President Biden thread

32 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Fox News today has 12 stories about Cuomo.  That seems high on the news agenda there.  That along with the "out of control" situation at the border.

However, there is plenty of conservative policy.  Some successful ones were the tax cuts, cutting regulations, and immigration chaos.  Now for some reason they've adding spending and worry about the deficit to the agenda. So now they are in the minority their policy is protect what they've accomplished and convince Americans liberals are hell bent on destruction and "canceling" the American way of life.  

Not unlike what Democrats claimed when they were minority.  

This doesn't bother me as much as it's rhetoric.  What bothers me more is false narrative and conspiracy.  It bothers me that politicians like Trump weren't held accountable for lying to the public.  It now seems standard method of operation.  Our Governor in his bid for re-election texted the lie to donors that Biden was planning on closing the Florida border.  People that believe news is fake sure are gullible when it comes to politicians.

That conservative policy...that's the political agenda and goals noted in the platform of the conservative political party, right? What did that part platform say in 2020, wasn't it something along the lines of "no new goals since 2016, just whatever Trump says"? Historically conservatives roll out policy discussion at CPAC don't they? How'd that go this year? 

This is nothing like previous politics in the USA, IMV. The GOP is currently completely corrupt, dishonest and dangerous...elevating and supporting an authoritarian despot who has already incited one violent attack over a lie. The GOP is deeply into punishment of all elected republicans who are not publicly supportive of Trump.  

It's entirely different from Democrats or any other sane political party.  What is going on with republicans right now is toxic...it will likely kill them but it could kill the country too. 

11 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

That conservative policy...that's the political agenda and goals noted in the platform of the conservative political party, right? What did that part platform say in 2020, wasn't it something along the lines of "no new goals since 2016, just whatever Trump says"? Historically conservatives roll out policy discussion at CPAC don't they? How'd that go this year? 

 

I wouldn't know what policy they discussed as I didn't pay much attention.  CPAC really is more about a pep rally than an agenda for the Republican Party.  

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As conservatives look for a message to rally around ahead of the midterm elections in 2022, the CPAC agenda previews the uphill battle awaiting them. The agenda includes panels on the debt, abortion, education, Big Tech and “cancel culture.” But with so many segments anchored in the 2020 election, the conference appears to be less about mapping the party’s future than relitigating its past.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/25/us/politics/cpac-guide-speakers-schedule.html

However, the political agenda of Trump and the political agenda of conservatives such as those in CPAC, and senators like McConnel aligned pretty well as I pointed out - tax cuts, cuts in regulations, anti-immigrant etc.  So much so that they were willing to suck up to him and ignore his lies, forgive his adultery, etc.

I think so far as McConnel and Graham were getting their way, they let Trump say what he wanted to say.  The Republican Agenda was alive and well.

Republicans have no choice but to be anti Democrats and Liberals. Otherwise they are in agreement and where would that leave them? 

They can't admit that the Dems have been right all along re Trump because then their entire agenda falls apart. They would have to begin admitting that the virus didn't end with sunshine or there really is a problem and over 500 k people have died and then just like dominoes, everything falls apart. Climate change, fox News, antifa, election stolen etc etc. 

The best eg of this is despite Pence almost being killed and still coming out in support of Trump. They have backed themselves into a corner and like most insecure, ignorant people can't even admit that they made a mistake because their identity is wrapped in the delusion that they are strong for not admitting their mistakes. 

To stay relevant they have to keep their people ignorant because if at any time they learn the truth, they will peel away and republicans without gerrymandering and voter suppression cannot afford to lose any votes. 

6 hours ago, Tweety said:

I wouldn't know what policy they discussed as I didn't pay much attention.  CPAC really is more about a pep rally than an agenda for the Republican Party.  

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/25/us/politics/cpac-guide-speakers-schedule.html

However, the political agenda of Trump and the political agenda of conservatives such as those in CPAC, and senators like McConnel aligned pretty well as I pointed out - tax cuts, cuts in regulations, anti-immigrant etc.  So much so that they were willing to suck up to him and ignore his lies, forgive his adultery, etc.

I think so far as McConnel and Graham were getting their way, they let Trump say what he wanted to say.  The Republican Agenda was alive and well.

 

I get what you are saying, but even traditional conservatives recognize that the Trump led GOP has no forward looking policy...Karl Rove for instance. 

