The use of such rhetoric, opponents of the new laws argue, underscores a nationwide push by conservatives to make education a political wedge issue by equating certain teaching materials and educators with Mediaography and even pedophilia. This latest trend is another volley in the country’s ongoing culture wars, during which conservative lawmakers also have opposed the teaching of “critical race theory” and proposed bills requiring schools to post all course materials online so parents can review them.
I think this is just another example of conservative Americans getting agitated by right wing rhetoric and propaganda.
Here's a video compilation and represention of how emotional and aggressive these agitated people are.
Here is a list of books under fire from conservatives. Does anyone know of any other compilation of those titles?
Okay then. No, I do not ignore anything. Yes. Conservatives are evil and liberals are as pure as the driven snow. Nothing they do is as bad as conservatives. You really should start another thread dedicated to bad conservative behavior, I think you'll enjoy it!
What are you, seven years old? A liberal disagrees with you and this is your response? It reminds me of the self-described conservative on this site who asserted that she was disrespected because liberals disagreed with her.
Welcome to my ignore list. I graduated from elementary school over half a century ago and don’t care to go back.
At the end of the meeting, the "Bible thumpers" walked away with a better understanding of what the LGBTQ community really is. Not the hyper inflamed crap you see in media. Likewise, the LGBTQ people walked away understanding that it's possible for people to have certain beliefs and be respectful at the same time. It went really well. We now have a coffee meeting x2 per month. Religious people and LGBTQ people. We have made friends because we saw eachother as human beings, not political opponents.
First of all it's not "hyper inflamed crap you see in media". It's a real thing that many of of gay people have lived. Have you ever been fired from a job, spit on, called an abomination, asked to leave a Church? There are still many gay people suffering from the vile spewed from pulpits. However, I do know many gay Christians and many good Christians.
For the most part in 2022 gay people co-exist pretty well with others.
This is one reason why it's important for gay people to have visibility, to come out so that people that are told we are abominations can see us. They can say "hey, that's my co-worker/son/daughter/friend they are talking about".
This is why I feel it's so important to allow books in libraries where children can learn we exist so they can grow up accepting of the big and greater world out there. It's not grooming. It's teaching understanding and acceptance.
We hear from the Christian-cisgendered-heteronormative point of view our whole lives and that is not reflective of the society we live in because there are others.
Thanks for helping WW out. He seems to want to make claims and accusations without offering any actual evidence or facts. He has yet to provide one example of that which he accused me of ignoring.
The reality is that there aren't liberal parents or community members loudly protesting at school board meetings to have literature removed from schools, regardless of how WW feels about it. He seems to want to conflate any loud protest with the nonsense forwarded by angry conservatives at school board meetings... some protests are founded in ugly facts while others are just founded in agitated animus. For instance...millions loudly protested a policing system that slowly murdered an unarmed black man, on the street in the full view of onlookers... ugly facts. The next January thousands loudly protested beliefs based upon a lie about election fraud and attacked our Capitolin an attempt to stop the transfer of power. Now we're talking about similarly agitated conservatives at school board meetings also loudly animated by lies and/or misrepresentations... this time about books.
WW ought to be able to back up his claims that I'm ignoring something by providing evidence of that something that he insists that I'm ignoring. Where are the loud and angry liberals demanding something from school board members? I suggest that WW is making a false equivalence.
No TMB, Tweety "helped out" allot of people, not just me. He presents himself grounded in his beliefs but also willing to have a respectful discussion with people he may never agree with fully. He has integrity and I very much enjoy hearing what he has to say.
First of all it's not "hyper inflamed crap you see in media". It's a real thing that many of of gay people have lived. Have you ever been fired from a job, spit on, called an abomination, asked to leave a Church? There are still many gay people suffering from the vile spewed from pulpits. However, I do know many gay Christians and many good Christians.
For the most part in 2022 gay people co-exist pretty well with others.
This is one reason why it's important for gay people to have visibility, to come out so that people that are told we are abominations can see us. They can say "hey, that's my co-worker/son/daughter/friend they are talking about".
This is why I feel it's so important to allow books in libraries where children can learn we exist so they can grow up accepting of the big and greater world out there. It's not grooming. It's teaching understanding and acceptance.
We hear from the Christian-cisgendered-heteronormative point of view our whole lives and that is not reflective of the society we live in because there are others.
I'm happy your meeting went well.
Okay fair enough. I wasn't discounting anyone's lived experiences. The content is hyperinflated by how it is presented and how nothing else is presented. Far more people respect LGBTQ than don't but the media doesn't represent that. (Not saying in anyway it is okay or acceptable).
I take no issues with books that are child appropriate, even material that is LBGTQ. I agree, media does present LGBTQ some how associated with grooming and perverted and conservative parents as bible crazy tyrants. The way to overcome this is small steps like in my meeting and with you on here.
What are you, seven years old? A liberal disagrees with you and this is your response? It reminds me of the self-described conservative on this site who asserted that she was disrespected because liberals disagreed with her.
