The use of such rhetoric, opponents of the new laws argue, underscores a nationwide push by conservatives to make education a political wedge issue by equating certain teaching materials and educators with Mediaography and even pedophilia. This latest trend is another volley in the country’s ongoing culture wars, during which conservative lawmakers also have opposed the teaching of “critical race theory” and proposed bills requiring schools to post all course materials online so parents can review them.
I think this is just another example of conservative Americans getting agitated by right wing rhetoric and propaganda.
Here's a video compilation and represention of how emotional and aggressive these agitated people are.
Here is a list of books under fire from conservatives. Does anyone know of any other compilation of those titles?
I thought this thread was about Mediaography in schools?
I was replying to your post with references to race and CRT above. This was in your post:
"Most of the books relate to race or gender equality, at a time when some Republicans are mounting an effort to prevent teaching on race in schools by launching a loud campaign against critical race theory, an academic discipline that examines the ways in which racism operates in US laws and society."
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1 hour ago, Weetywill said:
Perhaps parents and some Repinlicans do not agree with teaching race etc in a way that has several similarities of CRT, a class in university law school and is a theory. It is in university because it requires a developmental mind set to see it for what it is and process it correctly. Children's minds are not developed enough for that. Children usually do not associate with eachother in the confines of race or gender. Presenting CRT type ideas to children can cause issues of inferiority, shame and animosity if not delivered correctly.
This is in no way saying that we do not teach children the history of racism etc. I think the primary issue is how it is being taught. Also I know that the actual CRT course is not being delivered in schools, as it is in law schools. However as in another post I was informed, in so many words,you don't have to check all the boxes of fascism to have fascist like ideas and values. (Paraphrased).
Also, if parents object to the way in which the schools are delivering race education, then they can vote on the school committee and for the side in which their values align or in our regular elections. If the people do not agree with the conservatives running this topic in their campaigns, then they can vote them out. However if the majority of the people do agree, they can vote them in. The people decide through their votes. Democracy!
CRT and the adjacent conservative parent concern is very much like the conservative parent concern over books... it is inflated by right wing grievance and misinformation driven media. CRT isn't taught in public elementary, middle or high schools and teachers aren't trying to turn students gay with book choices.
Comparing CRT to fascism is a real stretch. What in the heck are you trying to say? What sort of CRT "boxes" are you imagining getting checked in public school lessons on slavery or lynching or Jim Crow? Can you be specific or is this just a general sense of unease work no actual real world examples?
Yes. Conservatives parents have always had the right to vote and petition and try to build agreement. Why do you think that they are trying to shout down opposing opinions and behave in such aggressive and angry ways? Are they radicalized in their beliefs?
I agree partially with what you say. Except people with PhD are not free of personal bias. It's really easy to get several like minded highly educated professionals who may have simular ideologies or political leanings. This is where the parents and community come in. It has to be a collaborative approach.
Yes we agree that Mediaographly should not be in schools, but not everyone agrees to what Mediaography is. And there is a dual standard between "straight" Mediaography and LGBTQ Mediaography.
Another consideration that I have encountered is when a LGBTQ book with graphic sexual acts is is question, the conversation always ends up about homophobia/transphobia etc. Instead of the content of the book. School officials feel obligated to immediately defend such books (for fear of not being inclusive) and parents are immediately accused of being discrimatory. "Groomer' vs "homophobe".
Then comes is on the hysterics of "homophobia" and "grooming".
Schools need to be a politically neutral place where children can learn and not have to deal with political issues at school from their parents or school officials.
There is nothing I agree with in the above post, but I want to acknowledge that I've read it and thought about it and nothing more to contribute to what I've already pointed out.
There is nothing I agree with in the above post, but I want to acknowledge that I've read it and thought about it and nothing more to contribute to what I've already pointed out.
CRT and the adjacent conservative parent concern is very much like the conservative parent concern over books... it is inflated by right wing grievance and misinformation driven media. CRT isn't taught in public elementary, middle or high schools and teachers aren't trying to turn students gay with book choices.
Comparing CRT to fascism is a real stretch. What in the heck are you trying to say? What sort of CRT "boxes" are you imagining getting checked in public school lessons on slavery or lynching or Jim Crow? Can you be specific or is this just a general sense of unease work no actual real world examples?
Yes. Conservatives parents have always had the right to vote and petition and try to build agreement. Why do you think that they are trying to shout down opposing opinions and behave in such aggressive and angry ways? Are they radicalized in their beliefs?
Okay I get it. You think conservative parents are evil radicalized zealots victims of right wing rhetoric that is bestowed on them through any conservative media and have no interest in discussing the topic. Just alluding to the parents behaving badly. Perhaps you should start a new thread about your emotions and are offended by these parents and conservatives in general?
Do you consider all the media you take in tends to highlight the bad behavior and report it the most?
