President Biden thread

12 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I didn't say otherwise regarding cognitive function.  

I also didn't say that you were/are a Trump supporter. 

Biden doesn't have supporters in the same way that Trump has supporters. That reality of difference is HUGE and important because the authoritarians are exploiting the absence of unified support in their marketing and messaging. The media will elevate those messages in an attempt to appear "balanced" in the face of a direct threat to this democratic republic. 

Yeah Biden is old and, like Reagan, he is not at his cognitive peak. Fortunately, there is a well thought out transfer of duty should Biden become unable to serve.  Still, Biden was a much much better choice than Trump in 2020.

I know you didn't say I was a Trump supporter. However I see the destain if not hatred  for Trump on these threads and how those who are Trump supporters get replied to. So I thought I would specify. 

I would disagree. I think there is also extreme Biden supporters.  They both bring out the extremist radicals.  It would seem. In my experience anyway. 

30 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I didn't say otherwise regarding cognitive function.  

I also didn't say that you were/are a Trump supporter. 

Biden doesn't have supporters in the same way that Trump has supporters. That reality of difference is HUGE and important because the authoritarians are exploiting the absence of unified support in their marketing and messaging. The media will elevate those messages in an attempt to appear "balanced" in the face of a direct threat to this democratic republic. 

Yeah Biden is old and, like Reagan, he is not at his cognitive peak. Fortunately, there is a well thought out transfer of duty should Biden become unable to serve.  Still, Biden was a much much better choice than Trump in 2020.

Who are the authoritarian? 

Are you saying the media will present false Biden extremist in order to defend from extremist Trump supporters? 

22 minutes ago, Assistedl8ving said:

I know you didn't say I was a Trump supporter. However I see the destain if not hatred  for Trump on these threads and how those who are Trump supporters get replied to. So I thought I would specify. 

I would disagree. I think there is also extreme Biden supporters.  They both bring out the extremist radicals.  It would seem. In my experience anyway. 

Yeah... there's that right wing fixation on hate again.  I wonder though, would it be wrong for an American to hate a narcissistic liar who tried to overthrow our elected government to seize power that he had lost in a free and fair election? Would it be wrong to hate the fellow who thought that lying about a pandemic and requiring states to compete against one another for necessary pandemic supplies was the best presidential approach?

There may be some extreme Biden supporters but that group is 1) not in control of the democratic political party across the country,  2) do not attend massive rallies to cheer lies and exaggeration while wearing Biden's name or glorified image on their bodies or vehicles, and 3) not one has attacked the capitol to benefit Biden or suggested that civil war is the answer to our divisions. 

It's right wing extremism that is the greater threat for violence and terrorism in this country...but sure, both sides. 

25 minutes ago, Assistedl8ving said:

Who are the authoritarian? 

Are you saying the media will present false Biden extremist in order to defend from extremist Trump supporters? 

 

Trump is an authoritarian, leading an authoritarian movement in republican politics.

I'm saying that media elevates right wing extremism in an attempt to appear balanced in their presentation of an issue.  It's what happens when one side says "all of the experts and evidence says that the election was free and fair" and the other side says "lots of people think there were problems" (because they and other powerful and influential people told them to think that). The moderate or realistic conservative message isn't really presented because those folks don't want to go on the record as directly contradicting the party (Trump) messaging.  That means that the extremist pov gets more time and space in the media. The media elevates both type messages as if they are equal when they are not.  Unsophisticated Americans (there are so many) have difficulty discerning the difference.  

53 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Yeah... there's that right wing fixation on hate again.  I wonder though, would it be wrong for an American to hate a narcissistic liar who tried to overthrow our elected government to seize power that he had lost in a free and fair election? Would it be wrong to hate the fellow who thought that lying about a pandemic and requiring states to compete against one another for necessary pandemic supplies was the best presidential approach?