Welcome to my ignore list. I graduated from elementary school over half a century ago and don’t care to go back.
No I am not but that's as far as the discussion was going with the particular member. Feel free to ignore me, actually, please do! I promise not to claim I'm a "victim".
Use of hyperbole isn't really a good way to have a discussion and get taken seriously. Start your own stupid thread, you are the one that seems to want to make those kind of overly broad statements. You "think" quite a few things that don't appear to have basis in facts or evidence... what you think about me, however, isn't a topic for discussion or relevant in any way.
Perfect. What you think about me, my political affiliation and/or media I consume. Use of hyperbole hey?
Like the use of made up words, "Magaphiles" that's sounds like pedophile and "sycophant" that sounds like phyco, then claim its only used for accuracy? Not at all to be derogatory?
Facts and evidence? It's a fact the Magaphile is a made up word found in no dictionary. (From another thread).
It's a fact that all those parents at that committee were NOT all conservatives. There is a high Muslim population in Deerborn, they werev there too. Considering we like to make assumptions, mostly you, I would assume that the majority if Musliums do not vote republican. But you left that "fact" out didn't you? With your use of a cherry picked video without full contexts to express your own feelings you have about conservatives. (Nobody feels like a victim here, just to clarify).
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
36 minutes ago, Weetywill said:
No TMB, Tweety "helped out" allot of people, not just me. He presents himself grounded in his beliefs but also willing to have a respectful discussion with people he may never agree with fully. He has integrity and I very much enjoy hearing what he has to say.
That's nice.
Now maybe, like Tweety, you can support your claims and beliefs with citations.
13 minutes ago, Weetywill said:
Perfect. What you think about me, my political affiliation and/or media I consume. Use of hyperbole hey?
Like the use of made up words, "Magaphiles" that's sounds like pedophile and "sycophant" that sounds like phyco, then claim its only used for accuracy? Not at all to be derogatory?
Facts and evidence? It's a fact the Magaphile is a made up word found in no dictionary. (From another thread).
It's a fact that all those parents at that committee were NOT all conservatives. There is a high Muslim population in Deerborn, they werev there too. Considering we like to make assumptions, mostly you, I would assume that the majority if Musliums do not vote republican. But you left that "fact" out didn't you? With your use of a cherry picked video without full contexts to express your own feelings you have about conservatives. (Nobody feels like a victim here, just to clarify).
My family members at the Dearborn meeting are Muslim and identify as a social and political conservatives. You are welcome to continue making crazy assumptions but it really doesn't create a good look for you.
Yes, you attempt to use childish hyperbole to make points and it doesn't reflect well upon your ability to communicate clearly or in good faith. Maybe you didn't participate in debate exercises in high school or college.
Your beliefs and feelings about the meaning of the suffix 'phile' or the word 'sycophant' is simply a reflection upon you and your language skills... nothing more.
The video pretty clearly showed that not all of the participants were conservative so I'm not certain what you claim that I cherry picked. I'd ask you to clarify or provide examples but so far you aren't willing to do anything except offer your disagreement in the form of unsubstantiated opinion.
You may not feel like a victim but Trump definitely wants us to believe that he's a victim and he definitely told his rally goers that they were all victims...apparently you weren't aware of that Trumpian detail.
Sycophant is not a made-up word. It is rather commonly used. It is found in the online Merriam-Webster dictionary. It is derived from Greek, meaning fig revealer. In ancient Greek, it meant slanderer. Today it means a servile, self-seeking flatterer.
In watching Mike Pence on Meet the Press this morning, he embodies sycophant, as he did throughout the last administration.
Thank you for bringing this out. Unfortunately, as long as what is being presented are edited clips we won't know.
Which brought this from you, with my responses:
2 hours ago, chare said:
2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:
Only one side of the discussion has brought any video clips of evidence of any kind... the opposing viewpoint seems to be based based upon feelings, fears and beliefs...but supporting documentation could be offered. ...
[...]
No, I'm not going to. I believe you posted video regarding this, and if memory serves me it was an edited video from The Young Turks; hardly a non-biased source. This highlights my post that, absent unedited video, it is difficult to make an informed decision.
2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:
... Can you find any recent reporting of liberal parents disrupting school board meetings because of their grievances about books or "grooming" of children? In 2020 and 2021 was it angry liberal parents shouting their opposition to masks and vaccines in school board meetings?
Please feel free to show me other evidence that this is a "both sides" phenomenon.
No, I won't. My comment regarded heavily edited video and the ability to make an informed decision. Would you be so kind as to explain how you came to this?
And then this:
1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:
Yep... it was a TYT video... I never made claims about bias and you are free to offer up video or reporting which shows the video in question to be falsely depicting the events. Do you know anyone who was in that Dearborn school board meeting? I do. My informed decision is supported by the video but the video didn't serve to inform my opinion... it simply provides visual evidence to support my point.