How many of these meeting happen where the parents do not behave badly? Have you been to these meetings? I have and although it became heated at times, there was not bad behavior from the parents or the committee. Most people behave respectfully but the media doesn't report that.
There is allot of mention of media influencing the parents behavior.
Do you think that it would be entertaining for media to show videos in which parents with the same concerns who behave appropriately? How many meeting happen where there is no insufferable behavior? In comparison to inappropriate behavior? I think some believe these parents have been frenzied up due to their media choices. Is it not feasible to consider that other media is doing the same in regards to parents behavior?
I think we all need to be aware of what media presents to us and what is not presented to us.
It's easy to cherry pick a video and show only that part if the situation.
Yes it would be entertaining to see people from various backgrounds with different belief systems being civil and trying to come to a consensus. That’s whats wrong with the world now not enough good examples of sound moral characters.
What do you mean how many meetings would happen? As many as need be until people learn how to work together to reach a common ground. And that’s what we should be teaching children.
Oh please. It’s not about what media presents to us regarding this post. It’s about that meeting, that video we watched, those angry parents and their rude behavior. Let’s stick with what I meant with my response. I can, can you?
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2 hours ago, Weetywill said:
Okay I get it. You think conservative parents are evil radicalized zealots victims of right wing rhetoric that is bestowed on them through any conservative media and have no interest in discussing the topic. Just alluding to the parents behaving badly. Perhaps you should start a new thread about your emotions and are offended by these parents and conservatives in general?
Do you consider all the media you take in tends to highlight the bad behavior and report it the most?
How many of these meeting happen where the parents do not behave badly? Have you been to these meetings? I have and although it became heated at times, there was not bad behavior from the parents or the committee. Most people behave respectfully but the media doesn't report that.
Hahaha... you were trying to be funny with that hyperbole, right? This thread is about recent incidents at school board meetings. Those aggressive and angry people were conservative, not liberal.
Were there liberal parents protesting about books at school meetings somewhere?
Of course the media reports on bad behavior...derp... are we supposed to ignore aggressive behavior of conservatives until it's balanced by a liberal?
Perhaps parents and some Repinlicans do not agree with teaching race etc in a way that has several similarities of CRT, a class in university law school and is a theory. It is in university because it requires a developmental mind set to see it for what it is and process it correctly. Children's minds are not developed enough for that. Children usually do not associate with eachother in the confines of race or gender. Presenting CRT type ideas to children can cause issues of inferiority, shame and animosity if not delivered correctly.
This is in no way saying that we do not teach children the history of racism etc. I think the primary issue is how it is being taught. Also I know that the actual CRT course is not being delivered in schools, as it is in law schools. However as in another post I was informed, in so many words,you don't have to check all the boxes of fascism to have fascist like ideas and values. (Paraphrased).
Also, if parents object to the way in which the schools are delivering race education, then they can vote on the school committee and for the side in which their values align or in our regular elections. If the people do not agree with the conservatives running this topic in their campaigns, then they can vote them out. However if the majority of the people do agree, they can vote them in. The people decide through their votes. Democracy!
What exactly about how it is being taught bothers you? Just curious
If you’ve noticed what most of the print/media is trying to tell you, and what most of the posters on here are posting about is the deliberate banning of books written about the effects, experience, and continuation of racism in the US. Why are you trying to erase an entire people’s history.
Perhaps simply communicating and collaborating with eachother can quell these hysterical fears?
I have no hysterical fears and there does come a time to end a discussion when all has been said. Like I've said I considered what you've communicated.
“Our seventh graders are 12-year-olds. Our 12-year-olds should be innocent children. They should not be exposed to this material,” said Kathleen Brown of Valrico, who noted she does not have children in the age groups.
Opponents argued that the material should be about health education, not sex, yet the lessons do not adhere to science because they state that gender is on a spectrum.
“That is completely false,” said speaker Cody Powell. “Gender is not on a spectrum like autism. There are two genders, male and female.”
Many doctors disagree. In a 2018 statement, the American Academy of Pediatrics expressed strong support for transgender and gender-diverse youth, noting the latter term “is used to acknowledge and include the vast diversity of gender identities that exists.”
Others at Thursday’s hearing challenged the use of detailed drawings of genitals, paired with lessons to have mixed groups discuss them.
To piggyback off a similar situation parents are bit upset over sex education.
Apparently 12 years olds are too innocent to learn about their bodies. Also in a time when it's shown that more and more children are having gender identify issues and questions they are too innocent to learn about it.
I thought boomers and gen x were a bit overprotective in raising their kids, but millennial parents are a bit much here in Florida.
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I was replying to your post with references to race and CRT above. This was in your post:
"Most of the books relate to race or gender equality, at a time when some Republicans are mounting an effort to prevent teaching on race in schools by launching a loud campaign against critical race theory, an academic discipline that examines the ways in which racism operates in US laws and society."
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