The use of such rhetoric, opponents of the new laws argue, underscores a nationwide push by conservatives to make education a political wedge issue by equating certain teaching materials and educators with Mediaography and even pedophilia. This latest trend is another volley in the country’s ongoing culture wars, during which conservative lawmakers also have opposed the teaching of “critical race theory” and proposed bills requiring schools to post all course materials online so parents can review them.
I think this is just another example of conservative Americans getting agitated by right wing rhetoric and propaganda.
Here's a video compilation and represention of how emotional and aggressive these agitated people are.
Here is a list of books under fire from conservatives. Does anyone know of any other compilation of those titles?
I think that it is partially media and mostly because they are parents. Parents have a natural instinct to protect their baby's.
Allot of parents discovered how subjects are taught and how during covid and remote learning on-line. Somethings parents may want to teach their children themselves certain subjects.
I do see that there is a program in place in which parents can restrict what their children check out from the school library. That seems reasonable to me.
It doesn't address the issue of why would and should there be books with graphic sexual and or violent content in schools.
I do not recall any controversial books during my school years. I'm sure there were a few but nothing that sticks out.
Show me a single instance of Mediaography in a school library. You have a lot of words in this thread but not one instance of evidence. Again, the books if the Old Testament are filled with sex and violence and a famous prostitute who saved the Hebrews. Ban that. This is a problem created by Tucker Carlson. It is not based I. reality. Of course, you could prove me wrong if you could come up with some evidence.
Show me a single instance of Mediaography in a school library. You have a lot of words in this thread but not one instance of evidence. Again, the books if the Old Testament are filled with sex and violence and a famous prostitute who saved the Hebrews. Ban that. This is a problem created by Tucker Carlson. It is not based I. reality. Of course, you could prove me wrong if you could come up with some evidence.
I think there have been instances of books that have sex scenes in them and they call this Mediaography. When I was in high school I read plenty of books that had sex in them as part of the greater story, and I do now. TV shows that teens and kids watch have sex scenes in them. But certainly this isn't Mediaography. It's fear mongering that libraries want to permit Mediaography. If parents have an issue with sex scenes in books being too adult for their children then so be it but call it what it is. Even at that I don't think it's a widespread phenomenon.
Yes it would be entertaining to see people from various backgrounds with different belief systems being civil and trying to come to a consensus. That’s whats wrong with the world now not enough good examples of sound moral characters.
What do you mean how many meetings would happen? As many as need be until people learn how to work together to reach a common ground. And that’s what we should be teaching children.
Oh please. It’s not about what media presents to us regarding this post. It’s about that meeting, that video we watched, those angry parents and their rude behavior. Let’s stick with what I meant with my response. I can, can you?
You know what? I've been to several meetings with parents if various different cultures, ethnicities, religious and political beliefs. At times it became heated but everyone took an honest attempt to listen to eachother. Actually listen with a collaboration as the goal. Not to see who is the worst. Or impose their will disguised as "debate" like on this thread.
There was no homophobia nor was there any accusations of such because a book in question had explicit content. There were no ridiculous accusations of "banning books" or "erasing history" either! Or grooming or accusations of d9mestic terrorism.
16 hours ago, Tweety said:
I have no hysterical fears and there does come a time to end a discussion when all has been said. Like I've said I considered what you've communicated.
Show me a single instance of Mediaography in a school library. You have a lot of words in this thread but not one instance of evidence. Again, the books if the Old Testament are filled with sex and violence and a famous prostitute who saved the Hebrews. Ban that. This is a problem created by Tucker Carlson. It is not based I. reality. Of course, you could prove me wrong if you could come up with some evidence.
Did you really just blame Tucker Carlson? LOL. I cantv5ake you seriously after that comment. Besides, it's Trump's fault duh.
Hahaha... you were trying to be funny with that hyperbole, right? This thread is about recent incidents at school board meetings. Those aggressive and angry people were conservative, not liberal.
Were there liberal parents protesting about books at school meetings somewhere?
Of course the media reports on bad behavior...derp... are we supposed to ignore aggressive behavior of conservatives until it's balanced by a liberal?
