President Biden thread

1 hour ago, Assistedl8ving said:

I can see a difference. I saw destruction,death and suffering for most of 2020 and then again on Jan.6. Is Jan.6 less bad because it was 4 hours rather than a good part of the Summer? No, of course not.  Violence is violence no matter the cause or idea. It's childish to make claims one was worse than the other. Violence is violence. Neither is more noble or or reprehensible than the other. I can see a point where as one was protesting a precieved injustice of an election and another protesting a police injustice. Then you would need to look at how many people died. Will that determin which is worse? No. As I said, violence is violence. 

As far as I can see, there is a committee happening to determine to what extent Jan 6 was criminal. Many serious charges have been placed on the rioters.  That doesn't seem to be soft on crime. 

None the less, I'm not wanting to partake in a game of "but but but they did this!"...... 

That's it. Good day. 

That's very WWiI Swiss banker of you.

33 minutes ago, Beerman said:

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He's been "double vaccinated and double boosted "?

I've been on teams that have given thousands of vaccines in 5 different states.  I've never heard of that, however.  LOL 

I don't think this phrasing is that uncommon amongst non health care providers.

56 minutes ago, subee said:

That's very WWiI Swiss banker of you.

I do not know what that means. 

1 hour ago, Assistedl8ving said:

I'm not sure if I said I feel anything really. I'm confused that you would say that and even more confused about why you feel it necessary to be rude? 

I made an assumption. I think it is very unlikely he was the stereotypical MAGA Trump supporter who planed to kill a Justice that overturned Roe. He may not be  a Biden supporter but based on the balance of probabilities,  he would most likely is not be a Trump supporter.  

It doesn't really matter because what he did was not acceptable, regardless of his political affiliation. I only made mention to give a example of a Biden extremist. Perhaps he is mentally ill but he wasn't born a extremist so something made him that way. (With mental health influence). So perhaps we should look at what type of information he was consuming? 

Again, I'm not interested in a rude back and forth argument. Violence and extremism is a problem and not asigned to a specific group. It's the one true thing we all have in common, sadly and ironically.  This is what my point was, I wasn't looking for a battle of which side has the bigger doo doo heads LOL 

I did not mean to be rude. I truly am interested on your beliefs or assumptions of party affiliations. For instance,  I have noticed that you characterize voting choice as binary: either a Trump supporter or a democrat. I think a lot of voters are apolitical until election time. I personally know very few people who are registered in either of the major parties. 

You posted "I'm pretty sure those rioters in Seattle chop voted for Trump." This surprises me and I am curious what you base that on.

Back to the "extreme Biden supporter" moniker. I still don't understand what that means. Are you willing to explain that? 

Yes, I believe the young man who has been charged in the Kavanaugh incident is likely mentally ill. I am glad the Justice was not hurt. 

2 hours ago, Assistedl8ving said:

I can see a difference. I saw destruction,death and suffering for most of 2020 and then again on Jan.6. Is Jan.6 less bad because it was 4 hours rather than a good part of the Summer? No, of course not.  Violence is violence no matter the cause or idea. It's childish to make claims one was worse than the other. Violence is violence. Neither is more noble or or reprehensible than the other. I can see a point where as one was protesting a precieved injustice of an election and another protesting a police injustice. Then you would need to look at how many people died. Will that determin which is worse? No. As I said, violence is violence. 

As far as I can see, there is a committee happening to determine to what extent Jan 6 was criminal. Many serious charges have been placed on the rioters.  That doesn't seem to be soft on crime. 

None the less, I'm not wanting to partake in a game of "but but but they did this!"...... 

That's it. Good day. 

It's not at all childish to discern between the violence that occurred adjacent to BLM protests and violence that occurred directly related to an attack on the capitol for the purpose of overthrowing our democratic republic (to establish some other form of government headed by Trump). In my view, the concern about the events of January 6 and the dangerous philosophy they represent are not about the physical violence as much as they are about the attempted overthrow of the elected government.  

Comparing the BLM protests to Jan 6th is inappropriate.  January 6th was an attempt to break our constitution to benefit Trump... decidedly NOT a protest.  At best it was a violent riot incited by a dangerous liar that involved thousands of angry but naive people in a much deeper and more un-American plot than they knew.  The crowd was a weapon or tool for Trump. 

I think that the "but, but, but they did this" that frustrates you is part of considering the contrast that actually exists between these things that you see as the same. I think that the contrast between what happened on Jan 6th with any other events, including the BLM protests, is obvious and that it is important to point that out. In my view when you equate them it is like you telling me that a tornado is just a little storm, nothing to worry about.  I have to challenge characterizations that minimize the importance of that attempted coup just like I would have to challenge the advice to shrug off the tornado.  

2 hours ago, Assistedl8ving said:

I'm not sure if I said I feel anything really. I'm confused that you would say that and even more confused about why you feel it necessary to be rude? 

I made an assumption. I think it is very unlikely he was the stereotypical MAGA Trump supporter who planed to kill a Justice that overturned Roe. He may not be  a Biden supporter but based on the balance of probabilities,  he would most likely is not be a Trump supporter.  

It doesn't really matter because what he did was not acceptable, regardless of his political affiliation. I only made mention to give a example of a Biden extremist. Perhaps he is mentally ill but he wasn't born a extremist so something made him that way. (With mental health influence). So perhaps we should look at what type of information he was consuming? 

Again, I'm not interested in a rude back and forth argument. Violence and extremism is a problem and not asigned to a specific group. It's the one true thing we all have in common, sadly and ironically.  This is what my point was, I wasn't looking for a battle of which side has the bigger doo doo heads LOL 

https://apnews.com/article/fbi-chris-wray-testify-capitol-riot-9a5539af34b15338bb5c4923907eeb67

The fellow you've mentioned a couple times now is not an example of a Biden extremist.  Do you have another example?

I do think that we should consider how the people who participated in or minimize attempts to overthrow our democracy are radicalized into that level of disregard for our country and constitution. What type of information are they consuming?

17 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Just thought I'd leave this for anyone who might find it helpful ?

https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/discern

 

*differentiate - recognize or ascertain what makes (someone or something) different.

26 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

https://apnews.com/article/fbi-chris-wray-testify-capitol-riot-9a5539af34b15338bb5c4923907eeb67

The fellow you've mentioned a couple times now is not an example of a Biden extremist.  Do you have another example?

I do think that we should consider how the people who participated in or minimize attempts to overthrow our democracy are radicalized into that level of disregard for our country and constitution. What type of information are they consuming?

Well, it might be helpful to describe "etreem" within the context we are speaking. I do not have any individual citizens name. 

I believe extremist is the belief/feeling that a person through behavior  exhibits behavior void of any reason and or thought. Where facts are over looked, far fetched ideas are presented as facts even when such "facts" are not supported by data. Accompanied with a disregard for integrity. "Doesn't matter if it's true, say it and at least someone will believe it" type tactic. And not being able to see other opinions or accepting criticism and a doubling down on what they think is virtuous. Even if this makes them seem foolish in public. This is what I think a non violent extremist looks like. 

On the right Marjorie Taylor Greene,on the left AOC. And Trump to a point.