Nurses Eating Their Young- A Different Perspective

We all have heard it before. Nurses eat their young. We all have complained about it and people tell us "oh no, don't do that." Simple fact is that it happens, and I will try to explain to you why it does happen and why it is not always a bad thing.

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Nurses eat their young. It happens and people complain about it like it is a bad thing. It may be in your eyes if you are the one being eaten, but in my eyes I am going to eat you alive and spit out your bones into something that resembles a nurse. You are entering the cauldron of fire, so expect to get singed.

That above statement is already setting some of you on edge. I understand that and I accept that. I felt the same way at first, but as the years have passed by I have learned why we do it and more importantly, the reason. Let me explain to you why in a way that is not nursing.

Imagine if you are a soldier ... Lets take it from there

  1. Patient = fire team
  2. Pilot = Nurse Practitioner
  3. Officers = management
  4. Your squad mates = your fellow nurses with more experience
  5. Enemy = death
  6. MD = (sometimes the enemy) a fellow service member form another branch

You enlisted in the service, you passed basic training (nursing school) and now you are ready to join your unit. ( I know I skipped AIT, for those military among us) You show up on the bus all excited and happy to be chosen for this special unit. It is everything you wanted, it is just where you wanted to be. Great, happy to have you aboard, now get out the salt and pepper, or maybe the opposite is true. You do not want to be here, but rather this is the only place you could get to right now.

Fine, get out the salt and pepper

Be prepared to be eaten. I am your new squad Sargent. I am there to help you get acclimated to the unit and the patrols as FAST AS I CAN. You show up in your new shiny uniforms, new boots and the new weapons (ie: stethoscope, tablet, etc) and look around you and see the older squad mates' uniforms are faded, they may even be a bit tattered, our combat boots may not be shiny, heck they may even be a bit soiled. But you know what, to us your uniform looks uncomfortable on you and those ugly boots we are wearing, they are like a second skin to us and those new ones you got are going to blister your feet. We accept that and realize that with age your boots are going to get broken in and your uniform will fade. Just don't point out to us how yours is better or newer. New does not always mean better, sometimes our weapons that you think are old and stupid are the ones that never fail in combat. You start out like that and I will eat you so hard right there that you will wish you were never born. Your old Drill instructors (nursing instructors) have nothing on me in making you feel small if I choose to.

I introduce you to your squad mates and I show you around

I know you are new and do not know where everything is, but LISTEN to me when I am talking to you and pointing things out. I know it is a lot of information to digest, but it may save your life and your fire mission's life if you listen. I expect you to ask me questions, but think about the question first. Did I already answer it? Did I not just show you where the supply tent was? Did I not point out where to keep your gear? Did I not show you how to reload your gun or program in the fire coordinates on the fire control computer? I probably did and if you keep asking I am going to start to wonder about you and think maybe you are going to get me killed or the fire team killed.

Time for your first patrol

The officers come by and gives us our mission. We need to work as a team to complete it, there are no Rambos in our unit. Accept the mission, I will be there to help guide you and keep you alive, for now. I do not want the fire mission to fail at all costs. When I feel you are strong enough to do more of the mission on your own, I am going to let you, whether you think you are not.

So now we go into the field for combat against the enemy. I know you learned all these supposedly fancy new ways of combating them, but the enemy doesn't always react the way you were taught it would. Things are different in the field, than in the classroom. Don't tell me how to do something unless I am asking you how it is done the new way. Listen to me how to set up an ambush. I have been fighting these battles many years and I am still alive. Don't look above at the pilots flying around doing their thing while we are in the trenches and say you would rather be there. It takes time to learn to fly, and I skin you and filet you alive if you think you are better than the rest of your squad mates. If you express an interest in learning to fly, I will be happy to help you get to the point you can learn to fly. I want all my squad mates to succeed, because the fire mission will then succeed.

I am going to jump on you during the training I give you, I am going to eat you up, I am going to speak bad of you, I am going to report on you to the officers. I will make your life miserable for a while. I may not let you take lunch with your buddies from basic who are now in an another unit in your command. They may have their own mission to conduct, or our mission is going badly. Sometimes I may make you work extra hard helping another soldier out, who is up to their butt in crocodiles. I am also going to praise you when you need it, but don't count on it very often. I am going to ride your butt so hard, you are going to wonder why you even enlisted. You are going to think I am unfair, that I am trying to get you killed, that I am giving you too big of missions at times, but know this. AT ALL COSTS THE FIRE TEAM MUST DO THEIR BEST! Sometimes we don't win all the battles and death does come for the mission. we accept that and expect you to accept it and pick yourself up and carry on soldier. The time to grieve is later in private when it fails, but know this; we old eat their young and are also grieving about the loss, but realize there are other missions we are needed on at that moment.

