Nurses Eating Their Young- A Different Perspective

We all have heard it before. Nurses eat their young. We all have complained about it and people tell us "oh no, don't do that." Simple fact is that it happens, and I will try to explain to you why it does happen and why it is not always a bad thing. Nurses Announcements Archive Knowledge

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Nurses eat their young. It happens and people complain about it like it is a bad thing. It may be in your eyes if you are the one being eaten, but in my eyes I am going to eat you alive and spit out your bones into something that resembles a nurse. You are entering the cauldron of fire, so expect to get singed.

That above statement is already setting some of you on edge. I understand that and I accept that. I felt the same way at first, but as the years have passed by I have learned why we do it and more importantly, the reason. Let me explain to you why in a way that is not nursing.

Imagine if you are a soldier ... Lets take it from there

  1. Patient = fire team
  2. Pilot = Nurse Practitioner
  3. Officers = management
  4. Your squad mates = your fellow nurses with more experience
  5. Enemy = death
  6. MD = (sometimes the enemy) a fellow service member form another branch

You enlisted in the service, you passed basic training (nursing school) and now you are ready to join your unit. ( I know I skipped AIT, for those military among us) You show up on the bus all excited and happy to be chosen for this special unit. It is everything you wanted, it is just where you wanted to be. Great, happy to have you aboard, now get out the salt and pepper, or maybe the opposite is true. You do not want to be here, but rather this is the only place you could get to right now.

Fine, get out the salt and pepper

Be prepared to be eaten. I am your new squad Sargent. I am there to help you get acclimated to the unit and the patrols as FAST AS I CAN. You show up in your new shiny uniforms, new boots and the new weapons (ie: stethoscope, tablet, etc) and look around you and see the older squad mates' uniforms are faded, they may even be a bit tattered, our combat boots may not be shiny, heck they may even be a bit soiled. But you know what, to us your uniform looks uncomfortable on you and those ugly boots we are wearing, they are like a second skin to us and those new ones you got are going to blister your feet. We accept that and realize that with age your boots are going to get broken in and your uniform will fade. Just don't point out to us how yours is better or newer. New does not always mean better, sometimes our weapons that you think are old and stupid are the ones that never fail in combat. You start out like that and I will eat you so hard right there that you will wish you were never born. Your old Drill instructors (nursing instructors) have nothing on me in making you feel small if I choose to.

I introduce you to your squad mates and I show you around

I know you are new and do not know where everything is, but LISTEN to me when I am talking to you and pointing things out. I know it is a lot of information to digest, but it may save your life and your fire mission's life if you listen. I expect you to ask me questions, but think about the question first. Did I already answer it? Did I not just show you where the supply tent was? Did I not point out where to keep your gear? Did I not show you how to reload your gun or program in the fire coordinates on the fire control computer? I probably did and if you keep asking I am going to start to wonder about you and think maybe you are going to get me killed or the fire team killed.

Time for your first patrol

The officers come by and gives us our mission. We need to work as a team to complete it, there are no Rambos in our unit. Accept the mission, I will be there to help guide you and keep you alive, for now. I do not want the fire mission to fail at all costs. When I feel you are strong enough to do more of the mission on your own, I am going to let you, whether you think you are not.

So now we go into the field for combat against the enemy. I know you learned all these supposedly fancy new ways of combating them, but the enemy doesn't always react the way you were taught it would. Things are different in the field, than in the classroom. Don't tell me how to do something unless I am asking you how it is done the new way. Listen to me how to set up an ambush. I have been fighting these battles many years and I am still alive. Don't look above at the pilots flying around doing their thing while we are in the trenches and say you would rather be there. It takes time to learn to fly, and I skin you and filet you alive if you think you are better than the rest of your squad mates. If you express an interest in learning to fly, I will be happy to help you get to the point you can learn to fly. I want all my squad mates to succeed, because the fire mission will then succeed.

I am going to jump on you during the training I give you, I am going to eat you up, I am going to speak bad of you, I am going to report on you to the officers. I will make your life miserable for a while. I may not let you take lunch with your buddies from basic who are now in an another unit in your command. They may have their own mission to conduct, or our mission is going badly. Sometimes I may make you work extra hard helping another soldier out, who is up to their butt in crocodiles. I am also going to praise you when you need it, but don't count on it very often. I am going to ride your butt so hard, you are going to wonder why you even enlisted. You are going to think I am unfair, that I am trying to get you killed, that I am giving you too big of missions at times, but know this. AT ALL COSTS THE FIRE TEAM MUST DO THEIR BEST! Sometimes we don't win all the battles and death does come for the mission. we accept that and expect you to accept it and pick yourself up and carry on soldier. The time to grieve is later in private when it fails, but know this; we old eat their young and are also grieving about the loss, but realize there are other missions we are needed on at that moment.

My Goal

My goal in eating you up is to toughen you up so that you may lead other soldiers in combat and save the fire missions, maybe even help you get to be a pilot or an officer, which not all of us want. Some of us were previous officers but decided we liked the trenches with the blood and guts and muck better. My goal is to see you succeed and carry on our legacy and eventually replace me when I fall. Which one day I will fall and become a distant memory. Until that moment I am going to eat you up and spit out your bones into proud strong self reliant Nurse. That is why eating our young is not a bad thing.

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There are very few nurses that don't try to "eat their young". It's due to the competition. I think the poor preceptors outnumber the good ones.

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
There are very few nurses that don't try to "eat their young". It's due to the competition. I think the poor preceptors outnumber the good ones.

And where is your evidence for this one? Are you a nurse that eats her young? Are you a good preceptor? What about your best friend? Does she eat her young?