I'm not sure, I have a hard time ignoring abhorrent behavior. Your post demonstrate a ability to ignore many things, perhaps you can teach me how to ignore anything that doesn't demoralize conservatives and anything negative democrats do?
What exactly about how it is being taught bothers you? Just curious
If you’ve noticed what most of the print/media is trying to tell you, and what most of the posters on here are posting about is the deliberate banning of books written about the effects, experience, and continuation of racism in the US. Why are you trying to erase an entire people’s history.
Banning books is different than not wanting certain types of book being readily available to children.
Banning books from the school library isn't the same as the banning/book burning in history. I think you know this but choose to use such terminology purposely to inflate the parents requests and to associate them with that terrible act in history.
Are you serous? I'm trying to "erase an entire people's history"? You can't be serious with that comment.
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7 minutes ago, Weetywill said:
I'm not sure, I have a hard time ignoring abhorrent behavior. Your post demonstrate a ability to ignore many things, perhaps you can teach me how to ignore anything that doesn't demoralize conservatives and anything negative democrats do?
Tell me what I've ignored... be specific, maybe you could provide video of angry liberals at school board meetings. Is there some reason that you complain about abhorrent liberal behavior yet you've failed to provide examples? Is this like complaining about how a subject is taught without providing specific examples of the unacceptable teaching? Maybe it's like believing that elections are troubled and fraught with fraud in the abandoned of evidence to that effect.
Provide some examples and we can have a discussion because I'm not going to play the "conservatives are victims" game.
Tell me what I've ignored... be specific, maybe you could provide video of angry liberals at school board meetings. Is there some reason that you complain about abhorrent liberal behavior yet you've failed to provide examples? Is this like complaining about how a subject is taught without providing specific examples of the unacceptable teaching? Maybe it's like believing that elections are troubled and fraught with fraud in the abandoned of evidence to that effect.
Provide some examples and we can have a discussion because I'm not going to play the "conservatives are victims" game.
Maybe I don't provide examples because that's not the topic of the thread? Or because I do not find playing "who's worse" effective way to have a discussion? As I said, make another thread dedicated to "conservatives behaving badly". Maybe someone can start another thread, "democrats behaving badly" and you can provide your own examples of how effective you are at ignoring behavior based on political affiliation? I thing reading through this site already provides ample examples of this.
I'm not interested in repeating media accounts of democrats or conservatives behaving badly because it is all bias and context is usually left put. The Deerborn video being an example of that.
You seem to think that I feel like I am a victim, or conservatives are victims? Did I ever say I was? Or mad or upset about anything? Provide some examples of that if I did. Or did you assume that because you assume things about people without actually knowing anything? Or on what you believe to be their political affiliation? Like conservatives are "victims" or their "choice of media" and all the propaganda that would suggest its only right wing media is guilty of? This you like to spam the site with?
I would love to have a discussion, however you can't have a discussion with anyone unless they are willingly able to listen to topics and ideas that are different than their own and look beyond political affiliation and other identity markers.
Banning books is different than not wanting certain types of book being readily available to children.
Banning books from the school library isn't the same as the banning/book burning in history. I think you know this but choose to use such terminology purposely to inflate the parents requests and to associate them with that terrible act in history.
Are you serous? I'm trying to "erase an entire people's history"? You can't be serious with that comment.
I was not referring specifically to “you WW” when I made the comment about the banning of books.
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8 hours ago, Weetywill said:
Maybe I don't provide examples because that's not the topic of the thread? Or because I do not find playing "who's worse" effective way to have a discussion? As I said, make another thread dedicated to "conservatives behaving badly". Maybe someone can start another thread, "democrats behaving badly" and you can provide your own examples of how effective you are at ignoring behavior based on political affiliation? I thing reading through this site already provides ample examples of this.
I'm not interested in repeating media accounts of democrats or conservatives behaving badly because it is all bias and context is usually left put. The Deerborn video being an example of that.