My Goal

My goal in eating you up is to toughen you up so that you may lead other soldiers in combat and save the fire missions, maybe even help you get to be a pilot or an officer, which not all of us want. Some of us were previous officers but decided we liked the trenches with the blood and guts and muck better. My goal is to see you succeed and carry on our legacy and eventually replace me when I fall. Which one day I will fall and become a distant memory. Until that moment I am going to eat you up and spit out your bones into proud strong self reliant Nurse. That is why eating our young is not a bad thing.

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Specializes in cardiac, ICU, education.

As someone who has years of experience in training preceptors and a significant knowledge of how preceptees learn, I will respectfully and completely disagree with the OP. He or she has obviously never had training as a preceptor or as an educator. The worst thing you can do to someone who is trying to critically think is create a demeaning and fearful environment. There are many ways to challenge and even "push" a new nurse to learn, but "eating them alive and spitting out their bones" in hope that they will form into a nurse has got to be one of the most short-sided perspectives I have read in a while. I wish I could get this "trainer" in one of my classes.

Honestly, dont let this OP lead you to expect this environment. I don't know what hospital the OP works at, where this is the culture, but mine is NOTHING like this. There should b a pole on this OP to see how many people have actually experienced a unit like this. This is not the common-place work tensions, this type of behavior and attitude of the op is extreme. It sounds like it would be a nightmare.

I hope this is just the OP and not a common reality. Seek out a well-reputable hospital where this militant culture is NOT tolerated. I have to believe most places are not this way.

I second this. I was accepted to nursing school for the fall semester, but after reading OP's "Sure to Get Flamed" thread, seeing the supporters of that doctrine, and having several anxiety meltdowns, I decided to give up my seat in the program.

I now regret giving up my spot as I have no career prospects.

I second this. I was accepted to nursing school for the fall semester, but after reading OP's "Sure to Get Flamed" thread, seeing the supporters of that doctrine, and having several anxiety meltdowns, I decided to give up my seat in the program.

I now regret giving up my spot as I have no career prospects.

I am so sorry to hear that you gave up your spot based on warped opinions. I hope you will re-consider. You will find a lot of support on this web site for pre-nursing students, students, and new nurses. I suggest those particular forums. Please do not be discouraged, as you will find people who believe in a militaristic, disciplinarian, punitive approach in other professions besides nursing, but this is not the norm in nursing, as plenty of nurses will tell you.

In nursing and health care in general, there are supportive environments in which to work, and there are those that are unsupportive. This is true of all careers.

I have complete respect for those serving in the military, my daughter serves. I am also a new nurse (1 year). I want to learn. I want to know about my mistakes. I want things explained and I want the rationale, that is how I learn. If you want to be tough, bring it on. Feel free to hold me to high standards, that is what I want, however, I will not be treated with disrespect, publicly humiliated or be the subject of jokes. I consider that bullying and unprofessional. I was very fortunate to have an excellent preceptor and work with great nurses.

I find it ironic that the OP used military wording to describe how he treats new nurses. Military nursing it totally the opposite of this, it is not perfect but it is a far cry from the descriptions and picture the OP posted. Yes nursing is a tough job with very little room for mistakes, that is why the Army has a six month intern program for all new nurses called Clinical Nurse Transition Program- CNTP which all new nurses must go through to develop their nursing skill under the watchful eye of a preceptor. They are also required to attend monthly symposiums where they are taught, instructed and discuss evidence based nursing research, have instruction provided by hospital pharmacy, safety, nursing services, infection control and many more. Also before each group graduates they must to an EBP-evidence based practice project along with display board PPT presentation. Many of these EBP projects have been further developed and used by the Army’s medical centers as bases for a change in nursing practice. The CNTP nurses are managed by an experienced nursing manager and a nursing OIC. Each nurse has to achieve certain benchmarks in patient care competence in medical/ surgical nursing and mother baby nursing. Many nurses also do rotations in ICU, PACU, and ER. After completion of this program these same nurses still go through an orientation process once they are assigned to the floor. I can personally attest that yes these nurses are trained tough, but we do not eat our young nurses as we were accused of in the past. In fact many of the issues that arise are not about nursing but about military bearing and military matters in the development of young Army officers. So please OP just because you have the military background, please do not refer to training nurses as that of training Soldiers in a line unit. In fact, as a prior NCO before I commissioned, we never treated our new Soldiers that way when we integrated them into the unit.

Specializes in nursing education.

I am just hoping that this article is satire.