There may be some extreme Biden supporters but that group is 1) not in control of the democratic political party across the country,  2) do not attend massive rallies to cheer lies and exaggeration while wearing Biden's name or glorified image on their bodies or vehicles, and 3) not one has attacked the capitol to benefit Biden or suggested that civil war is the answer to our divisions. 

It's right wing extremism that is the greater threat for violence and terrorism in this country...but sure, both sides. 

Fair enough. Hate is almost always  more harmful to hater than the hated. Pretty sure Trump doesn't care if people hate him.  Each to their own. 

On the other side you could say some extremist  democrats have allowed riots to go on for weeks unchecked. Allowed city blocks to be taken over including police stations and court houses. Not to mention the direct threat from a left extremist on a Justice' life. Or letting rioters put of jail without bail and sifter on crime pocies. 

I see what you are saying with the vulgar displays of admiration that the right extremist do during their rallies and protest. Tasteless indeed. 

I'm sorry. I cannot in good contious place blame on one side more than the other. There is no good bad,just bad or better bad or worse bad. I'm a bad is bad kind of person. 

48 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Trump is an authoritarian, leading an authoritarian movement in republican politics.

I'm saying that media elevates right wing extremism in an attempt to appear balanced in their presentation of an issue.  It's what happens when one side says "all of the experts and evidence says that the election was free and fair" and the other side says "lots of people think there were problems" (because they and other powerful and influential people told them to think that). The moderate or realistic conservative message isn't really presented because those folks don't want to go on the record as directly contradicting the party (Trump) messaging.  That means that the extremist pov gets more time and space in the media. The media elevates both type messages as if they are equal when they are not.  Unsophisticated Americans (there are so many) have difficulty discerning the difference.  

Yes. I agree. The extremist get the attention or media reprensentation more than the regular everyday people. 

I can't say that I've ever experienced  an "extreme Biden supporter." What does that look like? And you can't pin the demonstrations in the Summer of 2020 and the Seattle CHOP zone on Biden; he wasn't in office then and it wasn't in support of his policies. People were reacting to the George Floyd murder, among other things. 

I don't think you'll find many ardent Biden supporters on this forum. Many, if not all of us, have posted that he wasn't our first choice. 

25 minutes ago, Assistedl8ving said:

Fair enough. Hate is almost always  more harmful to hater than the hated. Pretty sure Trump doesn't care if people hate him.  Each to their own. 

On the other side you could say some extremist  democrats have allowed riots to go on for weeks unchecked. Allowed city blocks to be taken over including police stations and court houses. Not to mention the direct threat from a left extremist on a Justice' life. Or letting rioters put of jail without bail and sifter on crime pocies. 

I see what you are saying with the vulgar displays of admiration that the right extremist do during their rallies and protest. Tasteless indeed. 

I'm sorry. I cannot in good contious place blame on one side more than the other. There is no good bad,just bad or better bad or worse bad. I'm a bad is bad kind of person. 

It's odd to me that you can't see any difference between extremism that attacked our democracy and continues to undermine our democratic processes and Americans protesting while anarchists and accelerationists create chaos and violence adjacent to the peaceful protests. Most of the people arrested for the burning and violence were affiliated with right wing causes hoping to make the BLM protests appear dangerous and violent. 

In my view, you can't get much softer on crime than ignoring the crimes involved in attempting to overthrow the results of a free and fair election. What actions have liberals taken that balanced an attempt to overthrow the elected government? 

1 hour ago, nursej22 said:

I can't say that I've ever experienced  an "extreme Biden supporter." What does that look like? And you can't pin the demonstrations in the Summer of 2020 and the Seattle CHOP zone on Biden; he wasn't in office then and it wasn't in support of his policies. People were reacting to the George Floyd murder, among other things. 

I don't think you'll find many ardent Biden supporters on this forum. Many, if not all of us, have posted that he wasn't our first choice. 

