President Biden thread

39 minutes ago, Cclm said:

 

Again, your post is confusing with that formatting. Your analogies are weird.

The thread is about Biden. 

5 hours ago, Curious1997 said:

Actually I responded to the anger response because I thought I asked Cclm the question because he always seems frustrated and angry. 

Like I said, I frequently just read the post without knowing who wrote it so as to be objective if I had to respond. I have occasionally liked some of Beerman's responses, very few but some. 

Apologies again. 

No apologies necessary.  I butted in, but it's a public forum so I feel justified in that.  ?

Jesus, even I am feeling embarrassed for the republicans re Arizona. 

How come they don't? 

I'm beginning to think that grifters are far worse criminals than I originally thought. I mean you are exposed nationwide and even internationally, and you still continue with the crimes! Now it's Texas and Pennsylvania? 

Just what kind of reputation are you seeking and are the people who support you, worse than you are? They surely know by now that they are being conned and if they don't, isn't that grounds for locking them up? 

What about the politicians? I would go Donald trump on the lot. Off to Guantanamo! I have little patience for career criminals! 

17 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

You said what you said. Now you are trying to explain what you meant by that comparison. Maybe you should be more careful with your rhetoric and Nazi references. 

 

I comment in response to your comments and words.  Your skin color is irrelevant to these threads, in large part...I'm certainly not the one bringing it up. 

 

I wonder if you think that these threads aren't adequately moderated? 

When members use the language and tactics of propagandists or extremists in religion or politics, that stuff is going to get called out and some of us will be more direct than others. There are a bunch of people who apparently fill the majority of their media consumption with very biased and not terribly accurate sources. They toss about language about MSM and hate. If you fall into that, we'll likely have dialog.

See? Hate...why is that the emotion that you are feeling and projecting onto me?

Yes. Skin color is irrelevant!! Good 

I do not hate anyone. Maybe you should be more carefully with who you call a white supremacists and a Nazi. You have done it multiple times. To several people in a effort to shut them up. Well I'm not put off so easily. Do you think it's a little insulting to family of the holocaust survivors when you use Nazi and white supremacists so frivolously(anyone who doesn't agree)?  Down right dusrespectful to people who have endured real Nazi hate!! 

Yes.people fall into your self confessed bad media, "Trumpers" white supremacists and all dialog and opinions that don't match yours is propaganda.  Got it. Keep on being a tolerant inclusive democrat while partaking in behaviors and rhetoric that you would say is nazi and propaganda to anyone else that doesn't agree with you. 

2 hours ago, Cclm said:

Got it. Keep on being a tolerant inclusive democrat while partaking in behaviors and rhetoric that you would say is nazi and propaganda to anyone else that doesn't agree with you. 

This seems to be a theme for your comments...

Lots of people are unable to discern propaganda from other media and information.  

propaganda has replaced political communication.

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But the Big Lie that led to the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection was merely part of an even bigger lie.

Since the 1990s and the emergence of the manufacture of dissent, right-wing propaganda’s major premise has been that “politics is war and the enemy cheats.” Every news story from that perspective is an elaboration on that theme, including those about the 2020 election.

When politics is seen as war and the enemy can’t be trusted, then every election is seen as dire and the electoral process that denies your side victory is seen as unfair. According to a recent Monmouth University poll, 30% of Americans still believe Trump’s Big Lie.

On 9/25/2021 at 10:35 AM, toomuchbaloney said:

This seems to be a theme for your comments...

Lots of people are unable to discern propaganda from other media and information.  

propaganda has replaced political communication.

 

How do you discern between media and propaganda? 

27 minutes ago, Cclm said:

How do you discern between media and propaganda? 

To me it sometimes is a fine line.  Media to me simply just reports the stories as they are happening, what the people are saying and what people are saying about what they are saying.  I think this is a good deal of media.

To me propaganda has a specific agenda and while I might check them out for what they are saying, I don't rely on them for an unbiased report.  Sites like Daily Kos, Alternet, Fox News, or Breibart News for example.  

For example, Breibart news is reporting that telling people to get vaccinated is a leftist plot against Trump voters.  That is propaganda and not true media.  But people actually do believe this.

But it does get a bit hard to decipher.

1 hour ago, Cclm said:

How do you discern between media and propaganda? 

Good question.  This has been discussed, at least quietly in academic circles, since WW2.

Lies and Propaganda: How to Sort Fact from Fiction

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A step beyond bias, propaganda actively seeks to influence through the use of deception. Scholarship (and objective news reporting) is created with virtuous ideals for truth. There is a difference between presenting a point of view and deliberately using psychological techniques to shape opinion.

Ask yourself why "fake news" has current political meaning in the USA?

1 hour ago, Cclm said:

How do you discern between media and propaganda? 

Very easy! 

Education! 

If you educate yourself to the point of easily being able to tell through vocabulary, context, relevance, and knowledge of the subject matter enough to know when premises are silly. Also, reading from the right sources. 

Smelly, stagnant, dirty water..... probably poisonous. 

Clear, running, sweet smelling water..... probably good! 

Anything originating from a trump affiliated source..... Poisonous! 

2 hours ago, Curious1997 said:

Very easy! 

Education! 

If you educate yourself to the point of easily being able to tell through vocabulary, context, relevance, and knowledge of the subject matter enough to know when premises are silly. Also, reading from the right sources. 

Smelly, stagnant, dirty water..... probably poisonous. 

Clear, running, sweet smelling water..... probably good! 

Anything originating from a trump affiliated source..... Poisonous! 

Right........