Specializes in Med/Surg, Academics.
Who hangs a foley bag on an IV pole?

This....and

....are you saying that the nurse was going to infuse the patient's own urine thru the newly-placed PIV?

Please tell me that my understanding is wrong. Please.

I second this. I was accepted to nursing school for the fall semester, but after reading OP's "Sure to Get Flamed" thread, seeing the supporters of that doctrine, and having several anxiety meltdowns, I decided to give up my seat in the program.

I now regret giving up my spot as I have no career prospects.

I'm sorry you decided to give up your spot in the nursing program after reading some of the comments. I hope you can reconsider or find something else that you like or would like to do. Not everyone is mean and bully like when training. Some people absolutely don't like training new people or having students. I actually enjoy training and questions from my students. They always would ask me when I would be working a unit again since my current job is more like a manager. Like I said in my other post, I did have nurses who were not the best trainers. And like other said that had same experiences, I did not wish to be like them. Nursing is not easy, can I think of something else I'd rather do? Not for a career.

Just like the other posting you had from June, this is a justification for treating people badly. You can get the same results by playing fair. Nursing is tough. It isn't blowing rainbows up someone's rear end and it isn't stuffing envelopes. Some people are not cut out for different specialties or for nursing in general. Being what borders on abusive doesn't do anything positive or constructive for anyone. To me, it seems like there is a desire on your part to have orientees or newer nurses "prove" themselves to you. Well, my question is who are you? I can't imagine any position that a nurse (from new grad LPN to CNO) would be in that he /she feels that there is the "right" to be downright nasty to "toughen up" or "train" other people. It isn't an old Hollywood movie where some green newbie is consumed by a need to prove him/herself to the great teacher or authority. It is this thing called real life. This is place where there are rules about discrimination, verbal abuse, and intimidation. It is the place where it costs tens of thousands of dollars to orient people who are chased away by hostile work environments. When people leave a situation where someone is being abusive, it probably isn't because they are wimpy and weak. It is because they know that in 2014, they do not have to put up with this garbage. Even if people are not directly targeted to be "eaten," they may move on to a work environment with less drama. You and your ideas don't scare me, they annoy me. I won't change your mind, nor will you change mine. I will tell you that I do not put up with this type of acting out. Over the years. I have found that attitudes like yours are hard to change. There is a lot of work that goes into the discipline process when there is abuse/bullying/ intimidation. Unfortunately, the end result is usually that the "problem" moves on after the drama has subsided and some of the "actors" have been chased away. You may think you are nurse supreme,but you really sound like a huge liability based on this posting.

Specializes in Mental Health, Gerontology, Palliative.
I second this. I was accepted to nursing school for the fall semester, but after reading OP's "Sure to Get Flamed" thread, seeing the supporters of that doctrine, and having several anxiety meltdowns, I decided to give up my seat in the program.

I now regret giving up my spot as I have no career prospects.

Is it an option to try again?I feel really sad to read this

There are alot of really brilliant nurses out there who may expect you to work hard and hand a standard of excellence however they manage to do it in such a way that the person is still able to grow into their new role with confidence, not fear

Specializes in Mental Health, Gerontology, Palliative.

Just for the record I'm not the hand holding fluffy kind of person. Throughout my 3 year degree and 2 years being out, I've had some preceptors who expected alot and expected a standard of excellence. I've gained in confidence (and hopefully knowledge). I recall the first joint meeting I had with a specialist palliative care specialist and a patient (3 months out)I didnt know how to properly explain the role, I was like "I cant tell the patient this person is here because they are considered palliatve)

A few months ago, a patient who was entering into end stage asked me if I thought they were dying. While I was inwardly thinking "holy heck how do I answer this". I was able to look the patient in the eye and say 'Mary' (name and identifying details changed to protect privacy) i think its possible that you have entered into end stage. Its hard to put it into days, I've seen some people surprise the heck out of us and gone on for almost a week more than we though, I've seen other people who have passed away very quickly'

(there is no way I thought I could ever have that conversation with anyone), also the sense of privlidge that this person trusted me enough to ask...........

And while the down right cows can have a deep impact, I think there are far more good nurses who love passing on their knowledge to others. I dont agree with people whcry persecution simply because a more senior nurse has taken them aside to quietly impart some much needed knowledge.

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.
I second this. I was accepted to nursing school for the fall semester, but after reading OP's "Sure to Get Flamed" thread, seeing the supporters of that doctrine, and having several anxiety meltdowns, I decided to give up my seat in the program.

I now regret giving up my spot as I have no career prospects.

I am sorry you gave up your seat based on an online post.....please reconsider. It really isn't that bad....((HUGS))