums here, this is an anomaly. But I did see some clips of the debate, and what we already knew is clearly very obvious from the president's performance. But meanwhile, it hasn't affected me personally. I see this whole election as another symptom of the decline of America.