President Biden thread

35 minutes ago, chare said:

No.  The "alternative" is to independently review the candidates, and suppoort the one that best aligns with your values, beliefs, and ideology; regardless of which party they represent.

But, that's too much work for many, on both sides, and they will continue to vote based on party alone.

I might do that for some local elections, but really the national platform of the parties are loud and clear and it's not really difficult for me, and I can only speak for myself, who to vote for in bigger races like governor, the Senate and President.   They make their stances loud and clear without me having to "independently review the candidates" with much effort. 

17 minutes ago, Beerman said:

That's some heavy deflecting by  and the poster you were replying to.

That's a change from denying that our President is cognitively declining.

Progress! 

Good spin.   LOL

But we all conveniently are avoiding that aspect of your post aren't we? 

39 minutes ago, chare said:

No.  The "alternative" is to independently review the candidates, and suppoort the one that best aligns with your values, beliefs, and ideology; regardless of which party they represent.

But, that's too much work for many, on both sides, and they will continue to vote based on party alone.

We have to vote for the drek that the parties give us.  The process is so  polluted with money now that it's impossible to put candidates through the wringer without them becoming beholden to American oligarchs.  If a decent Republican like Ben Sasse even wanted the job, his own party wouldn't  support him.  I don't see anyone attractive that the Democrats have in training wheels either.  So we are left with candidates who have been beaten to submission by the biggest donators and will be beholden to them for the next 4 years.  No, we taxpayers deserve a better pool of candidates to vote for. None of these people conform to my values which are not ideological ....as much as I can prevent that.  The industry that we have allowed to proliferate around these candidates is staggering and is part of that material used to make the handbaskets going to hell:)  People used to cross parties more than they do now before the parties became so polarized.  

21 minutes ago, Tweety said:

I might do that for some local elections, but really the national platform of the parties are loud and clear and it's not really difficult for me, and I can only speak for myself, who to vote for in bigger races like governor, the Senate and President.   They make their stances loud and clear without me having to "independently review the candidates" with much effort. 

 

Good spin.   LOL

But we all conveniently are avoiding that aspect of your post aren't we? 

Biden is declining less than Trump.  He stumbles but does break out into word salad episodes.  Besides, I don't know any Democrat that thought he was a great candidate .  He was the less corrupt and incompetent. 

1 hour ago, chare said:

No.  The "alternative" is to independently review the candidates, and suppoort the one that best aligns with your values, beliefs, and ideology; regardless of which party they represent.

But, that's too much work for many, on both sides, and they will continue to vote based on party alone.

That's what I'm talking about.  The ideology of the current republican party makes excuses for a violent attack on the capitol in an attempt to steal an election, makes excuses for the corrupt behavior of the previous president, based much of its social agenda in lies, misinformation and outright propaganda. That party currently represents values which include some of the central beliefs of white supremacy and white nationalist extremists while valuing the "right" to own an assault rifle over the right to life... unless the life is a fetus,  then it's a priority. 

Because right now,  that dangerous political party known as Republicans or the GOP doesn't enjoy many members who will vote across party lines... just ask Liz Cheney. 

42 minutes ago, subee said:

Biden is declining less than Trump.  He stumbles but does break out into word salad episodes.  Besides, I don't know any Democrat that thought he was a great candidate .  He was the less corrupt and incompetent. 

True, but moot point to me.  Trump lost and Biden is President and we're talking about Biden.  Biden either lied, misspoke, or is confused cognitively about what he said.

But you can deflect to Trump is you'd like to.  It's the old standby here.

14 hours ago, chare said:

No.  The "alternative" is to independently review the candidates, and suppoort the one that best aligns with your values, beliefs, and ideology; regardless of which party they represent.

But, that's too much work for many, on both sides, and they will continue to vote based on party alone.

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/24/1099591174/election-results-midterms-trump-biden-fraud-poll-workers-michigan-denial

There is a pretty clear indication that republican political ideology at the state and local level is corrupt and dangerous to our republic, this unveiled GOP agenda in Michigan is more evidence.  

How does this ...

14 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

That's what I'm talking about.  The ideology of the current republican party makes excuses for a violent attack on the capitol in an attempt to steal an election, makes excuses for the corrupt behavior of the previous president, based much of its social agenda in lies, misinformation and outright propaganda. That party currently represents values which include some of the central beliefs of white supremacy and white nationalist extremists while valuing the "right" to own an assault rifle over the right to life... unless the life is a fetus,  then it's a priority. 

Because right now,  that dangerous political party known as Republicans or the GOP doesn't enjoy many members who will vote across party lines... just ask Liz Cheney. 

... or this ...

52 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

[...]

There is a pretty clear indication that republican political ideology at the state and local level is corrupt and dangerous to our republic, this unveiled GOP agenda in Michigan is more evidence.  

... have any bearing on my post?  Other than an opportunity to once again demonize Repiblicans.

30 minutes ago, chare said:

How does this ...

... or this ...

... have any bearing on my post?  Other than an opportunity to once again demonize Repiblicans.

I'm discussing the dangerous politics of Republicans from local to national offices.  They don't campaign openly on legalizing the mechanisms to steal an election, but that is what the party is doing across the country at every level where the extremists have been elevated. My point is that republicans are dangerous to our republic at this moment in time and it is difficult to tell some of the corrupt liars from the well intentioned conservatives simply from their campaigns. It is dangerous to gamble that the freshly elected [insert position] won't join the flow especially if pressured to do so. At minimum they are quiet...

2 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I'm discussing the dangerous politics of Republicans from local to national offices. ...

None of which had any bearing on my post, which you quoted twice.

On 5/29/2022 at 8:51 PM, Tweety said:

She's earned her fortune fair and square and ethically, and obviously is quite intelligent.   But would she have got on the best sellers list without her father's name?  Probably not.   My best friend is a published PhD and is by no means rich. 

But it has been like that forever...it's not always what you know, but who you know.