Trump's Appeal Rings Hollow -Rove

Trump ‘dismantled’ US immigration system ‘in entirety’ claims top Biden official

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Donald Trump “dismantled” the immigration system of the United States “in entirety” a top Biden administration official has claimed.

The president’s Secretary of Homeland Security said that the White House had to “rebuild out of the depths of cruelty” overseen by Mr Trump’s administration.

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“Quite frankly the entire system was gutted,” said Alejandro Mayorkas at a White House press briefing.

“We are dedicated to achieving, and are working around the clock, to replace the cruelty of the past administration with an orderly, humane and safe immigration process.

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“Quite frankly the entire system was gutted,” said Alejandro Mayorkas at a White House press briefing.

“We are dedicated to achieving, and are working around the clock, to replace the cruelty of the past administration with an orderly, humane and safe immigration process.

It can't be easy to follow a completely corrupt, incompetent AND cruel administration that didn't really participate in a transition of power.

20 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Maybe they should have implemented the "orderly, humane and safe immigration process" before reversing all of the past administration's policies, in which the "come to the usa" message was received.

Of course, the truth is that this is all going according to design.  Overwhelming the system, therefore creating a open border scenario, is the real objective. 

 

LOL

They've reversed all of Trump's cruel policy already? You didn't read the article or listen to the remarks before offering your opinion, did you?

1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I get what you are saying, but even traditional conservatives recognize that the Trump led GOP had no forward looking policy...Karl Rove for instance. 

Trump's Appeal Rings Hollow -Rove

 

any intelligent person saw through Trump, they just used him to their advantage.  McConnell is no fool.  

Now the public that worships him, I can't speak to that nonsense.  LOL

37 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Maybe they should have implemented the "orderly, humane and safe immigration process" before reversing all of the past administration's policies, in which the "come to the usa" message was received.

Of course, the truth is that this is all going according to design.  Overwhelming the system, therefore creating a open border scenario, is the real objective. 

 

Supporting a path to citizenship for existing immigrants and humane treatment does not equate to wanting an open door policy.  That's just rhetoric and surprised you are falling for it.

That said many of the people heading for the border are doing so because Biden was elected and the caravan is large.  Guatemala is cracking down on them.

Bidens stance was against them coming but of course conservatives will think that a lie to really implement his open door policy.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/incoming-biden-administration-migrant-caravan-don-t-come-you-won-n1254550

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/27/us/politics/fast-check-donald-trump-democrats-open-borders.html

There was a caravan in 2018 during Trump's administration and pretty much all administrations have had to deal with some sort of caravan and/or immigration issue.  With the Trump administration it was hard to decipher fact from his lies.

1 hour ago, Beerman said:

It is out of control,  and by design.  Biden has invited the masses.

https://www.axios.com/border-immigration-democrat-cuellar-biden-febc20c6-0db9-4648-8e12-79ff21d83646.html

https://www.axios.com/biden-immigration-humanitarian-crisis-border-1948f056-15a1-4a63-bf4d-1f3f7e846b69.html

https://www.axios.com/biden-immigration-child-migrant-border-aeaf0231-02d3-4c96-b139-68069c0c1189.html?utm_campaign=organic&utm_medium=socialshare&utm_source=Twitter

 

The headline says 20,000 beds are being set up, but the actual story says 2,000 beds.  Immigration is as vexing to us as the Arab-Israeli conflicts in their part of the world.  So you listed your greivances; do you have any solutions?  In my part of the country we actually NEED labor.  Housing costs are out of sight because we have to import construction workers from ...I don't know where they come from but they all need places to stay for the job when they get here.  Please tell us how YOU would handle unaccompanied minors coming to this country.  I would have liked Ivanka to have her shoes made in Guatemala instead of China but she didn't seem to care that we have available labor right here in our hemisphere.  How about the giant solar power construction a scientist suggested along the American-Mexican border providing jobs in Mexico?  I can't wait to hear some ideas from you.

34 minutes ago, subee said:

Immigration is as vexing to us as the Arab-Israeli conflicts in their part of the world.

This.  It is convenient that people say this caravan is by design of Biden when Trump, Obama and all the presidents past back to the Mariel boatlift of 1980 have had their major issues with it.  

It was front and center as the most important issue of the 2016 campaign and now it's again front and center as the most important issue (after Cuomo).  It's annoying.