I know this thread is kinda old. I want to tell you, knowing youre most likely a tenured nurse in practice, that like all things in this field, this idea is too changing. While baptism by fire does teach, it is not best practice. There is a huge push away from this thinking and method. Are we taking care of real people? Yes but we also have to care for ourselves and that includes each other. I do not want to be condescending about it but I hope you can consider adopting new methods of teaching and orienting new nurses.

I can see why this style of induction is sometimes required. As a nursing student I'm in classes with some very young students barely out of their teens, who still act like middle school students at times - even 'sleeping' in class in front of instructors before things get started, they're slumped over tables. They forget items we need frequently and leave a lot to be desired when it comes to team work, a lot of talking and very little listening going on: very arrogant. I'm in my thirties and I don't school them, though it's very tempting at times - I let our grades do the talking. It is someone concerning to think of some of these students as nurses - there will be a steep learning curve for all of us, but those of us who have worked previously come knowing not to take work personally, with thicker skins and ready to take direction. I feel today's younger generation are more arrogant than ever and respect for positions of authority and elders is at an all time low. The amount of times I see lecturers interrupted middle school style - damn right they need boot camp when they get to a real hospital setting.

Specializes in HH, Peds, Rehab, Clinical.

No. Just no. You sound like an awful person.

Specializes in LTC, CPR instructor, First aid instructor..
I can see why this style of induction is sometimes required. As a nursing student I'm in classes with some very young students barely out of their teens, who still act like middle school students at times - even 'sleeping' in class in front of instructors before things get started, they're slumped over tables. They forget items we need frequently and leave a lot to be desired when it comes to team work, a lot of talking and very little listening going on: very arrogant. I'm in my thirties and I don't school them, though it's very tempting at times - I let our grades do the talking. It is someone concerning to think of some of these students as nurses - there will be a steep learning curve for all of us, but those of us who have worked previously come knowing not to take work personally, with thicker skins and ready to take direction. I feel today's younger generation are more arrogant than ever and respect for positions of authority and elders is at an all time low. The amount of times I see lecturers interrupted middle school style - damn right they need boot camp when they get to a real hospital setting.
You are correct. I had a similar experience when I was in nursing school. Only I graduated when I was 55. One student was asked to leave, some didn't even take the NCLEX, and some failed. About 1/3 of our class graduated. I was one of the graduates with an A average.
Specializes in Hospital medicine; NP precepting; staff education.
I am still a student but this is the same reason I left my ASN program and got accepted into a BSN. If my passion was the military then that is where I would have headed but I wanted to be a nurse not out into combat. I understand this "eating up and chewing out your young" maybe relevant in a ER setting or critical care maybe even a med/surg but not every aspect of nursing needs to be a drama filled tirade. I know the nursing field is now filled with second career but I have seen that the compassion in nursing is starting to dwindle. I have heard many times before "It's life or death" "the patients life is in your hand" and I totally understand that is why I love nursing but at the same time I am more likely to make a mistake in a hostile environment were I feel unsupported. I don't want anyone holding my hand I have past the stage of adolescence but I do need a guide that I don't feel threatened by. I am not the type of person that learns threw fear.

FWIW, that behavior is not tolerated in my ER, either. I precept from a Socratic perspective. I like to stimulate my preceptees to consider why and how to do things.

Specializes in ICU, trauma.

I would not benefit AT ALL from this type of learning. I am a sensitive person that easily gets my feeling hurt. I am also currently a new grad and absolutely THRIVING in the ICU. I also have a FANTASTIC preceptor who tells me on a daily that there are no stupid questions; and in turn i'm not afraid to ask. When i make mistakes, she corrects me and tells me what i did wrong, she doesn't tear me to shreds as the OP says. I feed and grow off of positive reinforcement. if i had a preceptor such as the OP...who knows if i would still be on this unit.

No, i don't need to grow a backbone and "deal" with it. I want respect from my preceptor or else i won't respect them.

Specializes in Med-Surg/ ER/ homecare.

Wow, well, in my bsn program I am currently taking a leadership and management course. I can guarantee this type of harsh behavior is frowned upon, and as someone mentioned early, bullying. Maybe the OP needs to take a leadership refresher course.

Hmmmm....not sure I agree. People I had on orientation were respectful so there was mutual respect. During nursing school, however, I do remember a "seasoned" nurse calling me out for putting down the wrapper the alcohol swab came in before I had a second to locate the trash pail and throw it away. Right there I knew what not to do when it was my turn to train a newbie.

Specializes in Emergency.

"I put one kid through college & put the other one through a wall. Gave 'em both what they needed". Lou from "back to school".

Specializes in Trauma ICU.

I had an issue with a nurse who I saw as trying to "eat" me up. It went on that way for almost a year until I realized as time went by she was friendlier to me and then out of no where we were was friends. she told me that she was hard on me because she saw the potential I had to grow. I feel I am stronger, and she and I very good friends.

I have a problem more with nurses who do nothing but try to destroy a person, I can deal with tough teachers. Let's face it this is a tough job and not everyone (your patients or your patients families, admin etc) are going to be nice to you. Different people have different teaching styles as well just like we all have different learning styles. I just hate seeing the nurses who do really eat their young by being destructive without any intent to help them or anyone for that fact. We all know the kind I am talking about because we've all worked with one. They go after the new nurses because they are easy targets. Those are the ones we have to get rid of, but tough nurses who truly care are not nurses who eat their young. They are just really the tigers and wolves of the nursing world who know that sometimes the best way to teach the young are through hard lessons of life.