[...]
You don't have to make claims about bias, it's clearly obvious from your posts. Nor did I claim that the information in your posted video was false; I claimed that it was heavily edited to demonstrate the points that The Young Turks wanted.
1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:
[...]
You are engaging in suggesting that there is evidence somewhere that this disruptive, angry and agitated behavior demonstrated by conservative community members at school board meetings occurs equally across the political spectrum. You are suggesting that somehow or somewhere there is equity in that angry behavior, right? Isn't that why you celebrated the notion that maybe liberals somewhere were also engaging in agitated presentations to school boards requesting that books be restricted? Show me some evidence to support that belief.
[...]
I don't believe I suggested anything regarding the behavior of either side, nor that there was any equity in anyone's behavior. As I didn't "celebrate" the notion that "liberals somewhere were also engaging in agitated presentations to school boards requesting that books be restricted" I don't feel obligated to provide any evidence.
And, as far as evidence goes, I believe if I've made a claim, I've provided a source. I will apologize for this statement if you can show me where I have failed to do this.
1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:
[...]
I get that you don't like TYT... that shouldn't prevent you from providing something that gives credence to your beliefs about liberals disrupting school board meetings.
Again, as I've not made any claims, I'm not obligated to provide anything "that gives credence to [my] beliefs about liberals disrupting school board meetings."
Once again I ask, rather than questioning a simple post and demanding I support and source anything you seem to think I've said, please explain how you came to any of these conclusion.
Perhaps you should heed the advice you gave another member here.
No, I'm not going to. I believe you posted video regarding this, and if memory serves me it was an edited video from The Young Turks; hardly a non-biased source. This highlights my post that, absent unedited video, it is difficult to make an informed decision.
No, I won't. My comment regarded heavily edited video and the ability to make an informed decision. Would you be so kind as to explain how you came to this?
It doesn't make any difference what web site it's on. Res ipsa loquitor.
Now maybe, like Tweety, you can support your claims and beliefs with citations.
My family members at the Dearborn meeting are Muslim and identify as a social and political conservatives. You are welcome to continue making crazy assumptions but it really doesn't create a good look for you.
Yes, you attempt to use childish hyperbole to make points and it doesn't reflect well upon your ability to communicate clearly or in good faith. Maybe you didn't participate in debate exercises in high school or college.
Your beliefs and feelings about the meaning of the suffix 'phile' or the word 'sycophant' is simply a reflection upon you and your language skills... nothing more.
The video pretty clearly showed that not all of the participants were conservative so I'm not certain what you claim that I cherry picked. I'd ask you to clarify or provide examples but so far you aren't willing to do anything except offer your disagreement in the form of unsubstantiated opinion.
You may not feel like a victim but Trump definitely wants us to believe that he's a victim and he definitely told his rally goers that they were all victims...apparently you weren't aware of that Trumpian detail.
This isn't about Trump. There's an entire thread for that. Nobody referenced him at all and he has nothing to do with this........
You asked me to clarify with examples of you ignoring things. I said look up your own posts. There's the examples.
Where are the examples I asked about being a victim? I'm not a victim, I don't feel like one period. It's really strange you keep saying that.
The proof of your bias is above with this sentence,
"The video pretty clearly showed that not all of the participants were conservative so I'm not certain what you claim that I cherry picked....".
Yet all you have spoken about is conservatives behavior where you just acknowledged not all are and it's obvious. So there's your citation on your own words.
You don't have to make claims about bias, it's clearly obvious from your posts. Nor did I claim that the information in your posted video was false; I claimed that it was heavily edited to demonstrate the points that The Young Turks wanted.
I don't believe I suggested anything regarding the behavior of either side, nor that there was any equity in anyone's behavior. As I didn't "celebrate" the notion that "liberals somewhere were also engaging in agitated presentations to school boards requesting that books be restricted" I don't feel obligated to provide any evidence.
And, as far as evidence goes, I believe if I've made a claim, I've provided a source. I will apologize for this statement if you can show me where I have failed to do this.
Again, as I've not made any claims, I'm not obligated to provide anything "that gives credence to [my] beliefs about liberals disrupting school board meetings."
Once again I ask, rather than questioning a simple post and demanding I support and source anything you seem to think I've said, please explain how you came to any of these conclusion.
Perhaps you should heed the advice you gave another member here.
I didn't make claims of liberals disrupting school board meeting either. Seems to be stuck on it.
Evidence of his bias is within his own words and post style. Why do we have to prove it? It's already there. I'm sure some will valiantly disagree but being new here, the blatant bias is obvious to me. And bias beyond what everyone naturally has.
heron, ASN, RN
4,664 Posts
What are you, seven years old? A liberal disagrees with you and this is your response? It reminds me of the self-described conservative on this site who asserted that she was disrespected because liberals disagreed with her.
Welcome to my ignore list. I graduated from elementary school over half a century ago and don’t care to go back.