You seem to think that I feel like I am a victim, or conservatives are victims? Did I ever say I was? Or mad or upset about anything? Provide some examples of that if I did. Or did you assume that because you assume things about people without actually knowing anything? Or on what you believe to be their political affiliation? Like conservatives are "victims" or their "choice of media" and all the propaganda that would suggest its only right wing media is guilty of? This you like to spam the site with?
I would love to have a discussion, however you can't have a discussion with anyone unless they are willingly able to listen to topics and ideas that are different than their own and look beyond political affiliation and other identity markers.
Ypu can't have a discussion unless you are going to bring something to the discussion besides your fears and thoughts and beliefs. Having an earnest discussion also involves facts and evidence but you don't seem to have any.
No, there is not a liberal balance to the conservative anger, animus and agitation about books in schools... you are imagining that there is a liberal contigent of anger that matches that of conservatives.
Nope...not going to start yet another thread so that you can express your fact free feelings and beliefs and pretend like you don't know what evidence is. Instead you can present some evidence to support your "both sides" claims right here in this thread since you've accused me of ignoring the evidence that you have carefully avoided providing.
Yeah...Trump tells conservatives attending his rallies that he and they are all victims. Do you ignore what Trump says? If you really want to have a discussion bring facts to the table rather than BS accusations and whining about perceived insults.
I don't feel the need to go tit for tat on who protests the loudest. You can see at Trump rallies, town hall meetings, and Tea Party protests of the past that conservatives can get loud and even aggressive. Liberals have a long-standing history of being the same.
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Brian Stone, a member of the LGBTQ community who attended the meeting in support of LGBTQ books, had to be escorted to his car by police after angering several protesters.
School board meetings usually are peaceful but sometimes they can get heated.
I get bothered by violence, but protest sometimes involves getting loud and even arrested.
A gay man burned a Bible at a pastor's book burning in Tennessee earlier this year.
ACT-UP in the 80's is a good example of making noise and they were effective at getting people's attention to the plight of lack of care and concern for persons with AIDS that were dying. It's just how it's done sometimes and liberals and conservatives alike can be ugly about it.
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32 minutes ago, Tweety said:
I don't feel the need to go tit for tat on who protests the loudest. You can see at Trump rallies, town hall meetings, and Tea Party protests of the past that conservatives can get loud and even aggressive. Liberals have a long-standing history of being the same.
School board meetings usually are peaceful but sometimes they can get heated.
I get bothered by violence, but protest sometimes involves getting loud and even arrested.
A gay man burned a Bible at a pastor's book burning in Tennessee earlier this year.
ACT-UP in the 80's is a good example of making noise and they were effective at getting people's attention to the plight of lack of care and concern for persons with AIDS that were dying. It's just how it's done sometimes and liberals and conservatives alike can be ugly about it.
Thanks for helping WW out. He seems to want to make claims and accusations without offering any actual evidence or facts. He has yet to provide one example of that which he accused me of ignoring.
The reality is that there aren't liberal parents or community members loudly protesting at school board meetings to have literature removed from schools, regardless of how WW feels about it. He seems to want to conflate any loud protest with the nonsense forwarded by angry conservatives at school board meetings... some protests are founded in ugly facts while others are just founded in agitated animus. For instance...millions loudly protested a policing system that slowly murdered an unarmed black man, on the street in the full view of onlookers... ugly facts. The next January thousands loudly protested beliefs based upon a lie about election fraud and attacked our Capitolin an attempt to stop the transfer of power. Now we're talking about similarly agitated conservatives at school board meetings also loudly animated by lies and/or misrepresentations... this time about books.
WW ought to be able to back up his claims that I'm ignoring something by providing evidence of that something that he insists that I'm ignoring. Where are the loud and angry liberals demanding something from school board members? I suggest that WW is making a false equivalence.
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Show me a single instance of Mediaography in a school library. You have a lot of words in this thread but not one instance of evidence. Again, the books if the Old Testament are filled with sex and violence and a famous prostitute who saved the Hebrews. Ban that. This is a problem created by Tucker Carlson. It is not based I. reality. Of course, you could prove me wrong if you could come up with some evidence.