I did not say Biden supporters specifically. I believe I said democrats. I'm pretty sure those rioters in Seattle chop voted for Trump. Most probably didn't even vote considering the barriers to voting some communities suffer from. Perhaps a extreme Biden supporter could be the man who had a plan to murder a Justce? I don't know. Is that extreme? 

26 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

It's odd to me that you can't see any difference between extremism that attacked our democracy and continues to undermine our democratic processes and Americans protesting while anarchists and accelerationists create chaos and violence adjacent to the peaceful protests. Most of the people arrested for the burning and violence were affiliated with right wing causes hoping to make the BLM protests appear dangerous and violent. 

In my view, you can't get much softer on crime than ignoring the crimes involved in attempting to overthrow the results of a free and fair election. What actions have liberals taken that balanced an attempt to overthrow the elected government? 

I can see a difference. I saw destruction,death and suffering for most of 2020 and then again on Jan.6. Is Jan.6 less bad because it was 4 hours rather than a good part of the Summer? No, of course not.  Violence is violence no matter the cause or idea. It's childish to make claims one was worse than the other. Violence is violence. Neither is more noble or or reprehensible than the other. I can see a point where as one was protesting a precieved injustice of an election and another protesting a police injustice. Then you would need to look at how many people died. Will that determin which is worse? No. As I said, violence is violence. 

As far as I can see, there is a committee happening to determine to what extent Jan 6 was criminal. Many serious charges have been placed on the rioters.  That doesn't seem to be soft on crime. 

None the less, I'm not wanting to partake in a game of "but but but they did this!"...... 

That's it. Good day. 

34 minutes ago, Assistedl8ving said:

I did not say Biden supporters specifically. I believe I said democrats. I'm pretty sure those rioters in Seattle chop voted for Trump. Most probably didn't even vote considering the barriers to voting some communities suffer from. Perhaps a extreme Biden supporter could be the man who had a plan to murder a Justce? I don't know. Is that extreme? 

You are pretty sure? Based on your feelings? Washington state voters have fewer barriers to vote than many, such as all voting is mail-in. No standing in long lines on voting day, Motor-voter registration,  easy access to check registration status, and lots of drop boxes. 

I did a brief internet search about the man who traveled with weapons to Justice Kavanaugh's street. There is no mention of any political party affiliation. His stated reasons included not only the upcoming decision to overturn Roe, but also possible legislation around firearms. He also surrendered to law enforcement, asking for psychiatric help. So which part of that identifies his as an extreme Biden supporter? Or is it because he was from California? Or he lived for a time in Seattle? 

34 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

You are pretty sure? Based on your feelings? Washington state voters have fewer barriers to vote than many, such as all voting is mail-in. No standing in long lines on voting day, Motor-voter registration,  easy access to check registration status, and lots of drop boxes. 

I did a brief internet search about the man who traveled with weapons to Justice Kavanaugh's street. There is no mention of any political party affiliation. His stated reasons included not only the upcoming decision to overturn Roe, but also possible legislation around firearms. He also surrendered to law enforcement, asking for psychiatric help. So which part of that identifies his as an extreme Biden supporter? Or is it because he was from California? Or he lived for a time in Seattle? 

I'm not sure if I said I feel anything really. I'm confused that you would say that and even more confused about why you feel it necessary to be rude? 

I made an assumption. I think it is very unlikely he was the stereotypical MAGA Trump supporter who planed to kill a Justice that overturned Roe. He may not be  a Biden supporter but based on the balance of probabilities,  he would most likely is not be a Trump supporter.  

It doesn't really matter because what he did was not acceptable, regardless of his political affiliation. I only made mention to give a example of a Biden extremist. Perhaps he is mentally ill but he wasn't born a extremist so something made him that way. (With mental health influence). So perhaps we should look at what type of information he was consuming? 

Again, I'm not interested in a rude back and forth argument. Violence and extremism is a problem and not asigned to a specific group. It's the one true thing we all have in common, sadly and ironically.  This is what my point was, I wasn't looking for a battle of which side has the bigger doo doo heads LOL