Today, there is an article posted on how 22,000 nurses are taking a stand against mandatory vaccination. These nurses are willing to lose their jobs to stand up for their Pro-choice rights. I have included the link below so you can read the article for yourself. Learn more about NAMV (Nurses Against Mandatory Vaccines)
NAMV was founded when mandatory vaccines were introduced in the workplace, and though it is not pro-vaccine OR anti-vaccine, it is certainly pro-CHOICE. NAMV members believe that all people should have the right to choose and refuse medical treatment, including nurses and healthcare workers.
I don't care if someone is pro- or anti- vaccine. It is a personal decision.
I fully support the right to decline any medical treatment and oppose any government mandated mass vaccination.
They have every right to believe Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey over medical professionals who actually know what they are talking about. They do not, however, have the right to work in the medical profession if they don't get that flu shot. As simple as that.
Look, I am a small government conservative (which sounds funny for a Dominican living in Puerto Rico). But some lines are just common sense. We pasteurize milk to prevent the spread of disease. We should vaccinate nurses to present the spread of disease. Period.
We learned these things the hard way, people. Nurses used to be known as carriers of disease for a reason.
They have every right to believe Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey over medical professionals who actually know what they are talking about. They do not, however, have the right to work in the medical profession if they don't get that flu shot. As simple as that.
Look, I am a small government conservative (which sounds funny for a Dominican living in Puerto Rico). But some lines are just common sense. We pasteurize milk to prevent the spread of disease. We should vaccinate nurses to present the spread of disease. Period.
We learned these things the hard way, people. Nurses used to be known as carriers of disease for a reason.
So very well said- I wanted to respond to PP but I don't think anymore needs to be added to what you have so eloquently stated.
I'm a vaccine advocate for the ones that have eliminated chronic disease. MMR, TDaP, Hep series, Etc. I think a lot of the madatory vaccine use stems from the Flu vaccine and not the others. I've never had any reservations about the prior listed vaccines but I have had some about the flu vaccine. The data provided in Cochrane is weak at best. While it does provide some protection (against the 4 strains), it does not stop transmission of the virus from one person to another. It can shorten the symptoms and in some cases completely prevent symptoms in the host but does this type of data suggest that we innoculate everyone each year? If everyone does not receive the vaccine, what good is it? I remember working during the h1n1 scare in the ER. The year after, there was NO mention of mandatory flu shots, even after the huge flu season. As soon as obamacare hits, all of a sudden I'm required to get a flu shot, of which I had never had prior in my 30 years of existence. Why now? What change? Money, thats what.
Again I'm all for the shots you get as a child but the flu vaccine just isnt adding up.
For the record, I did get my flu shot this year because my employer required me to do so.
I don't care if someone is pro- or anti- vaccine. It is a personal decision.
I fully support the right to decline any medical treatment and oppose any government mandated mass vaccination.
This has nothing to do with my personal philosophy about the Flu vaccine. That is not the issue that needs to be debated. We should be debating our personal freedom as citizens and humans to choose what we accept into our bodies.
What if the government decided that government funding for financial support to people with disabilities was just not something it wants to support? What if mandatory genetic testing for all pregnant women was instated? What if the genetic makeup of your child dictated the amount of medical care the government is willing to pay for?
Yes, these are stretches of the imagination, but stranger things have happened and not that long ago. Tuskegee, Henrietta Lacks, Guatemala experiments in the 1940s, Willowbrook experiments in the 1960s...
No one is talking about the government mandating vaccines. It is individual, private employers who are doing so. Just as individuals have the right to decline the vaccine, employers have the right to decide what they consider appropriate conditions and requirements of employment, as long as they are not violating state or Federal employment or equal opportunity laws.
Employers are free to make vaccination a condition of employment. Individuals who object to that are free to work for employers who don't require vaccination. Has nothing to do with the government ...
Last summer, I gave a presentation about technology dependent children in the home environment. As part of the introduction, i show a slide of a 1940's iron lung ward. A young RN in the back of the room raised her hand and asked what an iron lung was.
So will they bar all visitors and vendors from the hospital who are not vaccinated as well ? If not then give it a rest. I am an employee, not a piece of property.
So will they bar all visitors and vendors from the hospital who are not vaccinated as well ? If not then give it a rest. I am an employee, not a piece of property.
There are hospitals that actually do that. The needs of a pt exceed your needs- and that's what hospitals practice. You cannot potentially cause direct harm to a pt bc you don't want to vaccinate against diseases and illnesses. These hospitals are privately owned, they can dictate whatever they want as long as compliant with federal law. If you don't want to vaccinate then you are free to work somewhere that doesn't require vaccination. These hospitals are under no obligation to conform to your personal beliefs- they do what is best for patients.
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So will they bar all visitors and vendors from the hospital who are not vaccinated as well ? If not then give it a rest. I am an employee, not a piece of property.
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Nurses Against Mandatory Vaccines? Wanting their privacy protected? And for people who are so "pro-choice" they don't respect their patients' right to choose their caregivers. Gosh, let's start a group called Nurses Against Mandatory Handwashing.
My argument about the whole vaccine issue is about this asinine policy that I see requiring non-vaccinated nurses to wear a mask between certain dates somewhere around flu season. This is a completely useless endeavor for a few reasons. One being that it is possible to get influenza all year round and the vaccine is not a foolproof defense against getting the flu. Two, I see most of those required to wear the masks with the thing dangling around their neck, shoved under the chin or if its over the mouth, their nose is sticking out, all of which makes it useless to even have. Also, after a certain amount of time (i think it's something like 20 minutes, but not sure) of breathing through the thing, it's barrier properties are nonexistent anyhow. I also want to know how many wearers change it every 20 minutes or in between patients. It almost functions as a scarlet letter that shouts "i didn't have a flu vaccine." Whatever facilities want to have whatever policy is fine (no vaccine, no work, OK then), but calling out those who choose to not vaccinate for the flu, for whatever reason is wrong.
My argument about the whole vaccine issue is about this asinine policy that I see requiring non-vaccinated nurses to wear a mask between certain dates somewhere around flu season. This is a completely useless endeavor for a few reasons. One being that it is possible to get influenza all year round and the vaccine is not a foolproof defense against getting the flu. Two, I see most of those required to wear the masks with the thing dangling around their neck, shoved under the chin or if its over the mouth, their nose is sticking out, all of which makes it useless to even have. Also, after a certain amount of time (i think it's something like 20 minutes, but not sure) of breathing through the thing, it's barrier properties are nonexistent anyhow. I also want to know how many wearers change it every 20 minutes or in between patients. It almost functions as a scarlet letter that shouts "i didn't have a flu vaccine." Whatever facilities want to have whatever policy is fine (no vaccine, no work, OK then), but calling out those who choose to not vaccinate for the flu, for whatever reason is wrong.
How is it ok, for nurses who refuse to vaccinate, to be able to spread potentially deadly illnesses to the vulnerable population? If I have family members in that vulnerable population hospitalized, and they contract a preventable illness from a non vaccinated nurse that then causes further complications or even death, I would sue that hospital for negligence. Your privacy as a nurse should not be protected in an institution that promises their providers will do no harm.
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They have every right to believe Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey over medical professionals who actually know what they are talking about. They do not, however, have the right to work in the medical profession if they don't get that flu shot. As simple as that.
Look, I am a small government conservative (which sounds funny for a Dominican living in Puerto Rico). But some lines are just common sense. We pasteurize milk to prevent the spread of disease. We should vaccinate nurses to present the spread of disease. Period.
We learned these things the hard way, people. Nurses used to be known as carriers of disease for a reason.