Per policy, I am not allowed to give an opinion on whether to COVID vaccinate

[FolksBtrippin]

This is a new job. I’m a nurse manager for children’s group homes and we are told we can’t give an opinion on whether or not parents should consent to vaccinate their children. We can educate but not give an opinion. 

When I educate you, you’re probably going to infer my opinion.

Am I making a big deal out of nothing?

I think nurses should encourage vaccination.  I’m annoyed.

Please share your experience. 

[DeeAngel]

I would have quit on the spot, literally.  I have abandoned nursing due to the corporate nonsense and the willfull controlling every aspect of the staff.

bye.

[Tenebrae, BSN, RN]

Are you still allowed to provide education about the vaccine?

With several sane and rational resources behind you, conversation could go along the lines of 'research from X place shows point A, point B, and point C"

I think its bollicks personally sometimes its more important to find a good work around

[Tenebrae, BSN, RN]

On 8/16/2021 at 2:41 AM, Alex Kowalcyk said:

 

I read somewhere about how someone had written how a study about thecovid vaccine was flawwed because there were no documented long term side effects.....

paracetamol if taken in excess can cause liver failure

Ibuprofen can cause gastric bleeding

Heck too much iron can cause severe brain and liver damage 

 

Side effect lists are exactly that, a list of every possible thing that someone has either experienced, or could experience. Posting a list like this without context is at best, fearmongering, at worst clinically irresponsible

[Guest219794]

To the OP-

Your opinion is irrelevant, and should be.  

I I don't think this is anything new.  In the ER, I regularly do things that, in my opinion, are dumb.  I give IV fluid because a patient says they are dehydrated, I give parenteral meds when PO are equally effective, etc...  I do this a lot.

In these cases, my opinion is actually formed based on evidence, and my opinion is consistent with the view of experts.  Even so, it is not my job to offer my opinion.  My opinion is irrelevant.

Our job is to educate, and in the medical world that means sharing the consensus view of experts.

 

[Orca, ADN, ASN, RN]

On 8/13/2021 at 5:18 PM, FolksBtrippin said:

Vaccines do not require an order in any state. That’s why we can open vaccine clinics and give vaccines to hundreds of people a day with no doctor anywhere. 

I can walk in to my neighborhood pharmacy and tell them that I want vaccine X or Y, I fill out the consent paper, then they draw it up and inject it. No medical practitioner anywhere around. The vast majority are covered by my health insurance.

[jive turkey]

12 minutes ago, Orca said:

I can walk in to my neighborhood pharmacy and tell them that I want vaccine X or Y, I fill out the consent paper, then they draw it up and inject it. No medical practitioner anywhere around. The vast majority are covered by my health insurance.

There's a pharmacist at the pharmacy. Aside from/in addition to pharmacies with NPs, That's your medical practitioner in that setting.

It was previously argued nurses (who aren't advanced practice nurses)can administer vaccines at their own volition without any orders or protocol. It may have been misunderstood that a doctor had to be standing right there to say "yes give that vaccine".

 

[anewsns]

Just list the risks and benefits and answer follow up questions. Then let them decide if the benefits outweigh the risks, even if its very obvious. 

[feelix, RN]

That will prevent you being blamed if B. Gates watches their kids change clothes, via the chip.

Note, I used only the first initial to avoid litigation.

[toomuchbaloney]

1 hour ago, feelix said:

That will prevent you being blamed if B. Gates watches their kids change clothes, via the chip.

Note, I used only the first initial to avoid litigation.

This was sarcasm, right? Deeply sarcastic I can only hope. 

[chare]

On 8/20/2021 at 4:40 PM, jive turkey said:

On 8/20/2021 at 4:22 PM, Orca said:

I can walk in to my neighborhood pharmacy and tell them that I want vaccine X or Y, I fill out the consent paper, then they draw it up and inject it. No medical practitioner anywhere around. The vast majority are covered by my health insurance.

There's a pharmacist at the pharmacy. Aside from/in addition to pharmacies with NPs, That's your medical practitioner in that setting.

"Every state allows pharmacists to administer immunizations, but laws vary widely in the details surrounding that authorization. There are three main categories to consider when looking at pharmacists’ vaccination authority by state:

1. Which vaccines can be administered: Can pharmacists administer all FDA-approved vaccines, CDC/ACIP-recommended vaccines, or only vaccines specifically listed in statute?
2. Who prescribes the vaccine for a patient: The pharmacist (independent authority) or another healthcare provider via protocol or prescription (dependent authority)?
3. What patient can receive a vaccine from a pharmacist: Are there age ranges or other limits in place, and are they the same for all vaccines the pharmacist is allowed to administer, or does it vary depending on the vaccine?"

Pharmacist Immunization Authority

[Jeckrn1, ADN, BSN]

If you give your opinion it could be taken as you are practicing medicine outside of your scope of practice. 

[jive turkey]

2 hours ago, chare said:

"Every state allows pharmacists to administer immunizations, but laws vary widely in the details surrounding that authorization. There are three main categories to consider when looking at pharmacists’ vaccination authority by state:

1. Which vaccines can be administered: Can pharmacists administer all FDA-approved vaccines, CDC/ACIP-recommended vaccines, or only vaccines specifically listed in statute?
2. Who prescribes the vaccine for a patient: The pharmacist (independent authority) or another healthcare provider via protocol or prescription (dependent authority)?
3. What patient can receive a vaccine from a pharmacist: Are there age ranges or other limits in place, and are they the same for all vaccines the pharmacist is allowed to administer, or does it vary depending on the vaccine?"

Pharmacist Immunization Authority

Thank you!